Does I Corinthians 13 teach certain gifts ceased with the closing of the canon?

[Noose]

So you believe the 2 witness in verse 3 already come to earth,

When? In what year?

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Yes, i believe they came and prophesied back in the 1st century and what John saw and heard in his visions was retrospective of what had already happened the reason he was told to prophesy again, to all nations;

Rev 10:11And they told me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

 

[Noose]

So you believe Paul and Peter Will back to the earth. Am I correct?

Than they Will propchecy for 1200 day,

So after back to life. They prophecy

My question is

When they back to life? In the future or allready happen?

No, where did you get that idea?

They were given authority to prophesy for sometime which they did, after that satan was to be given authority and the first thing to do was to kill the witnesses. I believe satan has already taken authority here on earth, he has for the last 2000 years. The reason no one should be hoodwinked by these miracles.

 

[Noose]

And we express love to one another by ministering to one another in a variety of ways as empowered by the Spirit. Gifts of the Spirit are a means by which we are empowered to minister to one another.

Not at all.

1 John 2:27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.

 

[garee]

You continually imply that others are trying to add to Scripture. You are incorrect. Get your facts straight.

I continue to offer. God is no longer briniging any new revelations .The perfect has come as the greater witness.

 

[garee]

I believe those are the apostles under the leadership of Peter and Paul. There life testifies; as they were still ministering, nothing would touch them, but as soon as they completed ministering, each one faced a brutal death. You need to continue reading the same passage, it says they would testify for a time after which they would be killed.

The two witnesses are the witnesses of God .The law and the prophets . Signified by Moses and Elisa. The gospel . The gospel will be silenced called or killed for a period of time.

Its not a sign as a wonder looking to put a human face on. Its an evil generating natural that looks for one. The last one given was fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus. Luke 16 testifies to the two witnesses of God as the very word of God in Luke. Not the witness of men literally Moses and Elisa. They are dead

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16

 

[Noose]

The two witnesses are the witnesses of God .The law and the prophets . Signified by Moses and Elisa. The gospel . The gospel will be silenced called or killed for a period of time.

Its not a sign as a wonder looking to put a human face on. Its an evil generating natural that looks for one. The last one given was fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus. Luke 16 testifies to the two witnesses of God as the very word of God in Luke. Not the witness of men literally Moses and Elisa. They are dead

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16

Ok.

 

[notuptome]

You're adding to Scripture. Neither of those verses even hints at "Scripture" being the subject.

You prove my point. It's there but you will not see it. Ask yourself why?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[presidente]

Not at all.

1 John 2:27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.

'You' is plural there. This is a passage about the Holy Spirit teaching, not a passage about people not needing grace manifested by the Spirit.

 

[Noose]

'You' is plural there. This is a passage about the Holy Spirit teaching, not a passage about people not needing grace manifested by the Spirit.

And what is grace? Is it only for certain people or all men (mankind)

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

There's no connection between grace and gifts.

 

[Dino246]

I continue to offer. God is no longer briniging any new revelations .The perfect has come as the greater witness.

You're sidestepping. Deal with your repeated error, then we'll discuss what you are offering.

 

[Dino246]

You prove my point. It's there but you will not see it. Ask yourself why?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Don't be a jackdonkey; explain what you see.

 

[Dino246]

And what is grace? Is it only for certain people or all men (mankind)

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

There's no connection between grace and gifts.

Unfortunately, your ignorance of Greek is showing. In Titus 2:11 and many other verses, the Greek word for grace is "charis" from which directly comes "charismatic"... as in... gifts.

 

[Dino246]

The two witnesses are the witnesses of God .The law and the prophets . Signified by Moses and Elisa. The gospel . The gospel will be silenced called or killed for a period of time.

Its not a sign as a wonder looking to put a human face on. Its an evil generating natural that looks for one. The last one given was fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus. Luke 16 testifies to the two witnesses of God as the very word of God in Luke. Not the witness of men literally Moses and Elisa. They are dead

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16

This really needs a separate thread to unpack properly, but I'll ask anyway...

How do you propose that "the law and the prophets" will die, and their dead bodies will lie in the streets for three and a half days?

 

[garee]

You're sidestepping. Deal with your repeated error, then we'll discuss what you are offering.

Which error is that confirming the warning at the end of cannon sealed with seven seals till the end of time?. Why would a person desire to go above the perfect.? Self edification? Glory in the flesh as the things seen?

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
They were not content with all things written in the law and the prophets. They called it as it is written heresy so they could keep the oral traditions of the father which make the word of God without effect.

Prophecy for those who believe. Sign as wonders (a source of faith) for those who do not trust prophecy but add there own personal touch rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal. Yet for all that they believe not, as sign against unbelief in mankind.. . Circular reasoning as a seal brings us right back to the law founded in Isaiah 28 revisited below.

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[notuptome]

Don't be a jackdonkey; explain what you see.

Yeah right because you make such a sincere request.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Noose]

'You' is plural there. This is a passage about the Holy Spirit teaching, not a passage about people not needing grace manifested by the Spirit.

Another proof of cessation.

The gifts were distributed to members according to the will of God. Today's 'distribution' is kind of skewed. Most members are given the easy ones like tongues and non is given the ability to interpret those tongues. If you do a survey even in this forum; amongst the continuationists, all of them speak in tongues and not a single one interprets. This is hardly a distribution, it is a mockery.

Of all the gifts which ones do you possess?

 

[Dino246]

Yeah right because you make such a sincere request.

For the cause of Roger

Fine... be a jackdonkey.

 

[Noose]

Unfortunately, your ignorance of Greek is showing. In Titus 2:11 and many other verses, the Greek word for grace is "charis" from which directly comes "charismatic"... as in... gifts.

Well, that 'charis' which comes directly from 'charismatic' is for all mankind according to Titus 2, not a portion of mankind.
See, your knowledge of Greek is not helping you at all.

 

[Dino246]

Which error is that confirming the warning at the end of cannon sealed with seven seals till the end of time?

Your inability to follow the thread of discussion amazes me. I told you exactly what your error was in my previous post.

 

[Dino246]

Well, that 'charis' which comes directly from 'charismatic' is for all mankind according to Titus 2, not a portion of mankind.
See, your knowledge of Greek is not helping you at all.

You got that backwards. "Charismatic" comes from "charis", not the other way around.

The grace unto salvation is offered to all people. That doesn't mean that every kind of grace is given to every person. Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians that not every gift is given to every individual.