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That is one of the great questions. I am thinking about making a topic about it. It took centuries for anyone to hear the gospel in americas. I wonder what happened to them? Did God judge them based on the knowledge they DID have or were they just automatically condemned? Will they get a chance to believe in the future? Jesus died preach to people who died during Noah's time. The true answer biblically is: We don't know
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God for His own glorification, and without any regard to original sin, has created some as "vessels of mercy", others as "vessels of wrath". Those created for hell He has also predestined for sin, and whatever faith and righteousness they may exhibit are at most only apparent, since all graces and means of salvation are efficacious only in those predestined for heaven.
John Calvin
Seems you cannot find that scripture then.
John Calvin
Seems you cannot find that scripture then.
The fact is that God doesn't deal with all people groups in all times. While heaven will be populated by every nation, kindred, tribe, and tongue, He doesn't make Himself known intimately to every generation. For the majority of history, the bible wasn't even available to most people. So if faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, unless God came directly to a person, the people were born, lived, and died never hearing the gospel.
Well that's why we take their doctrines to the ends and see where they end up. In this specific case of the OP 2 questions no matter by what means we try to go about it we're still going to end up with the answer of no to both the questions even if we attempt to take the path of yes to one or both questions. Anything outside of this will just become a digression and a whole different topic to whole different questions and so I think I have typed on this thread about as much as I possibly can and reached the point where furtherly commenting will just become redundant or so much of a digression that I might as well just go look at whole new thread.
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Romans 9:19-21 One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?
Romans 8:6-7
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I don't believe God created anyone for damnation. But I do believe men fit themselves for destruction.
Again, I'm not a Calvinist. Your insistence that I am is bearing a false witness, just as your earlier assertion that I believe Jesus gives false hope.
You are a dishonest person.
Again, I'm not a Calvinist. Your insistence that I am is bearing a false witness, just as your earlier assertion that I believe Jesus gives false hope.
You are a dishonest person.
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1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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