Dogs Returning To Their Vomit
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If you want to explain away plainly written scriptures, that is your choice. I'm not going to go over plainly written posts to "prove you wrong" or "prove I'm right" to seesaw back & forth with you or anyone else for the sake of a useless argument.
What I will say is this: Accept the plainly written Word of God as God intended for it to be. "Maybe's" & "possibly's" don't cut it.
Please believe God's word as it is before it's too late.
What I will say is this: Accept the plainly written Word of God as God intended for it to be. "Maybe's" & "possibly's" don't cut it.
Please believe God's word as it is before it's too late.
You give your interpretation and he gives his.
before you warn someone, You better warn yourself!
I really do not see any need to go further. You do not seem to understand the basic truth of the gospel. And your trying to take my hope away.
I have never blamed God for a believer falling away. I do not know where you come up with this stuff. This just shows me that you have been listening to people to much and not looking to see yourself.
No, I have implied if what YOU SAY IS TRUE, God lied.
God said they will NEVER DIE. You say that they can still die and end up in hell
If they can still die and end up in hell. GOD LIED. It gets no clearer than this.
second, Your saying God gave someone eternal life. And this hope KNOWING that they would walk away, because their faith is not real. So again. You have a weakened God who is not all he says he is.. My God knows me, He knew me before I was in my mothers womb, He does nt make mistakes.
How can you have hope? How can you know in the next 20 years somethign will not happen in your life that will destroy your faith and you will not walk away from God?
I am sorry, But your hope is not real. I know. I had your hope before.. it was a false hope based on my, and not n God.
Hence, a non osas person says God will not complete the work he started. He is not capable of keeping a person from falling, and he is not able to keep his promise.
If you want that God, you can have him.
I want no more than to deal with that God than I want to deal with the Calvin God who creates people just to send them to hell with no chance of salvation.,
I can deal with all kinds of persecution and tribulation because like Paul. I know this lifetime is but a blink in the heart. No one can hurt me, No one can take my salvation from me, No one, not even myself. Can keep me from heaven.
You can;t say that.. And that is why you can;t have true living hope, even though you claim you do.
I have never blamed God for a believer falling away. I do not know where you come up with this stuff. This just shows me that you have been listening to people to much and not looking to see yourself.
No, I have implied if what YOU SAY IS TRUE, God lied.
God said they will NEVER DIE. You say that they can still die and end up in hell
If they can still die and end up in hell. GOD LIED. It gets no clearer than this.
second, Your saying God gave someone eternal life. And this hope KNOWING that they would walk away, because their faith is not real. So again. You have a weakened God who is not all he says he is.. My God knows me, He knew me before I was in my mothers womb, He does nt make mistakes.
How can you have hope? How can you know in the next 20 years somethign will not happen in your life that will destroy your faith and you will not walk away from God?
I am sorry, But your hope is not real. I know. I had your hope before.. it was a false hope based on my, and not n God.
Hence, a non osas person says God will not complete the work he started. He is not capable of keeping a person from falling, and he is not able to keep his promise.
If you want that God, you can have him.
I want no more than to deal with that God than I want to deal with the Calvin God who creates people just to send them to hell with no chance of salvation.,
I can deal with all kinds of persecution and tribulation because like Paul. I know this lifetime is but a blink in the heart. No one can hurt me, No one can take my salvation from me, No one, not even myself. Can keep me from heaven.
You can;t say that.. And that is why you can;t have true living hope, even though you claim you do.
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Nice way to twist the truth.
Dogd walk away from their vomit all the time.. But they are still dogs.. and after they have done what they were doing for a bit. They go back to their vomitl
Some people claim they are ok and do not sin.. Instaed of acknowledging their sin, like OSAS people. They water down th law and say they are ok. I just have to confess that sin and I am ok, God will forgive me, or I do not sin like those people sin.
OSAS people do not love sin (Licentious people do) yet they are no more saved than a legalist who is trying to earn his salvation is saved.
I love how a licentious person will call OSAS people legalist, and a legalist will call a Grace believer a Licentious person wh loves his sin.
Repent and put your faith in God. Take the law for what it is. And acknowledge your sin and filth before a Holy God.
Yawn,
I do work our my salvation
Here is the difference, I AM SAVED!!
If your not saved, You have nothing to work out (notice, it did nto say work to earn salvation, it says work it out.. You already have it)
shacking my head at the legalists mindset and modern day phariseeism I see in these threads.
Dogd walk away from their vomit all the time.. But they are still dogs.. and after they have done what they were doing for a bit. They go back to their vomitl
Some people claim they are ok and do not sin.. Instaed of acknowledging their sin, like OSAS people. They water down th law and say they are ok. I just have to confess that sin and I am ok, God will forgive me, or I do not sin like those people sin.
OSAS people do not love sin (Licentious people do) yet they are no more saved than a legalist who is trying to earn his salvation is saved.
I love how a licentious person will call OSAS people legalist, and a legalist will call a Grace believer a Licentious person wh loves his sin.
Repent and put your faith in God. Take the law for what it is. And acknowledge your sin and filth before a Holy God.
Yawn,
I do work our my salvation
Here is the difference, I AM SAVED!!
If your not saved, You have nothing to work out (notice, it did nto say work to earn salvation, it says work it out.. You already have it)
shacking my head at the legalists mindset and modern day phariseeism I see in these threads.
Christians have free will. Some can't see a christian blame God for not intervening for a loved one when they die.
You think that's impossible simply because it hasn't happened to you. Things happen. Some will fail the test of their faith & go back.
If we say "they weren't saved in the first place", in our minds we think they were always hellbound instead of feeling compassion to restore them.
Such a belief takes the monkey off our backs to feel responsible to help them towards restoration.
One only needs to read their posts to see the difference. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks(writes).
You think that's impossible simply because it hasn't happened to you. Things happen. Some will fail the test of their faith & go back.
If we say "they weren't saved in the first place", in our minds we think they were always hellbound instead of feeling compassion to restore them.
Such a belief takes the monkey off our backs to feel responsible to help them towards restoration.
One only needs to read their posts to see the difference. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks(writes).
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“Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.”
exactly my point Gods is working in us
So our Will can change from serving sin to doing good because we have to do that part we have to let God change us so we will do what we’re supposed to do
thats all I’m saying I’ve never in my life told anyone “ you aren’t saved “ you aren’t a real Christian”
my point is we have a role or we are supposed to did you notice after Paul said that god is working in you both to Will and to do of his good pleasure ? Then Paul began telling them what to do ? And to do it more and more ?
We can’t shout “ there’s nothing I need to do “ at the same time we’re learning “ this is what you need to Will and do “
The doctrine is “ I do not condemn you for your sins , now go and sin no more “
now there’s no checklist we aren’t perfect we do make mistakes and of course he is merciful and is always there not deleting and all of that my position is just this that we all need to accept what’s really there in the second half of his letters because that’s how God is working to change our Will and actions by the hearing of the doctrine the hearing of faith
Both of these elements are true and work together
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
(1) The Lord knoweth them that are his.
(2) And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”( repentance )
2 Timothy 2:19
“Sure these believers need to hear it in regard to pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification”
Paul didn’t say work out your sanctification that’s what the blood was for
exactly my point Gods is working in us
So our Will can change from serving sin to doing good because we have to do that part we have to let God change us so we will do what we’re supposed to do
thats all I’m saying I’ve never in my life told anyone “ you aren’t saved “ you aren’t a real Christian”
my point is we have a role or we are supposed to did you notice after Paul said that god is working in you both to Will and to do of his good pleasure ? Then Paul began telling them what to do ? And to do it more and more ?
We can’t shout “ there’s nothing I need to do “ at the same time we’re learning “ this is what you need to Will and do “
The doctrine is “ I do not condemn you for your sins , now go and sin no more “
now there’s no checklist we aren’t perfect we do make mistakes and of course he is merciful and is always there not deleting and all of that my position is just this that we all need to accept what’s really there in the second half of his letters because that’s how God is working to change our Will and actions by the hearing of the doctrine the hearing of faith
Both of these elements are true and work together
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
(1) The Lord knoweth them that are his.
(2) And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”( repentance )
2 Timothy 2:19
“Sure these believers need to hear it in regard to pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification”
Paul didn’t say work out your sanctification that’s what the blood was for
Lol
I do not believe a person can truly believe and recieve all God gives, and later denounce their faith.
God is not some human that fails us, He ALWAYS has our back. Anyone who has truly experienced first hand his love understand that
if anyone thinks we can walk away. I doubt they have ever met God personally..
I do not believe a person can truly believe and recieve all God gives, and later denounce their faith.
God is not some human that fails us, He ALWAYS has our back. Anyone who has truly experienced first hand his love understand that
if anyone thinks we can walk away. I doubt they have ever met God personally..
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Here is the problem
Its one thing to get mad at God
its another thing to say you are no longer a sinner, No longer deserving of hellfire. And no longer believe you need to be saved
When you fail to comprehend justification vs sanctification, you get into serious issues in understanding the difference between being saved eternally, and continuing to trust god for everything in your life.
Its one thing to get mad at God
its another thing to say you are no longer a sinner, No longer deserving of hellfire. And no longer believe you need to be saved
When you fail to comprehend justification vs sanctification, you get into serious issues in understanding the difference between being saved eternally, and continuing to trust god for everything in your life.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Therefore, God has called all, has God not called all? Thank you Father and Son as won for us to Be in you by you, not us in flesh and blood. since, no flesh and blood can please you as Son's did, that is done once for us all to depend on, thank you. I see I can do nothing but trust you to do as is done for me as is done by Son once for us all to believe we are reconciled by you through Son to us to stand in trust to you Father over it all. in thanksgiving and praise over this one work where all sin is taken out of the way for us except Unbelief, as far as the East is from the West, how far is the east from the West?
Psalm 103:12
King James Version
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Therefore, God has called all, has God not called all? Thank you Father and Son as won for us to Be in you by you, not us in flesh and blood. since, no flesh and blood can please you as Son's did, that is done once for us all to depend on, thank you. I see I can do nothing but trust you to do as is done for me as is done by Son once for us all to believe we are reconciled by you through Son to us to stand in trust to you Father over it all. in thanksgiving and praise over this one work where all sin is taken out of the way for us except Unbelief, as far as the East is from the West, how far is the east from the West?
Psalm 103:12
King James Version
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
I think a good example might be:
The Ten lepers story of getting healed by Jesus, and only one returned to Jesus, and Jesus said to that one, you are now made whole.
I see belief heals and keeps one healed, being made whole, as I do not know what happened to the other nine lepers healed. I do suspect, they went out to the world and got caught up in this world over lust and money as so many people healed do that still to this day. That is to me returning to our own depravities of sinful behaviors, that harm self and others along that way of going out and about in this world today.
The Ten lepers story of getting healed by Jesus, and only one returned to Jesus, and Jesus said to that one, you are now made whole.
I see belief heals and keeps one healed, being made whole, as I do not know what happened to the other nine lepers healed. I do suspect, they went out to the world and got caught up in this world over lust and money as so many people healed do that still to this day. That is to me returning to our own depravities of sinful behaviors, that harm self and others along that way of going out and about in this world today.
35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Where does it say he will force people against their will?
Where does it say he removed free will?
All I see is no matter what, if God has a plan, ghe will carry it out. If you will not do what he wants, he will find someone else that will. We see this with Jonah.. Jonah could have continued to resist and died in the fish and we would have never known his name.. How many other people do we not know of because they did not do what God asked?
Where does it say he will force people against their will?
Where does it say he removed free will?
All I see is no matter what, if God has a plan, ghe will carry it out. If you will not do what he wants, he will find someone else that will. We see this with Jonah.. Jonah could have continued to resist and died in the fish and we would have never known his name.. How many other people do we not know of because they did not do what God asked?
I'm not sure who your post is written to, nor am I sure what its about, but I thought the above quote would be fun to respond to.
What does the following verse and especially the red highlight mean to you?
Acts 26:18 KJV - "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."
What is the difference of a person who is transferred from the Power of Satan to the Power of God?
What does the following verse and especially the red highlight mean to you?
Acts 26:18 KJV - "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."
What is the difference of a person who is transferred from the Power of Satan to the Power of God?
Matthew 23:37
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
It was Gods will to gather them together as a mother hen.
But they were not willing. God allowed them to have free will. and as such, Gave up his rights as master to enforce his will on them.
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
It was Gods will to gather them together as a mother hen.
But they were not willing. God allowed them to have free will. and as such, Gave up his rights as master to enforce his will on them.