No one teaches that God believes for us. And nobody denies saved in time. You guys aren’t bringing anything except the beliefs of imaginary people that don’t exist.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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No one teaches that God believes for us. And nobody denies saved in time. You guys aren’t bringing anything except the beliefs of imaginary people that don’t exist.
According as He chose us in Him...
If you don’t like the word elect here, then use the word chosen instead.
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The word is fine... the chosen are not chosen by God
The chosen are those that believed.
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eternally-gratefull
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I see you came back and that @EleventhHour and @throughfaith are still unable to hear a word you say and are still falsely accusing you. It’s sad bro praying for you and them. That they will
Confess their sin against you
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How many times does he have to answer you? He has told you a few times now. Even I know his answer. You people are in sin for this. I am about to start reporting this nonsense
James 1:18 'Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first-fruits of his creatures.'
This does not add to your theory. It affirms that God is the author and perfecter of our faith. It always begins with God'S sovereignty over His creation in all things. IN THE CONTEXT: James point is addressing trials of temptation to sin.
A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven JOHN 3:27
Toss scripture references to me without posting the text as well ( it seems you are being dismissive of me) You do this repeatedly while I always post the text; but maybe you would like to look up a few from me?
John 6:63 Romans 8:10 2 Thess 2:13 Titus 3:4 1 Peter 1:3 John 3: 3-8
I'm not even sure at this point what your real point IS.
IF i AM READING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE FIRST HEAR THE WORD AND RECEIVE IT, THEN WE ARE BORN AGAIN.......WHICH WOULD MAKE SALVATION A WORK OF THE FLESH, IN THAT GOD SEES YOUR WORK OF BELIEF AND THEN SENDS THE REGENERATION.
Justified = without sin, just if I'd never sinned
someone can sin and yet be blameless
The ' gift ' of salvation is only through faith . It pleases God to save those that believe. Not cause belief in those he saves . No one can come to the Father but through Jesus . He is the way . The only way to be in him is to access the grace through faith . God has provided the way . But in no way were we in Jesus in any sense until after we believed.
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He knows this. Everyone seems to know this but the same two or three people who continue to accuse him. How far are you going to push this?
Do we need to get someone else involved?
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Utterly ridiculous this can not be left alone because of one individual's obsession and fixation with Calvin. Was enjoying the discussions for the most part in the wee beginning, but am now repulsed every time one of these threads are opened. The false accusations have got to stop. It is not Brotherly at all, and am disgusted. As said months ago am still learning; unfortunately, the lesson seems to be to keep my mouth shut...
God Bless and Keep...am out of this one.
God Bless and Keep...am out of this one.
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About the only way it's gonna be put to rest. Am just totally flabbergasted, and floored. How it has been allowed to continue this long is mind boggling as well...
I am not disregarding you. I am on a phone, so it is difficult to post verse texts . When I post verse texts, I am doing it from memory, so when I do not post the text, it’s because I have not memorized that verse
I do not not believe the way you are understanding me. I do not believe faith is a work or that the New Birth something that we produce by exertion or effort. I believe that the New Birth is the result of hearing the Word and the wind of the Spirit. I don’t fully understand how it works. It’s like the wind described in John 3.
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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word.
its not a work, it is the result of someone else’s work
Also, we are not born of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13
I intended to exit the discussion, but wanted to reply to you so you would know I was not dismissing you. God bless you.