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Hakawaka

Hakawaka

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Magenta said:
You are either a slave to righteousness, or sin.

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The question about this is: Since its all God, and its not up to us whatsoever, when God does all these things to people such as donate them faith and repentance, WHY IS IT: that many calvinist christians by their own admission still SIN daily in thought word and deed? Is God doing a bad job at sanctifying people? The view of God gets worse and worse.
The reality is: IF God was the one who did 100% of the work in our sanctificaiton we would ALL be immediately sanctified walking in perfect obedience, alas, we don't. You know why? Cause its us WORKING TOGETHER with God in sanctification, its not a one way street.
 
HeIsHere

HeIsHere

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Lamar said:
To all these Calvinists who are pushing this "choice vs. free will" nonsense remember this verse:

Matthew 23:37
New International Version
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

There is no point in the Bible even being written if we do not have a free choice in the matter.

Your words are but philosophical gobbledygook.
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The message of the Gospel is light.

Sadly as someone once stated, in their attempt to honor God, they make foolishness of the whole thing.
 
tourist

tourist

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Magenta said:
Making choices does not equate to having a will that is free.

Not to worry. Jesus can set you free.

That is what the Bible teaches.

Not your error. Many make the same error.
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Your succinct spiritually correct reply to @Lamar was not too harsh.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Hakawaka said:
The question about this is: Since its all God, and its not up to us whatsoever, when God does all these things to people such as donate them faith and repentance, WHY IS IT: that many calvinist christians by their own admission still SIN daily in thought word and deed? Is God doing a bad job at sanctifying people? The view of God gets worse and worse.
The reality is: IF God was the one who did 100% of the work in our sanctificaiton we would ALL be immediately sanctified walking in perfect obedience, alas, we don't. You know why? Cause its us WORKING TOGETHER with God in sanctification, its not a one way street.
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You will have to ask a Calvinist...
 
Cameron143

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Hakawaka said:
The question about this is: Since its all God, and its not up to us whatsoever, when God does all these things to people such as donate them faith and repentance, WHY IS IT: that many calvinist christians by their own admission still SIN daily in thought word and deed? Is God doing a bad job at sanctifying people? The view of God gets worse and worse.
The reality is: IF God was the one who did 100% of the work in our sanctificaiton we would ALL be immediately sanctified walking in perfect obedience, alas, we don't. You know why? Cause its us WORKING TOGETHER with God in sanctification, its not a one way street.
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God can and does work together with us in sanctification. We are alive to God now and can now work in conjunction with Him. This is also what Philippians 2:12-13 teaches...we are to work out our salvation in light of what God is willing and doing in us. But before we are saved, this is not possible; we are contrary to God's desires.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Cameron143 said:
God can and does work together with us in sanctification. We are alive to God now and can now work in conjunction with Him. This is also what Philippians 2:12-13 teaches...we are to work out our salvation in light of what God is willing and doing in us. But before we are saved, this is not possible; we are contrary to God's desires.
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Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. :)
 
Cameron143

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Magenta said:
Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.:)
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The image didn't come through, but I'm sure it was great.
 
BillyBob

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Hakawaka said:
if I would get a knickle for each time James White claims this id be a rich man.
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I don't know who James White is. But the problem may be that he does not know the language of the Hakawaka tribe! But I'm sure he is working on it!
If you don't like to hear what he says, why do you keep listening to him?
 
Magenta

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Cameron143 said:
The image didn't come through, but I'm sure it was great.
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Hmmm, yes, sometimes I see the error image but it shows up later, or is visible on my phone but not my laptop. Ugh. Perhaps my host site is having issues? Unsure. But I uploaded it again. It has been updated a bit since the last time you may have seen it, also .:D



:)
 
Magenta

Magenta

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BillyBob said:
I don't know who James White is. But the problem may be that he does not
know the language of the Hakawaka tribe! But I'm sure he is working on it!
If you don't like to hear what he says, why do you keep listening to him?
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Perhaps James White has something in common with that Pink guy I keep seeing being mentioned?
 
BillyBob

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Magenta said:
Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.:)
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I really like this panel. It seem to speak, to a degree, concerning God's covenant relation to His people. This can certainly be used to comfort Christians who lose a child. We may never know their status for sure, but it is comforting to see this written in God's word!
 
Magenta

Magenta

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BillyBob said:
I really like this panel. It seem to speak, to a degree, concerning God's covenant relation to His people. This can certainly be used to comfort Christians who lose a child. We may never know their status for sure, but it is comforting to see this written in God's word!
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Can you see the image? I still just see the error image. Any who, thank you! Yes. So many deny that a work must
be done in the natural man before he will choose to believe and love God. And it is one of God's promises, in which
we have hope and trust! But to others it makes God a tyrannical monster who kidnaps people against their will.


Man's depravity vs God's Grace
:)
 
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