Perhaps we could compare the divorce rates with women in countries where domestic discipline is carried out (eg middle east, asia), with divorce rates in the west?
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jimmydiggs
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You would also find that a large number of those marriages, are unhappy. If the two truly love each other, and are living life as god has instructed, what need is there for "domestic discipline", which is really a politically correct way to say "wife beating".
If I were in a marriage, I would not expect/want my partner to literally, beat me, and I would HOPE that she sees it the same way.
Beating each other up is not an element in a healthy and happy relationship.
If I were in a marriage, I would not expect/want my partner to literally, beat me, and I would HOPE that she sees it the same way.
Beating each other up is not an element in a healthy and happy relationship.
Well there is a biblical precedent for domestic discipline, where it says the husband shall rule over her (i.e. firmly) is part of the punishment of the fall (Gen 3:16).
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jimmydiggs
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According to NIV (i use an internet bible, as i do not own one)
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
Does "he will rule over you", justify domestic violence?
I think physical punishment of a spouse is unnecessary, when it is a good, healthy, happy, loving, and godly marriage.
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
Does "he will rule over you", justify domestic violence?
I think physical punishment of a spouse is unnecessary, when it is a good, healthy, happy, loving, and godly marriage.
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ShelleBelle76
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You cannot base the divorce rates on one issue singularly. There are multiple factors that would contribute to such a statistic. Come on now... you guys really never cease to amaze me.
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ShelleBelle76
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I guess we really can twist the scripture to validate anything we want, can't we?
Snail said:
I don't think that this is an argument that:
A) You are going to win.
B) Is going to give you good P.R.
I think the answer to this is the same answer I came to in the Polygamy thread. God allowed some things in the Old Testament against women because of that curse upon Eve. But, now that we are in the New Testament; Christians have given women better treatment, freedoms to slaves and rights to animals. All of that stuff has passed away in this dispensation.
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elizabeth1977
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i feel like i need a christian domestic disipline relationship,and ive found if its done right i feel very good about myself and my life.
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ShelleBelle76
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By saying this, you are saying you as a grown woman do not have adequate self control and instead of bettering yourself and your character, you would rather just find a man who will treat you as a child and spank you when you make a mistake? That makes you feel good about yourself?
There is another term for this, it's called BDSM. Discipline and submission are two key elements in those types of relationships. If that is what pleases you, no one should judge. But let's be honest and call it what it is.
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah
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By saying this, you are saying you as a grown woman do not have adequate self control and instead of bettering yourself and your character, you would rather just find a man who will treat you as a child and spank you when you make a mistake? That makes you feel good about yourself?
There is another term for this, it's called BDSM. Discipline and submission are two key elements in those types of relationships. If that is what pleases you, no one should judge. But let's be honest and call it what it is.
BDSM?? ???
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ShelleBelle76
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Yes, I think if someone is looking for a relationship that incorporates forms of physical punishment in order to receive pleasure or "feel good" about themselves, that is a mild form of BDSM.
Not wanting to make a big issue of it, but just calling consensual "domestic discipline" relationships what they are.
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elizabeth1977
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there are times i just tell my husband i need a spanking because it makes me feel extra secure and our marriage is stronger because of it.
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah
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elizabeth1977
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bdsm is whips and chains and etc. we dont do that.he is my husband my lover my friend my protector and my spiritual leader just as god wants.he doesnt stone me to death for disagreeing, he only disipline in love.
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elizabeth1977
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jimmydiggs
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Fundy to the extreme.
I think both should submit to each other, but I'm not a typical guy.
By allowing the husband to have the final decision. By allowing the husband to direct the family in spiritual matters. By dying to your own likes and dislikes and taking on your husband's in order to please him.
And yes ladies, the way that we are all instructed in the Bible to die to our desires and serve Christ, is the way that women ought to die to their desires and live to serve her husband's desires. It's identical. That's true Biblical submission to your husband.
But by having him spank you? I mean, if that's what works for you, fine. But I wouldn't recommend it as it can lead to worse things.
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elizabeth1977
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next to jesus my husband is my number one. i believe god put us together for a reason i do not regret the life that i chose or the man that god chose for me. i am very blessed and i thank god for that almost daily.and yes i agree he has final say and he is the spiritual leader for our family so thank you for your coment and also he spanks with his hand not all those other things that can cause damage. he believes your body is the temple of the holy spirit,and you never do anything to to damage it.
I'm not really twisting scripture. That verse in genesis, in the bible commentaries I have looked up, it really does mean (paraphraised) "ok Eve, because you disobeyed me, one of your punishments would be that your husband will rule over you more harshly than he would have when I first created you and Adam".
It doesn't necessarily imply physical violence, but in that verse contains the reason why women have been been second class citizens in past history. God prescribed pain in childbirth, he also prescribed pain in relationships with her husband. The verse could most certainly be used to justify domestic discipline in a marriage. Domestic discipline does not have to involve violence. It could involve taking away some money from her or not giving her as much for shopping in the week. It could involve not allowing her to see friends or go out without her asking permission.
If I was a liberal christian who did not take the scriptures as sole authority, perhaps I could say that because women were so poorly treated at the time, was the reason that very verse was written to justify it?
Thankfully apart from that verse there is nothing in the entire bible to suggest a wife can be physically disciplined.
It doesn't necessarily imply physical violence, but in that verse contains the reason why women have been been second class citizens in past history. God prescribed pain in childbirth, he also prescribed pain in relationships with her husband. The verse could most certainly be used to justify domestic discipline in a marriage. Domestic discipline does not have to involve violence. It could involve taking away some money from her or not giving her as much for shopping in the week. It could involve not allowing her to see friends or go out without her asking permission.
If I was a liberal christian who did not take the scriptures as sole authority, perhaps I could say that because women were so poorly treated at the time, was the reason that very verse was written to justify it?
Thankfully apart from that verse there is nothing in the entire bible to suggest a wife can be physically disciplined.
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