Does the new covenant affirm or deny the OT?
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Well i think that they did until Peter received the revelation about the Gentiles being allowed into the Kingdom. And subsequently through Paul's teachings. The verses you quoted were very early in the Church's history, well before the advent of the Gentiles and abrogation of the law. The Hebrew verses are typologies, as much as the sacrifices were. Christ was the final atonement, and the second coming will inaugurate the final Sabbath. Observing days and festivals are acts of works, they are rituals that foreshadowed what was to come.
The Sabbath was made for us, yes, meaning we don't accommodate ourselves to it, it accommodates us, as far as the hierarchy goes, and its inferiority to better things.
Why do Christians still follow a weekly ritual reminiscent of the Sabbath, that's a Catholic interpolation, as much as penance is (reminiscent of continual animal sacrifice)
Paul's preaching in the synagogues on the Sabbath, was not a sanctified ritual for him, but a place to find potential converts. He became like Jews in order to save them.
The Sabbath was made for us, yes, meaning we don't accommodate ourselves to it, it accommodates us, as far as the hierarchy goes, and its inferiority to better things.
Why do Christians still follow a weekly ritual reminiscent of the Sabbath, that's a Catholic interpolation, as much as penance is (reminiscent of continual animal sacrifice)
Paul's preaching in the synagogues on the Sabbath, was not a sanctified ritual for him, but a place to find potential converts. He became like Jews in order to save them.
No, i think that every day should be in remembrance of him. Why be selective and calculated. Daily say your prayers and show your reverence. What one does at church on a weekly basis, i do every night at home, as i'm inclined to believe that so do you, and almost every member on this site (for the sake of argument).
BTW, i think that i just understood your 2nd last post, ...yes, the sabbath was a Saturday according to Jewish law. They were to observe it weekly, if not, death penalty.
BTW, i think that i just understood your 2nd last post, ...yes, the sabbath was a Saturday according to Jewish law. They were to observe it weekly, if not, death penalty.
Well, no, Ghoti2, the original point was the Sabbath of the 10 commandments, which i said was abrogated, this was a weekly observance that was compulsory to follow. The other 'Sabbaths' were not part of the discussion. This weekly practice is over for Christians, which was my original point.
Exodus 31:15
31:15. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
I am not foresaking the assembly, just remarking of the dissolvement of the Sabbath in Christian doctrine, and why it is not fundamentally necessary to observe it. Congregate as you like, but the frequency, duration and location do not have a mandatory criteria.
Exodus 31:15
31:15. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
I am not foresaking the assembly, just remarking of the dissolvement of the Sabbath in Christian doctrine, and why it is not fundamentally necessary to observe it. Congregate as you like, but the frequency, duration and location do not have a mandatory criteria.
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Well, they kind of do have to be regularly scheduled at a designated place that can facilitate the hundreds of people who will congregate on a known periodic basis. (Seating, lighting, parking, etc.) It would be a bit haphazard if people just wandered in or out whenever they happened to think about it. And the particular day of the week isn't mentioned.
True, BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY!!!
Have you forgotten the original point, you keep digressing and changing the topic.
You said "I can't think of any of the Ten Commandments that is outdated and of no use to us"
I said, "But the weekly Sabbath that was part of the 10 c, namely #4, and that was punishable by death, has ended and has no use for Christians" (Paraphrase)
Or, have I somehow got onto another thread by mistake (excuse the sarcasm)?
Have you forgotten the original point, you keep digressing and changing the topic.
You said "I can't think of any of the Ten Commandments that is outdated and of no use to us"
I said, "But the weekly Sabbath that was part of the 10 c, namely #4, and that was punishable by death, has ended and has no use for Christians" (Paraphrase)
Or, have I somehow got onto another thread by mistake (excuse the sarcasm)?
If God cancels something, you had better believe it. Otherwise you would find yourself among the unbelieving Jews of the world today.
Yes, all of Scripture is holy and all of it is divine revelation. But within that revelation we find that for about 1500 years God allowed Israel to see the types and shadows of Christ in all that was found within the Old Covenant [NOT THE OLD TESTAMENT OR TANAHK. The Old Covenant (or the Law of Moses) is only a part of the entire Old Testament.]
So it is God HIMSELF, and Christ HIMSELF, who set aside the Old Covenant in favor of the New Covenant. But your attitude is that GOD WAS MISTAKEN. You are wiser than God.
Yes, all of Scripture is holy and all of it is divine revelation. But within that revelation we find that for about 1500 years God allowed Israel to see the types and shadows of Christ in all that was found within the Old Covenant [NOT THE OLD TESTAMENT OR TANAHK. The Old Covenant (or the Law of Moses) is only a part of the entire Old Testament.]
So it is God HIMSELF, and Christ HIMSELF, who set aside the Old Covenant in favor of the New Covenant. But your attitude is that GOD WAS MISTAKEN. You are wiser than God.
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It seems to me that one fundamental rule of understanding scripture is to always think of it as a whole, never pick one verse without relating it to all others. If we relate Col. 2:16 to all scripture, we find it stands alone, without other scripture confirming it. That means we must question our interpretation of it. Other scripture tell us that God looks as our times, counts weeks and seasons. We also do so, we celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th. At the time this scripture was given the pagans were very alive and well in the world and their rites were usually season based. It could be this scripture relates to that.
Also, there is no scripture cancelling this commandment. Some people say that anything Christ did not repeat is cancelled, but that idea is something man tells us not scripture.
I also think that we need to look at how many times something is repeated in scripture to see it's importance to the Lord. The command to honor the Sabbath is repeated over and over.
Also, there is no scripture cancelling this commandment. Some people say that anything Christ did not repeat is cancelled, but that idea is something man tells us not scripture.
I also think that we need to look at how many times something is repeated in scripture to see it's importance to the Lord. The command to honor the Sabbath is repeated over and over.
I think that either a few posters have forgotten the OP's question, or else they have never really read all of the 613 Jewish rules. I think they have the idea those rules are all about nothing but killing bulls on holidays or not wearing polyester shirts.
Nothing was ever mention about, Would you be cheered as being a swell NT Christian for sleeping with your sister, or having sex with an animal, or even abusing it... or about cheating your customers in business... or building a house dangerously… and on and on for a whole host of other things. But they ARE in the Jewish law. And we are not at liberty, today, to just throw all those rules of living right out the window because "We now have a new covenant."
All that was asked is if any of them are applicable or useful to us today.
And I say many of them are.
Nothing was ever mention about, Would you be cheered as being a swell NT Christian for sleeping with your sister, or having sex with an animal, or even abusing it... or about cheating your customers in business... or building a house dangerously… and on and on for a whole host of other things. But they ARE in the Jewish law. And we are not at liberty, today, to just throw all those rules of living right out the window because "We now have a new covenant."
All that was asked is if any of them are applicable or useful to us today.
And I say many of them are.
I know it is early in the day, but try reading what I wrote, not what you want it to say.
I live by most of the laws God gave. The first being that I (and you) have only one god. And if you were to go through the list, I am sure there are close to at least a hundred of them I firmly believe God still expects us to follow. And I try to.
I live by most of the laws God gave. The first being that I (and you) have only one god. And if you were to go through the list, I am sure there are close to at least a hundred of them I firmly believe God still expects us to follow. And I try to.
There's two things; the covenant and the law.
The covenant carries the law and the law is the word of God. The word of God doesn't become obsolete nor can it be made better- the heavens and earth will pass but it shall remain. It is the old carrier (covenant) that was made obsolete because they (Jews) did not understand. The new covenant has made the law to be understood - it is about love.
The covenant carries the law and the law is the word of God. The word of God doesn't become obsolete nor can it be made better- the heavens and earth will pass but it shall remain. It is the old carrier (covenant) that was made obsolete because they (Jews) did not understand. The new covenant has made the law to be understood - it is about love.
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