Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[slave]

How can one be loyal to his word but not loyal to right doctrine? You say we are to be loyal to the former but not to the latter. That is quite contradictory my friend.

this is not what I said.

 

[popeye]

Don't you think there is already enough threads about this? There seems to be enough drama as it is so why make a thread like this.

Gees some folks must really love drama, huh?

I've seen a lot of drama queens in my day, but some of you folks take the cake....LOL

Yep,another salvation thread.

 

[slave]

How can one be loyal to his word but not loyal to right doctrine? You say we are to be loyal to the former but not to the latter. That is quite contradictory my friend.

What I was meaning to say if it came off differently is - we are to be loyal to Jesus (the person), and not to the doctrines first of Jesus, and we are not to fight a fight of right versus wrong but to stand on His word in respect and gentleness with others as He draws all men unto Himself, casting aside our emotions and only acting upon the commission of God thru the intuition of our spirit. After re-reading my post I saw where I had said be loyal to His Word but not His doctrine, skipping the explanation more completely there, so I apologize if I was unclear.

 

[Rockrz]

Who here teaches these things?

Sounds like some of calvin's cult followers... they follow blindly like manson's followers

Calvin's people might start whackin those that get in their way like the mafia

Gees some folks must really love drama, huh?

Like they say, the only exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions and running down their neighbors

Nothing but fallacious arguments and straw men thread after thread

straw man argument = how some claim that others they suck!

I think you just like fake crying to try to stir up more drama

I really thought people were interested in learning more about the Reformed view

Is reformed what calvin believes in?

Just curious if that is what "reformed" is... and why do they call it "reformed" anywho?

 

[Laish]

Is reformed what calvin believes in?
Just curious if that is what "reformed" is... and why do they call it "reformed" anywho?

sugestion try reading up on the subject first . I am Reformed and ,read opposing views more than ones I agree with .
Reading about how others formed their beliefs an what they are is crucial . You may not agree but you won't be left using someone's half baked opinions or slanders of a subject to form your beliefs about something .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Rockrz]

Reading about how others formed their beliefs an what they are is crucial

Meh, I'd rather read about how the Lord Jesus believes... with Him being Lord God Almighty and all...
Needless to say, Jesus has much mo credibility that calvin.

 

[Laish]

Actually it was only the Bible I read when I realized I was Reformed . I started looking for a church congregation that lined up with everything I read . I went from congregation to congregation over a period of 5 or 6 years comparing services to scripture taking tons of notes and realized scripture lined up more with the Reformed services. I had never heard of Calvin,or Reformed theology before . Before becoming a Christian I was a atheist and didn't remember ever stepping into a church before . I was blank slate before I believed . So it was not some French guy in a funny hat that formed my views .
Blesdings
Bill

 

[Blain]

Yes in a sense many do because of the whole predestination issue. Some believe that we were chosen before creation and in a sense yes were but not in salvation. God is a loving father and went to the extreme of extremes for us to have salvation, now does a loving father who would go that far sound like someone who would pre ordain some to heaven and some hell no matter what they did?

 

[Rockrz]

Actually it was only the Bible I read when I realized I was Reformed

Do they have a calvin translation?

 

[Laish]

Meh, I'd rather read about how the Lord Jesus believes... with Him being Lord God Almighty and all...
Needless to say, Jesus has much mo credibility that calvin.

I was just responding to your statement that you wanted to know more about the Reformed view. The best way is by doing some work and reading.
Was I being too naive in believing you really wanted to know ?
Blessings
Bill

 

[Laish]

Do they have a calvin translation?

I don't believe so . They may have a study bible. I tend to steer clear of study bibles with a agenda . I generally use several regular or topical Bibles for study .
For general reading I use ESV KJV NKJV Geneva.
Blesdings
Bill

 

[Gabriel2020]

mankind always have been predestined. He made man to worship him like Adam and Eve did before the fall. once that was gone, he put into to plan to bring us back like it was before. through his son Jesus Christ. that was his plan from the beginning. All those that come to Jesus is part of his predestination . Believe, worship, and fellowship. That never changed.

 

[SovereignGrace]

You and I have a different definition of what troll means, apparently...

I've watched as you and your little tag team has ran around calling others names and pretending as though you are the only one's in the world who understands the Word of God.


Yet, you get so offended when someone doesn't agree with your little doctrine. Well you pretend like you're offended...I think you just like fake crying to try to stir up more drama ...lol

If someone went around saying you approved of ppl drowning cats, then told ppl you don't approve of drowning cats, and then those same ppl STILL go around saying you approve of drowning cats, wouldn't you be miffed at them?

That's what the OP is about. Ppl continually accuse us of God creating ppl just to send them to hell, and we don't hold to that belief, but ppl STILL accuse us of it.

 

[Johnny_B]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:



Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

I know of one member that believes that and he doesn't post in thread that are discussing Calvinism, he's made his own thread to show what he teaches/believes. She had no clue as to what people were saying or what the Bible teaches, because she believes that she saved herself while have a handle that is a proof text that God saves man. That right there shows you how twisted her thinking is. God causes us to be born again so we can see the kingdom, in that gift of grace, man responded to God in faith and repentance. God's grace is resisted every day by all men in their natural state. It is the regenerating act of God that allows people to be free from sin, so that they can respond to Him. I am not going to post all the Scriptures, because I'm trying to make shorter posts.

It's all based on false assumptions that Calvinism teaches these things, I've heard it both ways, that he did believe that and that he did not, so it really doesn't matter because he does not posted here. I believe there were many things Calvin believe that most Calvinist do not believe today, it's the Biblical Doctrines of Grace that keep Calvinism going. I've never read any of his books so I am not sure how his atonement worked, I know it's for the believers, but I don't know if he also thought that it covers all sins in the world past, present and future or strictly limited to believers.

She never directly responded to any posts that I seen, she would just say unbiblical stuff, that was legalistic which fit her view of salvation, if man saves himself, man must keep himself saved.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Actually it was only the Bible I read when I realized I was Reformed . I started looking for a church congregation that lined up with everything I read . I went from congregation to congregation over a period of 5 or 6 years comparing services to scripture taking tons of notes and realized scripture lined up more with the Reformed services. I had never heard of Calvin,or Reformed theology before . Before becoming a Christian I was a atheist and didn't remember ever stepping into a church before . I was blank slate before I believed . So it was not some French guy in a funny hat that formed my views .
Blesdings
Bill

Naw, it was the beard that convinced you. Come on and fess up.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I know of one member that believes that and he doesn't post in thread that are discussing Calvinism, he's made his own thread to show what he teaches/believes. She had no clue as to what people were saying or what the Bible teaches, because she believes that she saved herself while have a handle that is a proof text that God saves man. That right there shows you how twisted her thinking is. God causes us to be born again so we can see the kingdom, in that gift of grace, man responded to God in faith and repentance. God's grace is resisted every day by all men in their natural state. It is the regenerating act of God that allows people to be free from sin, so that they can respond to Him. I am not going to post all the Scriptures, because I'm trying to make shorter posts.

It's all based on false assumptions that Calvinism teaches these things, I've heard it both ways, that he did believe that and that he did not, so it really doesn't matter because he does not posted here. I believe there were many things Calvin believe that most Calvinist do not believe today, it's the Biblical Doctrines of Grace that keep Calvinism going. I've never read any of his books so I am not sure how his atonement worked, I know it's for the believers, but I don't know if he also thought that it covers all sins in the world past, present and future or strictly limited to believers.

She never directly responded to any posts that I seen, she would just say unbiblical stuff, that was legalistic which fit her view of salvation, if man saves himself, man must keep himself saved.

 

[trofimus]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:



Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

It all depends on proper definitions, but in some point of view I can be "teaching" it, or at least, believing it.

 

[Depleted]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:



Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

I'll try to answer the two bolded questions.

1. So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Really hard to answer that question because God only created two people. The rest of us came along the usual way -- conception. Sooo, were Adam and Eve created to go the hell? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they went to heaven.

But will God send people to hell? Of course! That is the just punishment we all deserve. I think it's fantastically generous of him not to give all of us what we deserve though. And the way he did that was just too, Jesus propitiated our much deserved wrath from the Lord.

2. Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Another complicated question. I'm not a teacher, so I don't do lesson plans to teach. On the other hand, if someone asks me, I'll tell what I know.

Now, if the question is "Will God turn anyone away" then easy answer. Of course not! But that's not the question. "If one seeks out God?" Well, if we're going to hit absurd "if" questions, then "If you're driving your car at the speed of light, what happens when you turn on your lights?" That too is absurd for the same reason the "If anyone seeks God" question is absurd. Never gonna happen, so why worry about it? Actually, it's more likely you can drive your car at the speed of light.

And then the final part of the question is "is it enough?" That just leaves me shaking my head, because I don't know what "it" is, since it's already been established the first part of the question doesn't make sense. And I also don't get what "enough" means. Enough as in asking to be forgiven is enough? Enough for what? Is contrite heart supposed to be enough? Enough what? Since I don't know what the asker is asking, I can't answer -- teacher or not.

So are these false allegation? I've got no idea what they're alleging to begin with to determine the truthfulness of the allegation. And, I've got no insight into what is being alleged.

I'm just lost.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes in a sense many do because of the whole predestination issue. Some believe that we were chosen before creation and in a sense yes were but not in salvation. God is a loving father and went to the extreme of extremes for us to have salvation, now does a loving father who would go that far sound like someone who would pre ordain some to heaven and some hell no matter what they did?

We were chosen to salvation before creation so you're incorrect here. Either be biblical and believe Scripture or don't. Being brutally honest you're known for believing your own dreams more than you are for being sound in biblical doctrine. I humbly admonish you to change your mind and ways young man. You're on an unsustainable path.

 

[preacher4truth]

this is not what I said.

It's exactly you said.

But this is why we are to be loyal to His Word and not to man; not to right doctrine, and not to right versus wrong alone.