Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

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notuptome said:
Really?

When Jesus prayed in the garden over the cup passing by Him was that your incorrect use of the word predestined? Did Jesus make a choice to submit His will to the will of the Father? When Jesus submitted His will to the Father He received the predestination of all that was promised to Him through the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Ok,this is a good example of the overlap.

Predestined for the cross,while Jesus chose correctly to submit.
 
trofimus said:
If you read the convo, you will see that even the simple claim "predestination is in the Bible" got some people to fight.
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It's because of the man-made doctrines attached to the word. Some misunderstanding and some taught by wolves preaching extreme strawmen (like babies will go to hell..there are preachers in the world who teach this false doctrine and claim to be reformed or Calvinist but are just false minister of self righteousness)
 
Muzungu256 said:
i think it still happens!!!!!!!!!!! it has happened to me and my family member!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! verified too!!!!
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My sister was healed of a lung disease that medical remedies and doctors couldn't fix. It was incurable.

It was at a Benny Hinn crusade
 
popeye said:
It is even " worse" than that. He was slain from the foundation of the world.
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You got it wrong. "From the foundation of the world" is not about being slain, but about the names written in the book.
 
Ariel82 said:
It's because of the man-made doctrines attached to the word. Some misunderstanding and some taught by wolves preaching extreme strawmen (like babies will go to hell..there are preachers in the world who teach this false doctrine and claim to be reformed or Calvinist but are just false minister of self righteousness)
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
ForthAngel said:
They wrote to those who were saved and those who were appointed to salvation - the elect..
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lol.. this is what is called holding back, and interpreting scripture to your believes, and nor forming your belief from scripture.

All people. Peter. Paul, Even James, Spoke of examining yourself to see if you are truly saved or not, The letters were written for people to read to know and come to Christ. If you think everyone e in your church's who reads the Bible si saved, Will I hope they are. But most likely, you will find they are nbot..
 
Ariel82 said:
It's because of the man-made doctrines attached to the word. Some misunderstanding and some taught by wolves preaching extreme strawmen (like babies will go to hell..there are preachers in the world who teach this false doctrine and claim to be reformed or Calvinist but are just false minister of self righteousness)
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If somebody fights with what is clearly in the Bible, he got his mind on a wrong path. No matter what his experiences are.
 
Muzungu256 said:
i think it still happens!!!!!!!!!!! it has happened to me and my family member!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! verified too!!!!
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All anyone ever gets are stories and second, third, fifteenth hand accounts. I believe God is still healing providentially. Miraculously? Paralyzed instantly becoming unparalyzed? Major disfigurements instantly healed? Blind since birth instantly seeing? Dead being raised? We aren't seeing this. What we are seeing are counterfeits by liars.

I'm not trying to discount what you or your family might have experienced. God does heal. But the miracles of the bible aren't happening today. If they are it's extremely, extremely rare. You'd have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning multiple times in a row before experiencing a bonafide miracle. If God instantly healed you or someone in your family, great, but 100% of every story I have heard so far or the "miracle healing" I've witnessed has been fakes or explainable in some other way.

Miracles are undeniable occurrences.

What we see from Benny Hinn and all the other charlatans are fake, even satanic. We have clear biblical warnings against false signs and wonders perpetuated by Satan himself. We should be careful to heed those warnings.
 
Ariel82 said:
Only if they also state that God's drawing is irrestible.

Otherwise it doesn't imply Universalism at all...that's just an assume folks make,

Most free will people believe that the drawing can be resisted and that God allows people to choose....thus the whole debate.
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Amen, thus the division that has torn the church apart for centuries.
 
Popeye, no offense but I really don't like Benny Hinn. His doctrines and life style causes a lot of concern.

Praise God that He healed your sister, but are you sure it was during the crusade?
 
Does this thread get any better, i feel like i am in a war zone.
 
trofimus said:
If somebody fights with what is clearly in the Bible, he got his mind on a wrong path. No matter what his experiences are.
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Wolves place stumbling blocks before God's children.

God calls us to help remove them from the path of our siblings or help them overcome the lies.

We can only do this if they first know the deep love for them and our deep desire for them to experience joy, peace and freedom in Christ
 
trofimus said:
You got it wrong. "From the foundation of the world" is not about being slain, but about the names written in the book.
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Get a new understanding of that concept. It is from revelation.

IT REFERS TO JESUS.

How In the world could you possibly think people were slain from the foundation of the world?

You are not aware people can not atone for sins?

That is Jesus alone. Get some commentary or something.

(not WOP teacher type)
 
Ariel82 said:
Wolves place stumbling blocks before God's children.

God calls us to help remove them from the path of our siblings or help them overcome the lies.

We can only do this if they first know the deep love for them and our deep desire for them to experience joy, peace and freedom in Christ
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Not relevant to what is clearly said in the Bible....

If somebody says "tongues are in the Bible", I will not fight it any bit, even though I am very, very anti-Charismatic.
 
popeye said:
Get a new understanding of that concept. It is from revelation.

IT REFERS TO JESUS.

How In the world could you possibly think people were slain from the foundation of the world?

You are not aware people can not atone for sins?

That is Jesus alone. Get some commentary or something.

(not WOP teacher type)
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You misunderstand him. He says that people's names were written from the foundation of the world and none were slain then,
 
Ariel82 said:
Popeye, no offense but I really don't like Benny Hinn. His doctrines and life style causes a lot of concern.

Praise God that He healed your sister, but are you sure it was during the crusade?
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I only said what happened. I am aware of his non popularity .

But what better example,since God is in such a small box here.
 
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