Easter: Pagan or Christian?

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John146 said:
A great explanation why the word "Easter" was used in the King James Bible.

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I might still have Alexander Hislop's book from my teens .
I bought it from Ministry to Catholics. I will check to look at the references. I have seen umpteen books repeat the false part of his false teaching.

One by another author I bought at a conference called Fossilized Customs. The back cover has a selfie picture chosen by the author. His crazy wild eyed pic reminds me of someone on a powerful amphetamine.
It's one of the most blasphemous books I ever opened. I couldn't read much for the wickedness, but saved it on the shelf for future reference to use as a footnote for rebuke in a potential future book I thought to write. Not so strange thing is that for all his claims, there's no bibliography. He just repeated a bunch of unsubstantiated claims.
As of now, I think I shall tear out the pages for litter box/ possum poop.
 
John146 said:
Are you under the delusion that only the "originals" can be inspired by God?
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Please define exactly what you mean by "inspired by God". People get inspired by many things, even a beautiful outdoor scene, but that says nothing about the accuracy or truthfulness of the writings produced by the inspiration.
 
John146 said:
The KJV translators didn't have a brain fart moment when it came to the Greek word Pascha. They knew it was to be translated Passover as they had done some 29 times before, but since Christ had fulfilled the Passover, something new had come. Easter is the correct term for this new thing, no more Passover.
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If that's the case, it seems like the Holy Spirit would've inspired Luke to write Easter rather than pascha.
 
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rewriter said:
Please define exactly what you mean by "inspired by God". People get inspired by many things, even a beautiful outdoor scene, but that says nothing about the accuracy or truthfulness of the writings produced by the inspiration.
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Good question and you indicated the answer: Inspired by God means true, and per 2Tim. 3:16-17 true means useful for learning how to be saved and become morally mature.
 
GWH said:
Good question and you indicated the answer: Inspired by God means true, and per 2Tim. 3:16-17 true means useful for learning how to be saved and become morally mature.
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If it means "true" then why do gospel accounts of the withered fig tree from holy week differ as to which day the disciples saw the withered tree. Matthew says they saw it immediately after Jesus cursed it while Mark claims it was not until the next morning? Which account is true, as being astonished by a tree being withered after being cursed should only happen once.

Also why does (2nd) Isaiah quote propaganda as prophecy when the propaganda failed to come to pass?

2 Timothy 3:16 refers to "God breathed, Spirited or winded", the Greek carrying all three potential meanings, so from where do you get the certainty of it meaning "true", which is a different Greek word, and which works that were considered scripture at the time by various Jews were being referred to, or do you argue that works that Paul would not have recognized as scripture, and possibly not even written yet, were intended based on the future decisions of men who dictated that their choice applied only within a specific geographical region.
 
rewriter said:
If it means "true" then why do gospel accounts of the withered fig tree from holy week differ as to which day the disciples saw the withered tree. Matthew says they saw it immediately after Jesus cursed it while Mark claims it was not until the next morning? Which account is true, as being astonished by a tree being withered after being cursed should only happen once.

Also why does (2nd) Isaiah quote propaganda as prophecy when the propaganda failed to come to pass?

2 Timothy 3:16 refers to "God breathed, Spirited or winded", the Greek carrying all three potential meanings, so from where do you get the certainty of it meaning "true", which is a different Greek word, and which works that were considered scripture at the time by various Jews were being referred to, or do you argue that works that Paul would not have recognized as scripture, and possibly not even written yet, were intended based on the future decisions of men who dictated that their choice applied only within a specific geographical region.
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Re the fig tree (Matt. 21:18-20, Mark 11:12-14&20-21): Perhaps Matthew and Mark heard the story from different disciples, one of whom did not see the tree until the next day, but the more problematic part of the reports for me is that Mark 11:13 says it was not the season for figs!

However, ignoring the noise, we should focus on the signal, which is what Jesus says after the withering: Matt. 21:21-22 - If we have perfect faith, we can command a mountain to be thrown into the sea. IOW, whatever we ask in prayer will be granted; Mark 11:22-24 - Have faith that believes something will happen, such as a mountain being thrown into the sea, and believing that it has been granted, you will have it done.

These comments are what need to be squared/harmonized with Matt. 26:39-42 (cf. Matt. 6:10). As a P.S. in the Mark passage, we also need to understand Mark 11:25 correctly: When you pray, first forgive anyone against whom you have grudges in order that the Father will forgive your sins.
 
rewriter said:
Please define exactly what you mean by "inspired by God". People get inspired by many things, even a beautiful outdoor scene, but that says nothing about the accuracy or truthfulness of the writings produced by the inspiration.
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Scripture being inspired, given by God.
 
rewriter said:
If it means "true" then why do gospel accounts of the withered fig tree from holy week differ as to which day the disciples saw the withered tree. Matthew says they saw it immediately after Jesus cursed it while Mark claims it was not until the next morning? Which account is true, as being astonished by a tree being withered after being cursed should only happen once.

Also why does (2nd) Isaiah quote propaganda as prophecy when the propaganda failed to come to pass?

2 Timothy 3:16 refers to "God breathed, Spirited or winded", the Greek carrying all three potential meanings, so from where do you get the certainty of it meaning "true", which is a different Greek word, and which works that were considered scripture at the time by various Jews were being referred to, or do you argue that works that Paul would not have recognized as scripture, and possibly not even written yet, were intended based on the future decisions of men who dictated that their choice applied only within a specific geographical region.
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They did see it immediately, but also the next day. When they saw it the next day, it was withered even to the roots. More information was added. No contradiction.
 
John146 said:
A great explanation why the word "Easter" was used in the King James Bible.

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It is far more important to celebrate the holy days that God has commanded that to be concerned with whether to celebrate a man-made tradition.
 
JohnDB said:
In English we murder just about EVERY name or term from Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, or Early Latin.
There aren't any we get correct. Good guys or bad.
This includes Jesus, Peter, or any of them.

And if that really mattered....we would have been in trouble. Real Trouble.

It does actually matter in some ways as the meaning of the names is somewhat lost....but that doesn't mean that God was unaware of how we will murder the names.

The word "peter" in Hebrew is the term for maternal firstborn. (Vx paternal....and it's one of God's ironic jokes spread throughout time to make)
However, even though Peter's name is truly "stone" we use the Latin variant of his name's meaning to title him such. Others would have called him "kep*has". Not even remotely similar to Cephus/seafuss we use in today's nomenclature.

Because of this....it's obvious God knows that a name is more than just the sounds coming out of your mouth. It's still what comes out of the abundance of your heart that matters.
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If you were to hear a foreign name, write down how in your language how you think that it should be spelled, and someone else were to try to pronounce what you wrote, then there would be a good chance that what they pronounced would sound different from what you heard, so names being change is just part of the process of transliteration, not about murdering them.
 
Soyeong said:
If you were to hear a foreign name, write down how in your language how you think that it should be spelled, and someone else were to try to pronounce what you wrote, then there would be a good chance that what they pronounced would sound different from what you heard, so names being change is just part of the process of transliteration, not about murdering them.
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Oh the principles of transliteration have zero to do with what I've explained....(maybe a tiny bit as we often destroy Matthew's name by overpronouncing the "ew" at the end as well as using the "th" blend instead of pronouncing each letter)

We are talking about changing languages and using those languages as a strict name tag given to people. Deviating from those man-designed tags will get you looked at strangely by everyone.

The part I'm pointing out is that God ALREADY KNEW) how we were going to murder the pronunciations...and He is gracious about it all.
 
John146 said:
Celebrating the Lord's resurrection is wrong? Ok then...
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I dud say that it is wrong to celebrating the Lord's resurrection, but that it is far more important to celebrate the holy days that God has commanded that to be concerned with whether to celebrate a man-made tradition.
 
p_rehbein said:
Resurrection Sunday is pure Christian. The proclamation and celebration of our Risen Savior.

(every year threads like this appear....sigh. Just wait till Christmas..... :) )
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can't wait for Christmas.
 
This is the day that genuine Christians gather to worship and thank Jesus for what he has done for us.

Many people here who are not genuine Christians do come to Easter Sunday service and they hear the gospel, the truth, the resurrection for salvation.

That's preaching the gospel and has nothing to do with paganism.
 
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In Jesus times and our time how many gatherings would there be for worship of pagan god's during the week or a specific period?

If Christians come together to worship on a day that for the following pagan gods

Roman, Greek, Celtic, Germanic, Norse

Why dont you criticise followers of Jesus who come to worship the true God on th same days of the above pagan worshippers?
 
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