Does Tithing bring Material Abundance per Mal 3:10? 100 Bible Verses on Tithing.

[Blik]

That's too simplistic.

God gave specific truths to the Jews, for the Jews to follow. Those truths are there for us to learn, but not to follow.

God gave specific truths to individuals, which He does not expect other individuals to follow. Again, God intends us to learn from all Scripture, but not necessarily to follow it.

God gave specific truths to the Church, which He did not expect ancient Jews to follow... indeed, they couldn't because they did not have God's Spirit.

I think it is important to understand that God never gives instructions or truths to one group of people, God always, I feel certain, sees people as his creation. When he told Israel to be circumcised the nations could follow those instructions, and belong to the one true God.

When Christ came, Christ took away the fleshly commands given in the OT as a guide to the spirit of the law. and now spoke directly to our spirits.

The gentiles of the OT did not accept a word of the instructions to the Jews, so when God took away the commands that were to the flesh, it worked out that if you believe God acts differently to Jews than to gentiles, it results in the same thing. Not anything big.

 

[Dino246]

I think it is important to understand that God never gives instructions or truths to one group of people

You are simply incorrect. God did indeed give instructions and truths to one group of people: ancient Israel.

Did He give the Law to the Chinese? or to the Mayans? or even to the Moabites? No. He gave the Law to ancient Israel, period.

God always, I feel certain, sees people as his creation.

Agreed.

When he told Israel to be circumcised the nations could follow those instructions, and belong to the one true God.

But He did not give those instructions to the other nations; only to Israel. Individuals from other nations could join with Israel, but entire nations could not.

When Christ came, Christ took away the fleshly commands given in the OT as a guide to the spirit of the law. and now spoke directly to our spirits.

No argument there.

The gentiles of the OT did not accept a word of the instructions to the Jews, so when God took away the commands that were to the flesh, it worked out that if you believe God acts differently to Jews than to gentiles, it results in the same thing. Not anything big.

Now there is no difference; then there was a difference.

 

[CS1]

Regarding the question in the OP.....first part:

Tithing may or may not bring a person material wealth through the blessing of God. However, any person who tithes JUST to receive materlal wealth WILL NOT be blessed by God, for their tithe is NOT from a good heart.

Scripture says to not seek your own treasure but seek anothers gain.........


We DIE to SELF......right?

well, we are suppose to anyway...

People who teach material wealth "name it, claim it" ideology are false teachers IMO.

The Catholic Religion is a perfect example of how we are NOT to serve God.

Jesus said Luke 6:38

"Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back.”NLT

The NASB

"Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

IT was the Lord Jesus who said that not Clefo Dallor or Ore Roberts but the Lord Jesus. I believe him
and I have never out gave the Lord in anything.

 

[Bluesproverb]

The tithes in biblical times were different than today.

A church congregation bringing baskets of bread,fruits, vegetables, boxes of meats, canned goods, diapers, baby food, formula, gently worn clothing, etc... to pile before the pulpit to feed and clothe the pastor and family and the needy in the community does not allow for multimillion dollar pastoral estates, Rolls Royce leases, and private jets.

I've only heard of one pastor who works for his living. He's a Realtor.
All the tithes that come into his church serve the church, his global ministry, and the needy in his congregation.

As he says, ''that's Bible!''

And he's right.

When the pastor of a church rolls into the parking lot in a new Bentley, leave!

Jesus and his Disciples walked everywhere they went.
Jesus told them, when they start their mission to deliver the gospel, leave their purses at home. Let those receiving them and the good news sustain them.

Good advice. Heavenly even.
Rich pastors? Forget the parable of the rich man and the eye of the needle.

God shall remind them in due time.

No Rolls Royces parked outside heaven's gate. No Lear's making a landing.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I think it is important to understand that God never gives instructions or truths to one group of people, God always, I feel certain, sees people as his creation. When he told Israel to be circumcised the nations could follow those instructions, and belong to the one true God.

When Christ came, Christ took away the fleshly commands given in the OT as a guide to the spirit of the law. and now spoke directly to our spirits.

The gentiles of the OT did not accept a word of the instructions to the Jews, so when God took away the commands that were to the flesh, it worked out that if you believe God acts differently to Jews than to gentiles, it results in the same thing. Not anything big.

I know what you're saying.

However, you might consider how just the practice of denominationalism has divided the church.

Even the identity, 'the Elect of God', 'God's Elect', is interpreted as God sustaining and choosing one group of people among all people.

And it's true. Jesus told us, told his Disciples, he taught the gospel in parables so not all would understand and come into repentance.
Matthew 13.

Why is Christianity in toto, Protestant and Catholic, the most populace faith on earth?

The ancestors of the church killed those opposed. And converted those who survived.

What an exclusive! The power responsible for creating all in existence has spoken to one group of people. Saved one group of people.

As he wills.

 

[Blik]

You are simply incorrect. God did indeed give instructions and truths to one group of people: ancient Israel.

Did He give the Law to the Chinese? or to the Mayans? or even to the Moabites? No. He gave the Law to ancient Israel, period.

I think those instructions were directed to the Israel, but all they are truth for all of God's creation. God created the Chinese, Mayans, Moabites. I believe we are to read and listen to them as God's creation, not as a race apart. When we learn about our God, we find God accepts all people, looks at all as the same.

 

[Dino246]

I think those instructions were directed to the Israel, but all they are truth for all of God's creation. God created the Chinese, Mayans, Moabites. I believe we are to read and listen to them as God's creation, not as a race apart. When we learn about our God, we find God accepts all people, looks at all as the same.

Again, you are incorrect. We should read them to know the history if Israel and to know the fruitlessness of attempting to be righteous by the Law.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Big surprise, Christian tithing was invented by Catholicism. It's not a New Testament teaching.

Formal legislation was passed on tithing at the third council of the Synod of Mâcon in 585. The Council of Trent declared that anyone who failed to tithe was to be excommunicated.

Regardless of what Catholics say about tithing today, wherever you find a heresy or false doctrine look no further than Babylon for its source.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Big surprise, Christian tithing was invented by Catholicism. It's not a New Testament teaching.

Formal legislation was passed on tithing at the third council of the Synod of Mâcon in 585. The Council of Trent declared that anyone who failed to tithe was to be excommunicated.

Regardless of what Catholics say about tithing today, wherever you find a heresy or false doctrine look no further than Babylon for its source.

The practice of Indulgences after the RCC's invention of Purgatory, makes it impossible to ignore their idolizing money.

Hardly anything is free in the church's practice.

Veneration of the dead, as some call it necromancy, idol worship, polytheism, thinking Mary is to be revered as co-redemptrux, and more.
The Catholic church is paganism. Making a fortune beneath the veneer of Christ.
Catholics trust and believe in the church to lead them to oneness with God.

Sad. Over a billion people.

 

[Blik]

Again, you are incorrect. We should read them to know the history if Israel and to know the fruitlessness of attempting to be righteous by the Law.

It gives me a chuckle, your "you are incorrect". As if you are the absolute authority.

You cannot be righteous by the law, and that has nothing to do with the truth that God always speaks truth, and that truth is true for everyone.

 

[Dino246]

It gives me a chuckle, your "you are incorrect". As if you are the absolute authority.

You cannot be righteous by the law, and that has nothing to do with the truth that God always speaks truth, and that truth is true for everyone.

I don’t need any authority at all to tell you that you’re wrong; I only need to know how to distinguish wrong from right.

The Law was for Israel, not for the Church. That’s the truth.

 

[Blik]

I don’t need any authority at all to tell you that you’re wrong; I only need to know how to distinguish wrong from right.

The Law was for Israel, not for the Church. That’s the truth.

Matthew 5:18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[p_rehbein]

Big surprise, Christian tithing was invented by Catholicism. It's not a New Testament teaching.

Tithing, in one form or another, was part of life in the Old Testament, AND part of live with the institution of the New Covenant. The Apostles participated and taught tithing.

People say "back then they tithed crops and such, not money." Most did sure, however, most did not have money to tithe. They tithed of their "wealth." Which was their crops. But do not forget the poor lady who tithed her ALL. All two cents!

And, in the New Covenant, folks tithed both crops and money such as they had. They gave to those in need, and they gave to support the Apostle Pauls ministry. As well as other reasons.

I know how much some hate "tithing." I truly do not care. If a person tithes or does not tithe IMO is between them and God. It is He they must justify not tithing, or explain why they tithed.

As for me and my house, we will tithe and believe it will be far easier to tell God we did so "of a cheerful heart" to benifit His Kingdom and its work.

 

[Beckie]

Reading the Scriptures we can see a huge difference between the way man viewed "the law" and how Jesus never broke on of them.

 

[Jackson123]

[article continued with list of Bible Citations]

1. 1 Chronicles 29:2–3: (King David said to God’s people) “With all my resources I have provided for the temple of my God—gold…silver…bronze…iron…wood…onyx…turquoise…all kinds of fine stone and marble-- all of these in large quantities. In my devotion to the temple of my God I now give my personal treasures of gold and silver for the temple of my God, over and above everything I have provided.
2. 1 Chronicles 29:5–8: (King David said to the leaders) “Who is willing to consecrate himself today to the LORD?" Then the leaders of families…officers…commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds…and the officials…gave willingly. They gave toward the work on the temple of God gold…silver…bronze…iron. Any who had precious stones gave them to the treasury of the temple of the LORD.
3. 1 Chronicles 29:9: The people rejoiced at the willing response of their leaders, for they had given freely and wholeheartedly to the LORD. David the king also rejoiced greatly.
4. 1 Chronicles 29:11–12: Everything in heaven and earth is Yours, O LORD. Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.
5. 1 Chronicles 29:13–14: (David prayed to God) “God, we give you thanks, and praise your glorious name. "But who am I, and who are my people, that we should be able to give as generously as this? Everything comes from you, and we have given you only what comes from your hand.”
6. 1 Chronicles 29:16: LORD our God, as for all this abundance that we have provided for building you a temple for your Holy Name, it comes from your hand, and all of it belongs to you.
7. I Chronicles 29:17: (David prayed to God) “I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity. All these (offerings) I have given willingly and with honest intent. And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you.”
8. Ezra 2:68–69: Families gave freewill offerings toward the rebuilding of the house of God. According to their ability they gave to the treasury for this work.
9. Deuteronomy 28:12: The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.
10. Psalm 50:10: Every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills…the creatures of the field are mine… the world is mine, and all that is in it.
11. Deuteronomy 8:18: Remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth.
12. Deuteronomy 16:10: Celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the LORD your God by giving a freewill offering in proportion to the blessings the LORD your God has given you.
13. Deuteronomy 16:16: No man should appear before the LORD empty-handed.
14. Deuteronomy 16:17: Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the LORD your God has blessed you.
15. Isaiah 32:8: The noble man makes noble plans, and by noble deeds he stands.

Tithing in the New Testament
Many people know the old testament references to tithing, but what does the bible say about paying tithes in the New Testament? Is tithing in the New Testament, or was it a concept only found in the Old Testament? Let’s take a look at the following New Testament scriptures.

1. Matthew 23:23: "Woe to you, teachers of the law…You give a tenth…But you have neglected the more important matters-- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
2. Luke 6:38: If you give, you will get! Your gift will return to you in full and overflowing measure, pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, and running over. Whatever measure you use to give-- large or small-- will be used to measure what is given back to you.
3. Luke 6:38: Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
4. Luke 18:9–14: He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
5. Matthew 6:1–4: Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
6. 2 Corinthians 8:2–2: Out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the saints.
7. 2 Corinthians 8:5: They gave themselves first to the Lord and then to us in keeping with God's will.
8. 2 Corinthians 8:7: Just as you excel in everything-- in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in your love for us-- see that you also excel in this grace of giving.
9. 2 Corinthians 8:10–11: Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so. Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means.
10. 2 Corinthians 8:12: If the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.
11. 2 Corinthians 8:20–21: We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men.

it seem we do not obligate tithing but if you honestly give the Lord will bless you, it may not make you filthy rich but enough for your basic need

 

[Aaron56]

Tithing was always a part of the priesthood of Melchizedek, which stretches back to Adam and continues into today through Christ. The law, introduced 430 years after the promises of the holy nation covenant vested in Abraham, did not annul the covenant confirmed between God the Son and God the Father. This is what Galatians is all about.

 

[Blik]

Reading the Scriptures we can see a huge difference between the way man viewed "the law" and how Jesus never broke on of them.

We see a huge difference in the law, itself, between how the old testament speaks of the law and how the new testament speaks of that very same law. The law given in stone, given as rules to follow becomes a different law when it is given as love to our hearts, as Christ gave it.

Obedience to the law becomes the difference between obeying the letter of the law and the spirit of the law that is love.

 

[Dino246]

Matthew 5:18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And...? Spell out what you are implying.

 

[Dino246]

Tithing was always a part of the priesthood of Melchizedek, which stretches back to Adam and continues into today through Christ. The law, introduced 430 years after the promises of the holy nation covenant vested in Abraham, did not annul the covenant confirmed between God the Son and God the Father. This is what Galatians is all about.

One verse is nowhere near enough to support your assertion.

 

[Bluesproverb]

It gives me a chuckle, your "you are incorrect". As if you are the absolute authority.

You cannot be righteous by the law, and that has nothing to do with the truth that God always speaks truth, and that truth is true for everyone.

You're correct. There are many a church that teach what some call replacement theology.

It's this idea that because the Jews insured Jesus would be executed [''let his blood be upon our heads and the heads of our children.''. ] God in return replaced them as his elect and made the Gentiles the elect of God.

As such all that pertained to Jewish tradition whatever is done away. Gentiles are now the blessed. Gentiles means 'nations'.

The believers in RT are in error of course. As are those who think God's law does not apply to Christians.

You're not incorrect. The Bible tells us they are.

''For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.''
Romans 2:13-16 ESV