Does the Bible prophesy a cashless society?

[Moses_Young]

I don't think misogyny is the MOTB but hatred of women is one of Satan's defining features.
Unless you want to throw out the first defining prophecy about the defeat of the devil. Gen 3:15

Satan does indeed hate mankind, which includes women. Genesis 3:15 which you refer to describes there will be enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed. My point was that women were a favourite tool of Satan's because they are more readily deceived, and that I doubt he would use a worldview (such as Islam as it currently is) at the end, which stifled the use of his favourite tool by constraining it (I'm presuming this was what was implied by "misogyny"). A woman can honestly believe she is doing a good thing while she is doing evil, which in my view, is more dangerous than a man who usually knows full well an evil he is doing. This is why Paul prohibited women from church eldership.

Daniel 11 gives us an overview of the theology of the seed of the serpent. Women don't want the god he honours.

We interpret Daniel 11 differently. Jesus Christ is the desire of women. Since God's promise to Eve, every righteous woman wanted to give birth to the Messiah. Mary was given that honour. The king being spoken of in Daniel will not give regard Jesus Christ.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

What you say about feminism is true but only when applied to the Western world in general.
The Bible is Middle-East centric throughout. If we focus solely on The state of American or European society we will miss much.
Things are deteriorating in the West and we are rightly concerned. But there has been a political- religious slavery of women in
The Middle East for over a millennium. Because you don't see it in The USA doesn't mean it isn't a fact of life.

The ill treatment of women in The Middle East doesn't register a blip on the radar of modern feminists because they are hypocrites. Bigamy and sex-slavery are common practice but they are silent. There is no handwringing over the women of Iran who have recently been murdered for the crime of removing their hijabs. A woman is jailed in Pakistan for her Christian faith but it's much easier to howl about Donald Trump than risk doing anything productive to help women who really are oppressed.

I believe what I said about Feminism applies the world over. It is an exercise in hypocrisy, similar to Communism and other evil religions. One of the examples you gave is Iran. Until the 1970s, women in Iran had similar freedom to those in the West, until the US put the Islamic regime in place. So it was the corrupted Western world that introduced the regime harmful to women in Iran. The women in Iran aren't allowed to go out without masks. Yes, that certainly constitutes oppression. But the men in Russia and Ukraine are forcibly sent off (often kidnapped and coerced) to fight and die in a war for Western corruption (again US and Western contrived). I'm not saying being forced to wear a mask is wrong, but of the two, I'd rather be forced to wear a mask than be forced to die in another man's war for profit. This is part of the evil and hypocrisy of feminism.

You can fixate on how the devil used Eve. It's useful for holding a grudge if that's what you want to do.
As an alternative you can look at how God used Eve to overcome the devil.

I'm not really fixating on how the devil used Eve. Just some people make out that oppression of women is the worst thing to the detriment of sense and discernment. I agree oppression of women is wrong, certainly. But oppression is not unique to women. Men and women the world over are being oppressed, and to focus on women only is foolhardy, and even dangerous. I would be much more wary of the leadership of European nations with their treasonous and conspiring women leaders, who speak honeyed words dripping poison, than a bunch of savages that despite their brutality, often speak forthrightly.

Your statements are a bit on the mysoginistic side.
"Satan loves women"
"women are the devil's favourite tools"

Well, I certainly don't mean to be misogynist. I like women. And I clarified what I said about Satan "loving" women (obviously he doesn't love them in the true sense of the word) - they are his favourite tools in high places or with power they shouldn't have, because they tend to act on emotion rather than prudence, and can be manipulated into doing evil despite good or innocent intent.

If you think women are the devil's favourite tools perhaps you might ponder why the antichrist figure (the seed of the serpent) is always typified as male.

The anti-Christ is male, and is outrightly evil. The devil often can't defeat the righteous with force, so he uses women to entice and deceive them.

This is too easy but I'll play the game.

Herod, Cain, Pharoah, Abimelech, Sisera, Sennacherib, Haman, King Jehoram.
All the pharisees & Sadducees who voted to put Jesus to death. Judas who betrayed him.
The antichrist figure.

My opinion of men in general is not shaped by the above list. The devil will always try to divide us. Satan and Eve are enemies,
Adam and Eve should not allow themselves to be divided against one another.

I'm not sure any of these are really valid examples, although antichrist figure comes closest in that he is an usurper, but not based on gender. The claim was made that the devil uses "Masculinism". I wouldn't regard any of the examples you cited as men who committed evil by nature of acting in roles these men weren't supposed to be in. However, the five females listed - Eve, Delilah, Jezebel, Herodias, Jezebel - all were. Instead of submitting to the male authority, they were usurping it, or were granted authority they were not entitled to. Hence my claim that the devil uses feminism (rather, and/or much moreso than misogyny).

 

[Moses_Young]

Spirit angels never had sex with men. That's a Jewish fable.

The bible is not a Jewish fable.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom.
Sons of God are neither male nor female. They bear their Father's image and likeness in their character and in their spirits.

What more can I say?

Is this really a thing in Christian circles: changes to DNA make one irreconcilable to God?! More Qanon garbage!

I don't believe there's any such thing as Qanon, so not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing it up.

 

[Lanolin]

Anyone work in retail?

if the EFTPOS machines go down you do have to take cash.

As they did temporarily at the supermarket the other day.

but the. theres the other thing where cash wont be accepted as legal tender if you have it for too long. Has anyone read Millions by Frank Cottrell Boyce.

Imagine having millions to spend and only a few days to spend it before it expires. You could spend it or use it for wallpaper after it expires.

 

[Aaron56]

Rather than correct you here, I'd suggest you read THIS thread to see that fallen angels dID mate with human women:

As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

Already saw that thread. Its premise, that demons can violate the natural laws of procreation, is stupid.

Flesh is corrupted by what one does: whatever comes out of the man's mouth corrupts the flesh of man and makes him unclean. Out of the heart comes evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander, etc. There's no DNA change here. Men of the earth were evil. The sons of God, who were supposed to represent God in the earth, became like the men of the earth in the lusts of their own hearts. Instead of remaining sanctified they corrupted themselves.

I think the real issue is that Christians cannot understand a righteousness before God that does not include Christ, as in the OT. The standard of righteousness was and has always been "do what I show you and tell you". By this, man would be righteous before God. The sons of God, from the line of Adam (typically the most senior male child), believed God and walked in His ways. By this, they became sons of God, putting on display God in the earth because they were like God in their thoughts, behavior, and words.

Today, although the Bible refers to us as God's children, God's sons, God's family, far more times than anything else, church-goers rarely refer to themselves as sons of God. It's because of the fables that spirit beings can have sex just because they want to. So, yeah, Jewish fables.

 

[PennEd]

Already saw that thread. Its premise, that demons can violate the natural laws of procreation, is stupid.

Flesh is corrupted by what one does: whatever comes out of the man's mouth corrupts the flesh of man and makes him unclean. Out of the heart comes evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander, etc. There's no DNA change here. Men of the earth were evil. The sons of God, who were supposed to represent God in the earth, became like the men of the earth in the lusts of their own hearts. Instead of remaining sanctified they corrupted themselves.

I think the real issue is that Christians cannot understand a righteousness before God that does not include Christ, as in the OT. The standard of righteousness was and has always been "do what I show you and tell you". By this, man would be righteous before God. The sons of God, from the line of Adam (typically the most senior male child), believed God and walked in His ways. By this, they became sons of God, putting on display God in the earth because they were like God in their thoughts, behavior, and words.

Today, although the Bible refers to us as God's children, God's sons, God's family, far more times than anything else, church-goers rarely refer to themselves as sons of God. It's because of the fables that spirit beings can have sex just because they want to. So, yeah, Jewish fables.

Oh that’s right. I remember now. You were one of the people that aren’t capable of believing VAST amounts of Biblical proof, and simply make declarative statements, with no Scriptural support.

Carry on then.

 

[Aaron56]

Oh that’s right. I remember now. You were one of the people that aren’t capable of believing VAST amounts of Biblical proof, and simply make declarative statements, with no Scriptural support.

Carry on then.

For understanding, you should ask the one who watches over your soul.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

A woman can honestly believe she is doing a good thing while she is doing evil, which in my view, is more dangerous than a man who usually knows full well an evil he is doing. This is why Paul prohibited women from church eldership.

So you believe a woman has no discernment between good and evil? What makes you believe that?

So it was the corrupted Western world that introduced the regime harmful to women in Iran. The women in Iran aren't allowed to go out without masks. Yes, that certainly constitutes oppression. But the men in Russia and Ukraine are forcibly sent off (often kidnapped and coerced) to fight and die in a war for Western corruption (again US and Western contrived). I'm not saying being forced to wear a mask is wrong, but of the two, I'd rather be forced to wear a mask than be forced to die in another man's war for profit. This is part of the evil and hypocrisy of feminism.

There are no more abuse women in the world than Muslim women. It's much more than wearing a mask. Under a strict regime they have utterly no say over their lives. They are given as young girls to older men. They are genitally mutilated for the pleasure of men. They are physically abused. And that man may have as many maids in his home as he wants to to satisfy himself sexually. And if women try to rise up against this abuse they are horribly maimed, if not outright murdered. A woman in a Muslim world fulfills two things, keep men sexually happy, raise children in Muslim faith while keeping the home. This has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with evil dressed as a religion.

I'm not really fixating on how the devil used Eve. Just some people make out that oppression of women is the worst thing to the detriment of sense and discernment. I agree oppression of women is wrong, certainly. But oppression is not unique to women. Men and women the world over are being oppressed, and to focus on women only is foolhardy, and even dangerous. I would be much more wary of the leadership of European nations with their treasonous and conspiring women leaders, who speak honeyed words dripping poison, than a bunch of savages that despite their brutality, often speak forthrightly.

Perhaps lets take a short walk through history. Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, Karl Marx. How many were killed under their reign? Millions? Our own "president" has said more honeyed words dripping poison than any female leader. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.-*++

they are his favourite tools in high places or with power they shouldn't have, because they tend to act on emotion rather than prudence, and can be manipulated into doing evil despite good or innocent intent.

Brother, you need to look around the world. Shoot back to Biden, he got Ukraine into war based on emotion and not prudence. Now we're stuck there giving them millions to what end?

The anti-Christ is male, and is outrightly evil. The devil often can't defeat the righteous with force, so he uses women to entice and deceive them.

If a man falls he falls because of his own lust and sin. They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

religions. One of the examples you gave is Iran. Until the 1970s, women in Iran had similar freedom to those in the West, until the US put the Islamic regime in place. So it was the corrupted Western world that introduced the regime harmful to women in Iran. The women in Iran aren't allowed to go out without masks. Yes, that certainly constitutes oppression. But the men in Russia and Ukraine are forcibly sent off (often kidnapped and coerced) to fight and die in a war for Western corruption (again US and Western contrived). I'm not saying being forced to wear a mask is wrong, but of the two, I'd rather be forced to wear a mask than be forced to die in another man's war for profit. This is part of the evil and hypocrisy of feminism.

This isn't a contest. Pick how you would rather die............................

The Islamic conquest of Persia began 1400 years ago. It had nothing to do with Westerners.
Muslims didn't simply acquire the formerly Christian, Jewish and pagan countries and regions known today as Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar – they brutally invaded them, forcibly converting, enslaving and murdering the inhabitants.

Masks? Some Iranian women were murdered last year for removing their head-coverings. Not masks.
In some regions the niqab is enforced. Everything covered except the eyes. Polygamy, brutal rape & torture are acceptable practises in times of war and peace. Nigerian Christian girls have endured kidnapping, forced conversions. Genital mutilation is acceptable in some
parts of Africa.

You will see that the hatred of women in this world is extreme if your focus is not narrowed to the modern trend in our part of the
world. Men and boys are abused too, I don't consider that any less abhorrent but Satan has a special hatred of women. We see the scritpure and we see the evidence.

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your seed and and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.’

My point was that women were a favourite tool of Satan's because they are more readily deceived

This is opinion.

 

[TheNarrowPath]

Moses what are you doing? Youre gonna have all the women coming for you

 

[Moses_Young]

This is opinion.

Saint Paul's opinion also, apparently. ;-)

1 Timothy 2:12 - 15
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

[Moses_Young]

So you believe a woman has no discernment between good and evil? What makes you believe that?

There are no more abuse women in the world than Muslim women. It's much more than wearing a mask. Under a strict regime they have utterly no say over their lives. They are given as young girls to older men. They are genitally mutilated for the pleasure of men. They are physically abused. And that man may have as many maids in his home as he wants to to satisfy himself sexually. And if women try to rise up against this abuse they are horribly maimed, if not outright murdered. A woman in a Muslim world fulfills two things, keep men sexually happy, raise children in Muslim faith while keeping the home. This has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with evil dressed as a religion.

I didn't respond to all of your post, as the discussion is deviating further from the original response I made (and certainly sufficiently far from the original post in this thread not to go further) - that I don't believe there's any scriptural evidence that "misogyny" will be the mark of the beast.

However, I wanted to respond to the point you made about Muslims practicing female genital mutilation (FGM), as I believe this is by far the most severe example of abuse (and similar arguments apply to the other examples raised). The practice of FGM is abhorrent to most Muslims, as well as most of the world, hence the international bans on the practice. It's actually practiced by old women on young women (men aren't involved), so I'd argue it's not an act of "misogyny" (unless these are "self-hating women", in which case we just go back to plain old evil and sin, not misogyny). It's also not done to keep men sexually happy - most red-blooded men - even Muslims - would find the practice of destroying the sexual sensitivity and features of their future wives detestable. Where its done, they try to justify it based on a few obscure religious texts, where they (i.e. proponents of the mutilation) try to compare the clitoris and other essential parts of female anatomy to the unneeded skin flap trimmed from males during circumcision. This has feminist overtones to me - trying to state females are the same as men, and resulting in disaster, rather than misogyny (hatred of women by men, simply for being women).

Although I believe the origins of such evils as FGM (also institutional rape, maiming etc.) are Satanic, these abuses are not a good way to deceive the world, as most in the world, despite their evil, are sickened by such practices.

I don't believe scripture gives any references to gender for the end-times deceptions (other than antichrist is a he), but I certainly don't believe there is scriptural evidence that the Mark of the Beast will have anything to do with "misogyny".

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I didn't respond to all of your post, as the discussion is deviating further from the original response I made (and certainly sufficiently far from the original post in this thread not to go further) - that I don't believe there's any scriptural evidence that "misogyny" will be the mark of the beast.

Surely, don't derail on a rabbit trail for me, I guess I was just looking for clarification rather than putting words in your mouth.

However, I wanted to respond to the point you made about Muslims practicing female genital mutilation (FGM), as I believe this is by far the most severe example of abuse (and similar arguments apply to the other examples raised). The practice of FGM is abhorrent to most Muslims, as well as most of the world, hence the international bans on the practice. It's actually practiced by old women on young women (men aren't involved), so I'd argue it's not an act of "misogyny" (unless these are "self-hating women", in which case we just go back to plain old evil and sin, not misogyny). It's also not done to keep men sexually happy - most red-blooded men - even Muslims - would find the practice of destroying the sexual sensitivity and features of their future wives detestable. Where its done, they try to justify it based on a few obscure religious texts, where they (i.e. proponents of the mutilation) try to compare the clitoris and other essential parts of female anatomy to the unneeded skin flap trimmed from males during circumcision. This has feminist overtones to me - trying to state females are the same as men, and resulting in disaster, rather than misogyny (hatred of women by men, simply for being women).
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Well I have read on FGM and from a female perspective and this is done to young women. It's not something they seek or ask for. And it is done for the sexual pleasure of men. That is the whole purpose. But I don't want to derail or get into sexual descriptions of FGM and the reason behind it. But I do believe there is someone here that has knowledge about it. I will let them speak if they wish but will leave it if they don't. I was surprised at how many around the world practice this. But in the last two yrs America has proven they are on the same level with transgender surgery for the underage. Child abuse in my opinion.

I don't believe scripture gives any references to gender for the end-times deceptions (other than antichrist is a he), but I certainly don't believe there is scriptural evidence that the Mark of the Beast will have anything to do with "misogyny".

Yes, we agree on that point.

 

[mustaphadrink]

If it does, is this something Christians should be concerned about and how will you survive this period where you cannot buy or sell unless you have the mark?

I already live in a cashless society. Haven't got 5 cents to me name.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I already live in a cashless society. Haven't got 5 cents to me name.

But you probably have two pennies to rub together.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It may be that you mean something else by "The Church of God" & I misunderstand. Please explain.

What he probably means is that from Revelation chapter 4, the word "church" or "churches" is absent from Revelation. And that is significant. The Tribulation and Great Tribulation are for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked. And the 6th and 7th seal judgments occupy most of Revelation.

 

[birdie]

If it does, is this something Christians should be concerned about and how will you survive this period where you cannot buy or sell unless you have the mark?

Thanks for your question TheNarrowPath.
What does this scripture mean: "Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. "? To me, this means that there are those who are not physically thirsty, but rather who are thirsty for salvation. They can get it. They "buy" it by Jesus having paid for their souls. The Bible uses the term 'buy' and 'bought' to describe being saved, 'bought' in the sense of Jesus paid the price for us by dying on the cross, in what would have been our place otherwise. Similarly, when someone is 'sold', it is referring to being sold into sin. We read, "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. " While Christians may or may not have much actual money, Jesus has bought them for a price, the price of himself. "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. "

There are some who are religious but not from God: "And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought " True believers are not in this group. God delivered just Lot from such: "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded ". He will deliver the true believers from those who appear religious but who are in the business of buying and selling souls in a false manner. He is faithful and can deliver.

 

[mustaphadrink]

But you probably have two pennies to rub together.

No, we don't have pennies here. Maybe pennies from heaven but that is about all.