Does a Mountain of Muscle Maketh a Man?

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Suze

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The world is a different place since 2020 that's for sure .
In my younger days I needed to keep fit but didn't like the idea of going to the gym , so I made sure that I walked everywhere and , I bought myself a rowing machine which I enjoyed and used very regularly for quite a few years . Sadly I am now suffering from arthritis in all of those joints that I tortured by using....the rowing machine 😟 . From my toes to my shoulders 😟. I know now that arthritis is a common side effect that many people who excerise end up with .
 
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In my younger days I needed to keep fit but didn't like the idea of going to the gym , so I made sure that I walked everywhere and , I bought myself a rowing machine which I enjoyed and used very regularly for quite a few years . Sadly I am now suffering from arthritis in all of those joints that I tortured by using....the rowing machine 😟 . From my toes to my shoulders 😟. I know now that arthritis is a common side effect that many people who excerise end up with .
Sorry to hear that. Almost everyone I know suffers from arthritis. Some worse than others. I've been lucky to avoid it, although I can't run long distances due to knee problems involving past injuries. My issues have to do with being a full-time caregiver.
 

Suze

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Sorry to hear that. Almost everyone I know suffers from arthritis. Some worse than others. I've been lucky to avoid it, although I can't run long distances due to knee problems involving past injuries. My issues have to do with being a full-time caregiver.
Oh bless u , that's back braking work !
 
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Oh bless u , that's back braking work !
Oh no, I don't have to do any lifting or anything, it's just a lot of emotional and mental stress, but I stay out of the gym because there is a flu epidemic and I can't risk getting sick. But before that, there was more going on. I"ll just say it was complicated. I'm not really ready to talk about it. I have kept it a secret until now. Thank you so much for your concern and God bless you.
 

Suze

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Oh no, I don't have to do any lifting or anything, it's just a lot of emotional and mental stress, but I stay out of the gym because there is a flu epidemic and I can't risk getting sick. But before that, there was more going on. I"ll just say it was complicated. I'm not really ready to talk about it. I have kept it a secret until now. Thank you so much for your concern and God bless you.
God bless you too brother ❤️ .
 

Suze

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Oh no, I don't have to do any lifting or anything, it's just a lot of emotional and mental stress, but I stay out of the gym because there is a flu epidemic and I can't risk getting sick. But before that, there was more going on. I"ll just say it was complicated. I'm not really ready to talk about it. I have kept it a secret until now. Thank you so much for your concern and God bless you.
I think I keep replying to myself 🙄 , God bless you too brother and if you ever need to chat.....❤️
 

Kainos

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Hey Everyone,

I've actually had this thread title and idea written down for quite a while, but some recent reading made it seem like this might be a good time to post it.

I've been a part of a few financial Discord chats for about 2 years now. Some gravitate towards younger communities, some towards slightly older, but they all have the same things in common -- they're smart, disciplined, hard-working, and very successful or on the road to success. But as to be expected, these chats are 99% (and then some) men.

So yes, the financial chatter is mixed with a lot of bro talk and even occasional polls about how women have done men wrong and are all sleeping around behind their backs. Many subscribe to the Men Going Their Own Way philosophy and talk about being or becoming Passport Bros (guys who go to cheaper countries to seek out beautiful young bedmates.) But this is to be expected, and I'm not there to interrupt their community. I mostly listen, and the rare times I do speak up, it's often to praise the guys who dare to say something about how much they love their wives.

Many of these men, especially the younger ones, talk about working out and trying to obtain what they believe are the manliest of male bodies that will attract all the chicks.

Like any group of people, these chats have leaders and extremists, along with (the guys I listen to and long to try to help,) the followers who haven't quite gotten there yet but are looking for a place to fit in.

Many members post their workout routines, the amounts of the weights they've conquered during their last lift, and the carnivorous rabbit diets (a steak and a side of lettuce) they're using to "cut" and define their bodies, along with protein powders and "supplements" (basically legal steroids.)

I have a profound interest in trying to encourage people to live in a healthy manner and find the healthy body dimensions that work for them. And I feel truly disturbed to read about the increasing number of men who are starving, punishing and destroying their own bodies in this quest for imagined perfection:

View attachment 275397

It makes me immensely sad.

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised because I grew up in the times of 80's and 90's action stars, while today's male stars at least have some semblance of still looking human:

View attachment 275398


But many of these young guys are convinced they can starve, injure, and "discipline" themselves into an 80's action hero.

* Do you know, or have you known any men who are harming themselves while trying to achieve a "perfection" no one else can achieve?

* Do you have a son or younger male relative, co-worker, church member who strives to look like this through unhealthy means?

* Have you ever known a man with an eating disorder?

* How do we approach these topics with sensitivity, and come across as wanting to help, rather than criticize?

* How can we encourage men into being healthy, and, just like women, that they don't have to reach unattainable, dangerous goals to try to be able to love and find someone who loves them?

As I said, I know very well that the chats I sit in on are secular -- but not everyone there is -- and I silently pray as I read along that maybe there is someone I can encourage and help. If we expect men to be leaders, we all know that both genders need to find a way to preserve and build up what God made them to be.

I would greatly appreciate any stories, experience, or advice others have to share! 💗Thank you.
Stay away from those gym bros when the famines crop up. Consumed by fear of losing their gains, they'll eat all your survival food in an ill-timed bulking phase.

I work with a guy (not the dirty dishes dude) who tracks his macronutrient intake by the gram. His fixation on marcos; protein, carbohydrates, and fats, meant that he rarely referred to his food by name. So whenever we were on the same call-outs, I kept on referring to building materials by their principle constituents. Wood for example, is primarily cellulose, a complex carbohydrate, made up of the same simple sugars as starch. I parodied him at work to such an extent, he dispensed with his macro splits during our lunch breaks. If he's got tuna pasta in his tupperware box, he knows to call it by name around me.
 
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Hey Everyone,

I've actually had this thread title and idea written down for quite a while, but some recent reading made it seem like this might be a good time to post it.

I've been a part of a few financial Discord chats for about 2 years now. Some gravitate towards younger communities, some towards slightly older, but they all have the same things in common -- they're smart, disciplined, hard-working, and very successful or on the road to success. But as to be expected, these chats are 99% (and then some) men.

So yes, the financial chatter is mixed with a lot of bro talk and even occasional polls about how women have done men wrong and are all sleeping around behind their backs. Many subscribe to the Men Going Their Own Way philosophy and talk about being or becoming Passport Bros (guys who go to cheaper countries to seek out beautiful young bedmates.) But this is to be expected, and I'm not there to interrupt their community. I mostly listen, and the rare times I do speak up, it's often to praise the guys who dare to say something about how much they love their wives.

Many of these men, especially the younger ones, talk about working out and trying to obtain what they believe are the manliest of male bodies that will attract all the chicks.

Like any group of people, these chats have leaders and extremists, along with (the guys I listen to and long to try to help,) the followers who haven't quite gotten there yet but are looking for a place to fit in.

Many members post their workout routines, the amounts of the weights they've conquered during their last lift, and the carnivorous rabbit diets (a steak and a side of lettuce) they're using to "cut" and define their bodies, along with protein powders and "supplements" (basically legal steroids.)

I have a profound interest in trying to encourage people to live in a healthy manner and find the healthy body dimensions that work for them. And I feel truly disturbed to read about the increasing number of men who are starving, punishing and destroying their own bodies in this quest for imagined perfection:

View attachment 275397

It makes me immensely sad.

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised because I grew up in the times of 80's and 90's action stars, while today's male stars at least have some semblance of still looking human:

View attachment 275398


But many of these young guys are convinced they can starve, injure, and "discipline" themselves into an 80's action hero.

* Do you know, or have you known any men who are harming themselves while trying to achieve a "perfection" no one else can achieve?

* Do you have a son or younger male relative, co-worker, church member who strives to look like this through unhealthy means?

* Have you ever known a man with an eating disorder?

* How do we approach these topics with sensitivity, and come across as wanting to help, rather than criticize?

* How can we encourage men into being healthy, and, just like women, that they don't have to reach unattainable, dangerous goals to try to be able to love and find someone who loves them?

As I said, I know very well that the chats I sit in on are secular -- but not everyone there is -- and I silently pray as I read along that maybe there is someone I can encourage and help. If we expect men to be leaders, we all know that both genders need to find a way to preserve and build up what God made them to be.

I would greatly appreciate any stories, experience, or advice others have to share! 💗Thank you.
Kudos for a post like this sweet sister, i do think guys problems are often neglected, much more attention being given to issues women have in life. Personally think the scales are pretty balanced in reality, however, female issues seem to have more impact, so those seeking to control our thinking and behaviour, focus on them in their programming methods.

It's so sad many seem to fret about and desperately pursue, what i think is an imposed deal. I like to be reasonably fit and supple but so many normal, often useful physical activities, make one genuinely pretty fit. We're a complete package, prettiness (for women and men) is nice but can be as a nose ring on a pig, if what's inside isn't pretty.

It makes me really sad so many feel inadequate and often experience far worse feelings, if they don't look like what is really an imposed ideal. Our appearance is only part of our particular package and it's far from the most important part.
 
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Kudos for a post like this sweet sister, i do think guys problems are often neglected, much more attention being given to issues women have in life. Personally think the scales are pretty balanced in reality, however, female issues seem to have more impact, so those seeking to control our thinking and behaviour, focus on them in their programming methods.

It's so sad many seem to fret about and desperately pursue, what i think is an imposed deal. I like to be reasonably fit and supple but so many normal, often useful physical activities, make one genuinely pretty fit. We're a complete package, prettiness (for women and men) is nice but can be as a nose ring on a pig, if what's inside isn't pretty.

It makes me really sad so many feel inadequate and often experience far worse feelings, if they don't look like what is really an imposed ideal. Our appearance is only part of our particular package and it's far from the most important part.
"what i think is an imposed deal." Yep! That should have been ideal :eek:
 

Suze

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Kudos for a post like this sweet sister, i do think guys problems are often neglected, much more attention being given to issues women have in life. Personally think the scales are pretty balanced in reality, however, female issues seem to have more impact, so those seeking to control our thinking and behaviour, focus on them in their programming methods.

It's so sad many seem to fret about and desperately pursue, what i think is an imposed deal. I like to be reasonably fit and supple but so many normal, often useful physical activities, make one genuinely pretty fit. We're a complete package, prettiness (for women and men) is nice but can be as a nose ring on a pig, if what's inside isn't pretty.

It makes me really sad so many feel inadequate and often experience far worse feelings, if they don't look like what is really an imposed ideal. Our appearance is only part of our particular package and it's far from the most important part.
Our bodies r just a shell , they don't define us , what's on the inside can b very different to what is on the outside . In the words of a famous British singer : youths a mask and it don't last . Rod Stewart in case u r wondering 😜 .
 

Karlon

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Hey Everyone,

I've actually had this thread title and idea written down for quite a while, but some recent reading made it seem like this might be a good time to post it.

I've been a part of a few financial Discord chats for about 2 years now. Some gravitate towards younger communities, some towards slightly older, but they all have the same things in common -- they're smart, disciplined, hard-working, and very successful or on the road to success. But as to be expected, these chats are 99% (and then some) men.

So yes, the financial chatter is mixed with a lot of bro talk and even occasional polls about how women have done men wrong and are all sleeping around behind their backs. Many subscribe to the Men Going Their Own Way philosophy and talk about being or becoming Passport Bros (guys who go to cheaper countries to seek out beautiful young bedmates.) But this is to be expected, and I'm not there to interrupt their community. I mostly listen, and the rare times I do speak up, it's often to praise the guys who dare to say something about how much they love their wives.

Many of these men, especially the younger ones, talk about working out and trying to obtain what they believe are the manliest of male bodies that will attract all the chicks.

Like any group of people, these chats have leaders and extremists, along with (the guys I listen to and long to try to help,) the followers who haven't quite gotten there yet but are looking for a place to fit in.

Many members post their workout routines, the amounts of the weights they've conquered during their last lift, and the carnivorous rabbit diets (a steak and a side of lettuce) they're using to "cut" and define their bodies, along with protein powders and "supplements" (basically legal steroids.)

I have a profound interest in trying to encourage people to live in a healthy manner and find the healthy body dimensions that work for them. And I feel truly disturbed to read about the increasing number of men who are starving, punishing and destroying their own bodies in this quest for imagined perfection:

View attachment 275397

It makes me immensely sad.

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised because I grew up in the times of 80's and 90's action stars, while today's male stars at least have some semblance of still looking human:

View attachment 275398


But many of these young guys are convinced they can starve, injure, and "discipline" themselves into an 80's action hero.

* Do you know, or have you known any men who are harming themselves while trying to achieve a "perfection" no one else can achieve?

* Do you have a son or younger male relative, co-worker, church member who strives to look like this through unhealthy means?

* Have you ever known a man with an eating disorder?

* How do we approach these topics with sensitivity, and come across as wanting to help, rather than criticize?

* How can we encourage men into being healthy, and, just like women, that they don't have to reach unattainable, dangerous goals to try to be able to love and find someone who loves them?

As I said, I know very well that the chats I sit in on are secular -- but not everyone there is -- and I silently pray as I read along that maybe there is someone I can encourage and help. If we expect men to be leaders, we all know that both genders need to find a way to preserve and build up what God made them to be.

I would greatly appreciate any stories, experience, or advice others have to share! 💗Thank you.
1. yes, they took steroids.
2. no.
3. yes. eating too much is an eating disorder. a good friend of mine died of a 2nd heart attack. he called me about 4:30 1 morning back in 2010. as soon as i heard the phone ring, i knew it was him. "karlon, i think i'm having a heart attack". i drove 70 mph thru the city to get him to the hospital. sure enough: the doctor said, 3 arteries blocked 60%, 1 blocked 90% & 1 blocked 30%. i saved his life for 8 years. he died of the 2nd attack in 2018.
4. hhhmmmmmmm! like a Christian counselor would. a sit-down, talking to said person as a friend, brother or sister, & with the greatest amount of care you possibly can deliver. speaking in a calm soft way.
5. hhhhmmmmmmm! here's some encouragement, with these facts: people who exercise, work fast & look you in the eye constantly when speaking all are proven to be happier people. & usually, more alert. trying to love someone is a questionable issue. if someone is trying to love someone early in a relationship, it sounds like that should not be a relationship. think about it, already trying to love? no, not good. i can understand a relationships in husband-wife where years later there was discord, or incompatibility issue or "tired of" issue & either spouse is trying better to love & get along.
6 i broke up with my 1st g.f. because the more i did to help out, the more she said, "you're not doing enough". holy heavens, i was working full time, playing in a band earning extra money, landscaping & performing chores around the house!!!!
 

Kireina

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While physical appearance can be pleasing, it's a person's character that truly makes a man...or makes them admirable and worthy of praise. Their character is reflected in how they live out their faith as a child of God, their relationships as a son, brother, friend, and neighbor, and their roles as a boss, employee, father, and husband.

But yeah...it is also important to take care of our physical body...especially our health. I always believe that food indulgence or eating too much is not healthy...I know this is hard to hear but that is the truth...Been there...I remember those days when I avoided photos because I was uncomfortable with my bloated appearance (I put on so much weight) because of overeating.Now I am back on track and making some changes slowly and surely.... I feel a lot better than I did months ago.
 

BillyBob

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In Jr High, I remember a boy who was not very tall – but had a body like a brick wall! Guess this would have made him about 12-13 yrs old and he was already heading in this direction.
One day in Gym, we were playing basketball and he was on the opposite team. He was not very coordinated due to his muscular body. So I told myself, “since I'm quicker than he, the next time he gets the ball I will knock it out of his hands”.

Guess what happened! I nearly broke my own hand! :)