Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

[ATG]

If you define the ten commandments as the commandments that YHWH gave to Israel (Exodus 24).

That's the only ten commandments defined by Scripture in the OT.

The commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ in the NT are not all defined by that of the old.

Then the ten commandments was the codified law given to Israel and not to Egypt.

Ok. Don't read of the LORD ever giving commandments to anyone but His own people, beginning with Abraham.

Egypt was never under the Mosaic law.

Ok.

The Jews were in a blood covenant to obey the ten commandments (Exodus 24).

Not in Egypt.

Egypt was not in a blood covenant to obey the ten commandments, big difference here.

No difference at all. Neither were the Hebrew Israelites.

The Gentiles were never under even one letter of the law and certainly not in a blood covenant,
to obey the law.

Not without conversion to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with the covenant and law of Moses.

The first convert recorded among the nations, was Rahab the harlot. Who also is honored as one of the two examples of being justified with God by their works of faith. The other being Abraham.

A forerunner to any people of any nation converting to God by Jesus Christ, and being justified by works of faith of Abraham, and of his daughter Rahab.

Rom 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Sin to a Gentile is not defined by the law but by the deeds of the flesh (Galatians 5).

False ideology.

1Jo 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

All sin is defined by the law of God, and all sinners are judged by transgressing His law.

All unrighteous works of the flesh are defined as transgressions of the law of Christ.

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness...drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Whosever is doing any such thing, is the unrighteous not inheriting the kingdom of God. Whether Jew having law-alone, or Christian having faith-alone, or unbeliever having neither law nor faith at all.

Don't ever say you obey the ten commandments.

I don't. Even if someone is a Sabbath keeper by law, whether Jew or Christian, they're still not keeping the 10 commandments by law of Moses, which is old and passed away.

Only those keeping the commandments of the Lord Jesus given to His apostles, are keeping the NT law of Christ.

Act 1:1
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse
us from all unrighteousness.

True.

And if we sin and repent not, He is faithful and righteous to judge us for our sins, and to condemn us with all unrighteousness.

Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Rom 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Hellene; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Hellene:...For there is no respect of persons with God.

Anyone trusting in law-alone or faith-alone not to be judged by unrighteous deeds of the flesh, is deceiving themselves:

2Th 2:10
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[ATG]

The difference between you and I is that I trust in Jesus for my salvation and you trust in yourself. Good luck with that.

The difference between you and I is that I trust Jesus to do good and not evil, and you trust in your faith-alone to justify you while doing evil. No luck with that.

 

[Inquisitor]

But we can lose it too, if we’re not holding onto truth.

If you lose that faith, then we don’t finish the race! The good fight is marching onward and upward to His calling, being a good example to others, living His word.

“I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.”
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, but we are clarifying the reason for that free gift of salvation.

Not so much about maintaining that solid faith.

 

[Dino246]

Since you are sinner who needs repentance, then your "whole faith-alone" doesn't work.

Since all are sinners with faith-alone still need repentance, then the "whole faith-alone" doesn't work at all.

Your misconception of "faith alone" is delusional.

 

[ATG]

James says more than just faith without works is dead. He says, works complete faith.

True. Faith without works is not complete. It's not the faith of Abraham made complete by the work of offering up Isaac to God.

Those having their faith-alone without works, do not have the faith of Abraham. Which is also why they confess not doing the works of Abraham, nor walk as Jesus walked:

Rom 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

1Pe 2:21
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Now if thats true, and it must be if it's in scripture, faith alone cannot be sufficient for salvation because that which is already complete doesn't need completion.

True. Faith-alone without works is not the complete faith of Abraham. Which they by definition and confession are not walking in the steps of Abraham nor of Jesus.

And if faith was complete without works, then it alone, would be sufficient.

True. Which is only said by faith-alone justifiers, and is rejected by Scripture of God:

James{2:21}
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[Inquisitor]

And did not die according to the law:

2Sa 12:13
And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Was King David heavily punished for his sins?

I think David would have gladly given his life for his son's life.

The death of your son for your own sin is worse than death itself.

 

[Inquisitor]

Not without conversion to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with the covenant and law of Moses.

You have the biggest posts which makes a reply very difficult.

What does a "conversion to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with the covenant and law of Moses" mean?

What "covenant"?

What do you mean by "and law of Moses"?

 

[ATG]

How do you understand the law of Christ?

The law of Moses was written by Moses to the children of Israel not to transgress. The law of Christ is written by His apostles to the children of God not to transgress. And so, what do the Scriptures say of the law of Christ?

1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind…

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness...drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

These are points of law of Christ called works of the flesh, that if anyone is transgressing, he is the unrighteous that shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And the judgment of the law of Christ remains the same as that of the law of Moses (though the points of law are not all the same): Anyone transgressing any of the law is guilty of all the law:

Jas 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

The difference between you and I is that I trust Jesus to do good and not evil, and you trust in your faith-alone to justify you while doing evil. No luck with that.

You honestly sound like an immature troll.

 

[ATG]

Where does the phrase "saved by faith alone" appear?

Exactly. Not in any Scripture of truth. Only in teachings and sermons and writings of those claiming to have it, hence:

Just_A__Follower said:
It appeared in the question I asked you.

The only Scripture ever speaking of having faith-alone, is in James 2: It's without works and dead

 

[ATG]

You honestly sound like an immature troll.

You definitely act like a mature troll.

 

[ATG]

And? "faith alone" appears only once in Scripture and it's not preceded by, "we are saved by". That's all I need to understand

Yes, but how many times has it appeared in the posts of this site alone? Doesn't that count for something?

Just_A__Follower said:
It appeared in the question I asked you.

Doesn't this mean as much as Scripture itself? Especially if someone really really believes it? What if they even live by it with continued sinning and trespasses?

 

[Inquisitor]

And the judgment of the law of Christ remains the same as that of the law of Moses (though the points of law are not all the same): Anyone transgressing any of the law is guilty of all the law:

Jas 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I am a Gentile and I need clarification on what you wrote above.

Are you saying that Gentiles are judged according to the Mosaic law?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You definitely act like a mature troll.

For someone who claims to have a sinless new nature, you are doing a great job of proving that pride is the one thing you haven't managed to repent of yet. It is pretty clear that your performance hasn't changed your heart, only your ego. I will leave you to your mirror.

 

[ATG]

Yes, but if works don’t follow…..(you’re not living in Christ), it’s dead.

This is where some faith-alone Christians part ways. Some will acknowledge that without doing the will of God, then their 'faith-alone' is proven dead and insufficient to save anyone. Though they still balk at Scripture saying we are justified by works, and not by faith-alone.

But, the mainstream faith-alone advocates, do not just speak of faith-alone without works, but they preach an eternally saving faith-alone apart from any works at all. No works following have anything to do with their faith-alone in Christ, unconditionally justifying them with God. Once having faith-alone in Christ, all works are then nullified with God.

 

[ATG]

I am a Gentile and I need clarification on what you wrote above.

Are you saying that Gentiles are judged according to the Mosaic law?

I've noticed that you at least appear to avoid quoting people, before passing judgments on what they say.

So, show anything I said, that at least appears to say such a thing, then we can clarify if necessary.

When I respond specifically to anything said, I always quote the specific words first. That way we at least argue about what is said, not about what is not being said.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes, but how many times has it appeared in the posts of this site alone? Doesn't that count for something?

Just_A__Follower said:
It appeared in the question I asked you.

Doesn't this mean as much as Scripture itself? Especially if someone really really believes it? What if they even live by it with continued sinning and trespasses?

Luke 18:10-14
Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood
and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers,
or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing
some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying,
‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other.

 

[Inquisitor]

I've noticed that you at least appear to avoid quoting people, before passing judgments on what they say.

So, show anything I said, that at least appears to say such a thing, then we can clarify if necessary.

When I respond specifically to anything said, I always quote the specific words first. That way we at least argue about what is said, not about what is not being said.

I am not passing judgement not yet anyway.

I am trying to understand what you said below.

And the judgment of the law of Christ remains the same as that of the law of Moses (though the points of law are not all the same): Anyone transgressing any of the law is guilty of all the law:

Jas 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[ATG]

ATG said:
You certainly will, relentlessly. By your faith-alone. You certainly won't, never. Not by your faith-alone.
By God's grace through that instrument of faith.

Salvation is a free gift given to those that believe (pistis, a noun) in Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:15
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did
the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

Salvation is a free gift and is given by the grace of Jesus Christ.

So, you certainly will transgress, relentlessly by your faith-alone. Also by the grace of your Christ. And you certainly won't repent of transgressing, ever. Not by your faith-alone. Also not by the grace of your Christ.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Inquisitor said:
Don't give me this prattle that someone can repent of their sin.

2Pe 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, by the faith-alone and grace of their Christ...

 

[Inquisitor]

The law of Moses was written by Moses to the children of Israel not to transgress. The law of Christ is written by His apostles to the children of God not to transgress. And so, what do the Scriptures say of the law of Christ?

1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind…

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness...drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

These are points of law of Christ called works of the flesh, that if anyone is transgressing, he is the unrighteous that shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And the judgment of the law of Christ remains the same as that of the law of Moses (though the points of law are not all the same): Anyone transgressing any of the law is guilty of all the law:

Jas 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You still have not stated what the law of Christ is?

You keep talking about what the law of Christ is not.