Does the bible teach that Jesus is God?

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laura_charlotte said:
But we are not God,
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Are you sure that you are entirely right according to the knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT also in 'remembrance' and 'stir up of memory' to them?

Because this is what the Holy Scripture 'testifies', as it is written that;

John 10;34:
JESUS answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?"

Psalms 82;6,7:
I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you, nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince."

Genesis 1;26-30:
Then GOD said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the Heaven and over the lifestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. ........................................................................................"

They were all 'striped off' because of 'sin' and were 'dead' to GOD.

Romans 3;10
What then? Are the Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written; "None is righteous, no, not one, no one understands, no one seeks for GOD. All have turned aside, together they have become worthless, no one does good, not even one. ......................................."

Until CHRIST was sent by GOD, in our desperation for 'liberty', to 'free us' and 'sanctify' us through HIS words/teachings, that;

Galatians 4;1-7:
I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
But when the fullness of time had come, GOD sent forth HIS SON, born of woman(natural birth), born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoptions as sons. And because you are sons, GOD has sent the SPIRIT of HIS SON into our hearts, crying, "ABBA! FATHER!" So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through GOD.

Who are these people?

John 8;31,32:
So JESUS said to the Jews who had believed in HIM (and Gentiles alike after the 'resurrection', who 'believed' in HIM), "If you abide in MY word, you are truly MY disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

They answered HIM, "We are offspring of Abraham(as how a Christian would testify) and have never been enslaved to anyone(law or men). How is that you say, "You will become free?"

JESUS answered them( to everyone today too, 'claiming as heirs'), "Truly truly, I say to you, everyone who commits 'sin' is a slave to sin. The slaves does not remain in the house forever, the Son remain forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

Again, they are those who 'abide in CHRIST' and 'CHRIST's words abide in them' and so they too 'abide in HIS love' of the New Covenant and 'bear much fruit'. Where else, apart from CHRIST's, one can do nothing.
And verse 16, their fruits(the church) should 'abide', in accordance to the written Gospel of John 15;5-10 and 16.
 
fredjames said:
Are you sure that you are entirely right according to the knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT also in 'remembrance' and 'stir up of memory' to them?

Because this is what the Holy Scripture 'testifies', as it is written that;

John 10;34:
JESUS answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?"

Psalms 82;6,7:
I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you, nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince."

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These verses are not implying that man is deity. You are misrepresenting these passages.
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Jon4TheCross said:
35*Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it
that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? 36*For David
himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right
hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’[a] 37*Therefore David
himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”
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Christ quoted from Psalm 110:1 wherein there are two separate Hebrew
words for "lord".

The first is Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw') a.k.a. Yhvh, which is a name of the one
true god and nobody else.

The second is 'adown (aw-done') which is a very common word in the Old
Testament indicating not so much god, but rather, a superior. For example:
Sarah spoke of Abraham as her 'adown at Gen 18:12, Rachel addressed her
dad by 'adown at Gen 31:5, and Jacob addressed his brother Esau by 'adown
at Gen 33:8.

So the question is: How is anybody but God superior to David seeing as how
according to Psalm 89 David is God's firstborn: the highest of all kings?

Since there is no intermediate ranking in between the paterfamilias and the
firstborn, then the Pharisees were forced to conclude that the 'adown of Ps
110:1, if not the one true god, is at least equal in rank to the one true god.
So; Jesus' question is: How did one of David's sons achieve this remarkable
rank?

Of course they had no clue, and anything they might suggest would just be
conjecture, if not downright blasphemous because according to Isa 40:25
and Isa 46:5, the Jews' god has no equals.

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prove-all said:
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour,
and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace,

all the letters greet about the same
from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

they never greets the Holy spirit though for some reason,
would that be not rude if it was a he, and where is his throne?

now or in the milliliam or world to come,
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I love all the scripture you posted. I just want to point out that the Holy Spirit is a 'he' not an 'it'. Within of the verse of Romans 8:26 is the phrase, "...but the Spirit Himself..." This shows that the Holy Spirit is not a thing, but a person. Matthew 28:19 says we need to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the Trinity- the one God with three parts (beings).
 
John 1: 1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
 
laura_charlotte said:
The bible teaches that God is not his creation. He is the creator, and we are the created. Big distinction. Big difference. Jesus was unique. He (being eternally God) took on a human body, entered into our dimensional reality, while simultaneously maintaining his divinity. He prayed to the Father, and performed the miracles he did in the power of the Holy Spirit. The trinity in action. But we are not God, neither are angels, demons, or any other of Gods creations. There is only one God.
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I used to believe in the trinity. Now I disbelieve it: One God and one Jesus.
 
Kaycie said:
I love all the scripture you posted. I just want to point out that the Holy Spirit is a 'he' not an 'it'. Within of the verse of Romans 8:26 is the phrase, "...but the Spirit Himself..." This shows that the Holy Spirit is not a thing, but a person. .
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you are welcome.

How does the Bible reference the Holy Spirit? John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; 1 Peter 1:11;
John 14:16-17, 26; 16:7-8, 13.

Normally, the Holy Spirit is referred to as “it” in the King James. In the 14th, 15th and 16th chapters of John,
it is personified as one who brings help; therefore, the word comforter is used, along with the English pronouns he and him.

Grammatically, all Greek pronouns must agree in gender with the nouns to which they refer.

The Greek parakletos (comforter) is masculine in gender, so translators used the personal pronouns he and him for the Greek masculine pronouns. In many languages, a word’s gender has nothing to do with whether the thing itself is literally male or female. For example, the Spanish word mesa (table) is feminine. Gender in language is a mere grammatical tool.
In Greek, as in English, the word spirit is neuter—neither masculine nor feminine in gender. Pneuma is the Greek word meaning “spirit.” It is always grammatically neuter, properly represented by the English pronoun “it” (John 1:32; Romans 8:16).

The Family of God

realize why the truth about the trinity doctrine is so important.

By making the Holy Spirit into a person, it implies that God is forever limited to three individuals.
It denies the very purpose for which God created mankind!
 
The Trinity lie

In a.d. 325, the Roman emperor Constantine called the Nicene Council to settle several religious controversies,
which included arguments about belief in a trinity. Constantine was not a “Christian” then, but as political ruler,
he assumed control of the church. The religious council approved the trinity doctrine,
and Constantine made it law throughout the empire.

But he was not able to make it the truth!

The word “trinity” is not used in the Bible. That is because God is not a trinity!
A key to understanding God’s true nature is understanding the Holy Spirit.

1. Does 1 John 5:7-8 prove that God is composed of three divine persons?

Notice this! Verses 7 and 8 should actually read: “For there are three that bear record, the Spirit,
and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”

The 1611 King James Version includes additional words, but these are omitted from most
modern Bible translations—for good reason: They are spurious—fraudulent!

They did not appear in any respectable Greek manuscript. They appear in a fourth-century Latin text, probably as a marginal note by a copyist who believed in the trinity doctrine. These extra words entered the text of the Latin Vulgate by the eighth century after Christ. Editors of Bible commentaries both liberal and conservative, both old and new, agree that the origin of the King James text in 1 John 5:7-8 is fraudulent.
 
What is the Spirit of God? Jeremiah 32:17; Genesis 1:1-3; Psalm 104:30.

The Bible says the Spirit of God is the power by which God creates.
John 1:1 reveals that in the beginning, there was God and the Word (who became Christ).

The Word created the universe using the Spirit of God. Spirit energy was literally transformed
into the material creation (Hebrews 11:3).

It was by this same power that God renewed the surface of the Earth.

How did the Word use His Spirit of power to create? Psalm 148:1-5. Notice the word commanded.
Also read Psalm 33:8-9 and Genesis 1:2-3.

The Word “spake, and it was done.” He willed that spirit energy emanating from Himself to transform
into physical energy and matter. That is how the creation of the universe was accomplished.


Is God’s Spirit omnipresent? Psalm 139:7-8; Jeremiah 23:24.
What does God use to sustain His vast creation? Hebrews 1:2-3; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 66:7.

God’s Spirit is everywhere, like the atmosphere on Earth. It is the power God uses to rule everything.
It is what the Word used to do the work of creating. God uses this power much as man uses electrical energy.

That is how Christ is “upholding all things by the word of his power.” Under the Father, He uses His authority as God
and the power of the God Family to keep everything in the universe in its place.

Though the Father is supreme in the God Family (John 14:28), Jesus is the administrator of the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). The Spirit is not a personality, but rather the very power of God—the power by which God does His will.

It is not another person! if it is where is his throne in the world to come, or anytime ?
 
There is a definite reason why Satan, the arch-deceiver, wanted this false doctrine introduced into false Christianity. The trinity doctrine is his attempt to do away with the heart of the gospel Jesus Christ preached. It limits God to only three—with no possibility of expansion! But the truth—the gospel that Jesus Christ brought from God the Father—is that God is not a trinity, but a Family!

That is truth Satan wants to hide from mankind!

1. Does Genesis 1:1 speak of one God?

The English word “God” is translated from the Hebrew word Elohim.
This is a collective noun (like family, church, group—one noun consisting of two or more members).

God is not a trinity. God is a Family composed of, so far, the two Personages mentioned in John 1:1. However, the God Family will not always be composed of only two divine beings. God is in the process of expanding His divine Family!

Many thousands have already been begotten by God’s Spirit and will soon be born into His Family at the return of Jesus Christ—either by a resurrection from the dead or an instantaneous change.

In the future, billions will eventually be born into the Family of God!

Jesus Christ, by His resurrection, was born a divine Son of God (Romans 1:4). But He is only the firstborn of many brethren who will also be born into the God Family (Romans 8:29). God the Father is the divine Father of the God Family, and when we who are now the Spirit-begotten sons of God are born into His divine Family at Christ’s return, we shall be like God (1 John 3:2), for we shall then be the Spirit-born sons of God! God is not a trinity.

God is so much more—a Family! ▪
 
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Kaycie said:
I love all the scripture you posted. I just want to point out that the Holy Spirit is a 'he' not an 'it'. Within of the verse of Romans 8:26 is the phrase, "...but the Spirit Himself..." This shows that the Holy Spirit is not a thing, but a person. Matthew 28:19 says we need to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the Trinity- the one God with three parts (beings).
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Also notice that Romans 8.26-28 expresses the veracity that when prayer is prompted by and through the Holy Spirit we are caught up in the free and open communication that takes place between the Holy Spirit and God the Father (thus, there is distinction between Father/Holy Spirit by way of communication),

"In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Romans 8.26-28)
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prove-all said:
Being with God before time began, preceeds gen.
being in one accord as like me and my wife, or the current true church should be.
no start of days
gen. shows there was more than one
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with all true gentleness in yahshua hamashiach's grace and unmeasurable spirit poured out on his own,

his true ekklesia ARE IN UNION WITH HIM (see how often in the NT HE SAYS SO) in and with YAHWEH.

note the condition. as you wrote it "the current <TRUE> church" --- i.e. those who are REALLY REALLY HIS,
not any deceived ones among, no hypocrites, no thieves, no spiritual fornicators nor adulterers, no liars,

no one controlled by demons, nor by greed, nor by the power of the world or of flesh or of hasatan....

only found and seen by the pure in heart; the holy ones as paul wrote in the first verse or so of Ephesians,

by those abiding (continuing fully and completely in Christ Jesus through all trials and persecutions and dangers and snares and through all difficulties even unto death without drawing back).

this is true. this is rare. this is as it is written. read it and verify it prayerfully and with thanksgiving and
with
a well-spring of joy and overflowing peace and righteousness IN HIM AS HE DOES THIS ......

seek and keep seeking and never give up.....
 
Revelation 12:9,verse reveals that the whole world has been deceived! And 2 Corinthians 4:4 corroborates this.

Satan is not only very real, he is also incredibly successful: He has deceived not only atheists and non-Christians,
but almost all Christians as well!

Satan did not accomplish this feat by denying Christ outright. He did it by creating a great false church

—one that still bears Christ’s name today. Counterfeit Christianity

The origin of that counterfeit Christianity is recorded in Acts 8. Two years after Jesus founded the Church of God,
the deacon Philip went to Samaria and preached Christ’s gospel. Samaria was dominated by the influence of Simon,
a sorcerer who had bewitched the inhabitants (Acts 8:9-11). Along with the crowd,
Simon himself came to hear what Philip had to say.

When Simon’s followers believed Philip, who was preaching Christ and the Kingdom of God, what did they do? Acts 8:12. Did Simon join them? Verse 13.

When the apostles Peter and John came to Samaria to lay hands on the newly baptized so they could receive the Holy Spirit, what did Simon try to do? Verses 18-19. How did Peter respond? Verses 20-23.

Though he had been baptized, Simon was not converted to true Christianity—he attempted to buy what he thought was
the power to impart God’s Spirit. Peter knew this man’s attitude was totally wrong; he only wanted more power to further exalt himself!

How did Simon react? Verse 24.

This request was insincere—far from repentance from such an evil mindset.

The account ends there. But Simon’s work did not.
 
The sorcerer went on to proclaim himself an apostle. He proclaimed the name of Jesus Christ. He accepted the doctrine of “grace” for forgiveness of sin, something the pagan religions never had.

He even called his religion “Christianity.” But he mixed these “Christian” ideas with his own pagan Babylonian mystery religion! Using the power of Christ’s name, he taught un-Christian doctrines. He turned the doctrine of grace into a license to sin (Jude 4) and aspired to turn his counterfeit religion into a universal faith that would gain political rule over the world!

Simon—the “Pater,” or father, of this counterfeit religion—did not accomplish his goal in his lifetime. But succeeding leaders, with the church’s headquarters moved to Rome, did later gain political control over the Roman Empire and its medieval successor, the “Holy Roman Empire.”

(This empire is again being resurrected in Europe now!)

Even in that first century, Simon’s religion grew rapidly. The Apostle Paul indicated that by the 60s a.d., much of the Middle East had turned from the true gospel to a clever counterfeit! (Galatians 1:6-7).

This “Christian” counterfeit is actually the source of the trinity doctrine!
 
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Most have falsely assumed that God is composed of three personages: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

And yet, as popular as this particular belief is, in the minds of most, it is a vague concept shrouded
in a cloud of mystery. As it says in A Handbook of Christian Truth, “

The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the trinity.

He who would try to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind. But he who would deny the trinity will lose his soul.”

If you try to understand it, you’ll go crazy. And yet, if you reject it, you will supposedly lose your salvation! Notice this candid remark from The New Catholic Encyclopedia: “It is difficult … to offer a clear, objective, and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and the theological elaboration of the mystery of the trinity.”

The reason there is no straightforward explanation is because it’s not biblical.

Notice the candid admission of one world-famous evangelist who teaches this doctrine: “When I first began to study the Bible years ago, the doctrine of the trinity was one of the most complex problems I had to encounter. I have never fully resolved it, for it contains an aspect of mystery .… To explain and illustrate the trinity is one of the most difficult assignments .…”

When even religionists admit they don’t comprehend who they worship, is there any hope you can understand God’s identity? Yes! It starts not with researching trinitarian orthodoxy, but with examining some illuminating verses right in your own Bible.
 
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation


Why does the Holy Spirt gets special treatment ?
 
Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit is something that permanently mutates/pollutes/defiles, because of the requirements to even be capable of such a thing...which I certainly am not going to explain.
 
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