Do you support female pastors?

[Kathleen]

Can you quote me them please

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I could, but sounds like you should read it for yourself so that you can learn. However I will explain to you, Paul was responding to a letter from the Corinthians, they were the ones that said women should be silent and all, Paul questioned it saying ''What? came the word of God from you?or unto you only?" 1 Corinthians 14:36. He asked what? as in what? why do you say such things? He asked if the word of God came from them, and no it didn't, then he asked did it come to men only, and no it didn't. Back in those days, women and men were separated in the church, on different sides. Because the women would ask the husband a question if they didn't know or understand something, so the division stopped that. Also the women took care of the children and babies, and if they had to get up to do so, they made noise disturbing service, which is why it says those things. Look it up sometime, it's very interesting, God bless.

 

[Arch65]

Let me just say this Clive. I wish you could prove me wrong on this issue. Because I actually believe that women should be allowed to pastor, and I personally would like to see it. However, not my will but God's will, be done. And the only place we can find God's will, is in His words, either directly, or by inspiration through His Son, or His apostles.

If we can't agree on the authority of God's Holy Scriptures in all matters, then there is little that we can agree on, pertaining to Christianity.

Though our paradigms may differ, I respect your sincerity Dave.
Thanks for your time and take care.
Clive

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[Lifelike]

Do you believe that it is biblically acceptable to have women in church teaching men in an authority position. If you do, please support your belief with scripture giving examples and make your defense of the passages which seem to be in opposition to your belief.

And please, try to keep it civil.

Yes. In about 4-5 years there will be no doubt.

 

[102088lscg]

yes i believe God called pastors to preach the word of God I also know that God deals with all of us in spirit and in truth so when God looks done at us he don't see gender or long skirts or make up! It depends on How much time you spend in his presence, getting to know him and soaking up all his glory and and allowing Him to give you wisdom and guidance! So when God who is the God of ALL speaks to a willing and open spirit and tells it to go and lead His people where he needs them to then .... I say Go! i serve an awesome God! who's thoughts is not like ANY MAN U HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE SERVE I AM !... MY OPINION!

 

[kabunju]

I clearly don't support it at all.
Based on Bible teachings, women are to keep silent in church as Paul tought in 1st Corinthians 14

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 ¶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

and in the above verse 37 he say if you think you are more spiritual than him then know women keeping silent in the church is a commandment of the Lord not of Paul.

Then in Timothy he says

I TIMOTHY 2:11
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Another reason for her not preaching was she was the one deceived and not Adam and she brought all the sin we have so God commands her not to teach or usurp authority over a man.

Besides Bishops are shepherds in other words the Greek word BISHOP is the same in English we call PASTOR and Paul also tought concerning Bishop as in 1 Timothy 3.

1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

So these is self explanatory a bishop should be a husband of one wife.
That says Pastors (shepherd of God's flock should be men (married men)

God bless you

 

[Wootie]

I feel that men should pastor in most all cases, but then I had a flash of-what if there was a group of people, such as a woman's prison, that needed a pastor but all were female. I really think that God would not want them to go without pastorial leadership due to a man not being present. So, it's my opinion that if that is the case then I think God would want a woman to be pastor.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

I just read this over at Douglas Wilson's blog and thought, if nothing else, it's funny and so I'd share it:

"Traditionalists are fighting a rear-guard action, trying to keep women out of a post that they clearly more qualified for than men are. Feelings can run high in the debate, but the debate is essentially over whether men only or women and men both should occupy the post of an essentially feminized office. If anyone has the temerity to suggest that we return to the older view of a genuinely masculine office, then both sides in the contemporary debate will stare at him aghast. And it will remain this way so long as girly-men complementarians persist in trying to keep girly women from getting their share of the effeminate action. Because of how we have been backed into a corner, the egalitarians have a real point if they were to say that exclusion of women from ministerial office is arbitrary. When we think of how the modern ministerial call is defined, it is arbitrary, but if we recognize that the Word of God not only excludes women from becoming women ministers, but also excludes men from becoming women ministers as well, we will be on the road to recovery" (Why Ministers Must Be Men, p. 43).​

On another note, I've heard a lot of talk about the fiminization of male Christianity. But I honestly don't know exactly what qualities such objectors have in mind... probably because I haven't read their books... but if I had to guess I'd say maybe it's something like the smarmy Christian radio personalities?? Any other guesses?

 

[Wootie]

Paul in the bible says women are to remain quiet in the church. Although I belong to a church that have female pastors, I think the original intent was for men to lead the congregation.

I recently heard a pastor preaching on this. Back in those day men sat on one side and women the other....there was too much noise and the women would hollar across the room to ask what was just said, thus making it more confusing and noisey. Supposedly, that's where the rule came into play so they would be quiet and listen until they got home and then the husband would reitterate anything they missed. Because didn't Mary Magdelan teach God's word?

 

[Fenix]

I have attended churches with female pastors and churches without. In all honesty it doesn't bother me either way. I would rather have a smart female pastor than a dumb male pastor. I mean I dont care what sex they are if they can teach me something.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

I have attended churches with female pastors and churches without. In all honesty it doesn't bother me either way. I would rather have a smart female pastor than a dumb male pastor. I mean I dont care what sex they are if they can teach me something.

It's not a question of whether it bothers us or whether the female is smart or whether the female has something to teach you... it's a question of whether Scripture allows it or not.

For example, let's say we are talking about instituting an elder (or overseer). Scripture says an overseer must be, among other things, the husband of one wife. In other words, if you want to be an overseer, you have to meet that qualification (among others).

Now, let's say that we go to a church which is looking for a new overseer. I suggest to you that we nominate Jones as an overseer. You object on the basis that Jones is a polygamist and is currently married to three different women. I respond "Sure, but that doesn't really bother me. I mean, after all, Jones is smart and might have something good to say." You probably wouldn't take me very seriously right? What does that matter if Scripture gives us certain qualifications and Jones fails to meet them?

This is the problem I see with a lot of the debates surrounding women pastors. They have a tendency to build their case on arguments that are irrelevant. Sure, a particular women may be smarter than some particular man, but that really is irrelevant.

 

[Fenix]

It's not a question of whether it bothers us or whether the female is smart or whether the female has something to teach you... it's a question of whether Scripture allows it or not.

For example, let's say we are talking about instituting an elder (or overseer). Scripture says an overseer must be, among other things, the husband of one wife. In other words, if you want to be an overseer, you have to meet that qualification (among others).

Now, let's say that we go to a church which is looking for a new overseer. I suggest to you that we nominate Jones as an overseer. You object on the basis that Jones is a polygamist and is currently married to three different women. I respond "Sure, but that doesn't really bother me. I mean, after all, Jones is smart and might have something good to say." You probably wouldn't take me very seriously right? What does that matter if Scripture gives us certain qualifications and Jones fails to meet them?

This is the problem I see with a lot of the debates surrounding women pastors. They have a tendency to build their case on arguments that are irrelevant. Sure, a particular women may be smarter than some particular man, but that really is irrelevant.

Then wht about the denominations that have feamle pastors? Like methodists? Personally im not methodist so i dont care just curious of your opinion on that

 

[MaggieMye]

I believe the answer is yes because Paul was speaking specifically to the church in Corinth because there was disorder. It has to be taken in context.
Also, Deborah was a JUDGE...and prophetess and those callings are higher than those of a pastor.

The Methodists have some good teachings on this...tearing down the ERRONEOUS concepts that God favors men over women in the spreading and teaching of the Gospel.

Maggie

 

[dovey]

as a woman I am going to preach a bit...Go love on somebody and seek HIS face always

 

[trust_in_the_name]

wide is the gate and broad is the way

 

[AnandaHya]

biblical example: Deborah who judged her people Israel.

God reigns, with out him we are nothing. so let God's light SHINE on the world who so desperately need love.

YouTube - God's love letter

 

[AnandaHya]

It's not a question of whether it bothers us or whether the female is smart or whether the female has something to teach you... it's a question of whether Scripture allows it or not.

For example, let's say we are talking about instituting an elder (or overseer). Scripture says an overseer must be, among other things, the husband of one wife. In other words, if you want to be an overseer, you have to meet that qualification (among others).

Now, let's say that we go to a church which is looking for a new overseer. I suggest to you that we nominate Jones as an overseer. You object on the basis that Jones is a polygamist and is currently married to three different women. I respond "Sure, but that doesn't really bother me. I mean, after all, Jones is smart and might have something good to say." You probably wouldn't take me very seriously right? What does that matter if Scripture gives us certain qualifications and Jones fails to meet them?

This is the problem I see with a lot of the debates surrounding women pastors. They have a tendency to build their case on arguments that are irrelevant. Sure, a particular women may be smarter than some particular man, but that really is irrelevant.

its not about the worthiness of women its about the unworthiness of the males in the world that are too prideful to be lead by a women. they are weak in faith. they are like the jews that Paul spoke of who are weak in faith and wanted others not to eat meat sacrificed to idols. the meat did no harm but the worshiping of the act to the idols did harm and placed a stumbling block on those who are weak in faith. therefore we must walk in love and not have woman as elders because of the weakness of men not the worthiness or lack thereof of women. they will lust after the minister and that is sin and we are not to lead men into temptation and sin so I would not feel comfortable preaching to a congregation without my husband by my side and the approval of the whole church.

 

[AnandaHya]

I clearly don't support it at all.
Based on Bible teachings, women are to keep silent in church as Paul tought in 1st Corinthians 14

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 ¶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

and in the above verse 37 he say if you think you are more spiritual than him then know women keeping silent in the church is a commandment of the Lord not of Paul.

Then in Timothy he says

I TIMOTHY 2:11
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Another reason for her not preaching was she was the one deceived and not Adam and she brought all the sin we have so God commands her not to teach or usurp authority over a man.

Besides Bishops are shepherds in other words the Greek word BISHOP is the same in English we call PASTOR and Paul also tought concerning Bishop as in 1 Timothy 3.

1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

So these is self explanatory a bishop should be a husband of one wife.
That says Pastors (shepherd of God's flock should be men (married men)

God bless you

you can continue in your father Adam's footsteps and keep casting the blame but no one forced Adam to eat. Suck it up, take responsibilities for your sins and repent before the altar of God. do not keep blaming others for your actions. YOU chose to do it just as Adam chose to sin and cast blame on Eve and Eve followed suit and cast blame.

jesus said if you have ears let them hear. if they have eyes let them see.

well hear and see this: Jesus told us that if we confess and repent we will be healed.

I see no confession of sin, no admitting of guilt in this world. We need all to confess and be restored.

YouTube - God's love letter

 

[Red33]

I believe the answer is yes because Paul was speaking specifically to the church in Corinth because there was disorder. It has to be taken in context.
Also, Deborah was a JUDGE...and prophetess and those callings are higher than those of a pastor.

The Methodists have some good teachings on this...tearing down the ERRONEOUS concepts that God favors men over women in the spreading and teaching of the Gospel.

Maggie

As much as you love God's word and would honor that word till your last breath, I can not understand why you do not honor the scriptures in this area. The scriptures that we have been given on this matter are very clear in their instructions concerning the church and those that are to preach and teach. Paul had written Timothy, who was sent to Corinth for a time as a pastor, and made it clear concerning women in the church in (1Tim 2:8-15)...

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

This was not written to Timothy for just the church at Corinth but for any church that Timothy might be sent to as a pastor/teacher. This was the teaching from Paul for all the churches and it has its roots from the beginning with Adam and the woman Eve. You might agree with what this teaches but nevertheless it is the scriptures and it is applicable in today's church. We all must be in submission to the word of God but the woman is not to usurp authority over the man in the dispensing of the word and doctrine that carries weight and authority for the church. Paul gives his reasons but many today do not like those reasons and abstain from them. This does not take away from woman ministering the gospel, teaching other women and children, sharing their portion in the body of Christ but it must be done under the headship of Christ that has made the man the head of the woman (1Cor 11:3).

 

[gospelofchrist]

In think that a female can be a pastor if she is called by God. My pastor is a female and she was called by God.
here are some women in the bible.

Miriam>Ex. 15:20
Deborah>Judges 4:4-6
Huldah>2 Kings 22:12-20
Anna>Luke 2:36-38
Philip's Daughters>Acts 21:9
Mary, w/other women>Acts 1:1

So yes I support female pastors!!!