Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

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The bible is the word of God. Those who profess Christ is the Messiah and believe in him are saved and will not perish (or suffer wrath etc)
Something to consider, the people in the following account professed and believed in Jesus, yet heard the words, "I never knew you."

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matt. 7:21-23
 
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Something to consider, the people in the following account professed and believed in Jesus, yet heard the words, "I never knew you."

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matt. 7:21-23

I have that covered in my statement. what is the will of the father?

John 6:40

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”


and my comment was what.... : Those who profess Christ is the Messiah and believe in him are saved and will not perish (or suffer wrath etc)
 
1. Receiving the Holy Ghost into one's body is essential for salvation. (Rom. 8:9) And all accounts that record specific details show tongues was the evidence that accompanied the experience.

2. There is a distinction in tongues. Scripture reveals 100% exhibit the sign of tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7 and 8:12-18 alludes to it) Whereas, not all will be used to present God's message in an unknown tongue for the edification of members of a congregation. The message is then interpreted via the Spiritual Gift of Interpretation. Both experiences are miraculous in nature.

So what your are saying is that no one who has not spoken in tounges does not have the holy spirit....
 
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved. The saved person when they do some great thing or are very fervent in their walk receive crowns... when they sin the lose crowns. If they don't forgive someone it doesn't negate salvation it potentially removes crowns.

I have no idea what these crowns are, but nonetheless...


Seriously, you are frustrated because I won't accept YOUR interpretation. This is why throwing scripture at each other is meaningless. Ask a 10-yr old what love is and ask a 70-yr old and they are going to have very different definitions. This is the case between you and me. I can only suggest that you continue in your research of the truth without presuppositions. Then you may get to the point of understanding where you can have a meaningful debate with me (or anyone) over whatever topic.

It's like whomever was tossing out that baptism is required for salvation. They quoted 4 or 5 verses that do appear to say this. However, there are more that 150 versus in the New Testament clearly say faith alone is the only requirement. In the versus that person quoted assumed a meaning not consistent with the rest of scripture. This isn't because I have a different view, it's because the biblical text overwhelmingly disagrees. So, there must be some reason the spirit allowed it to be written this way. And if fact there is. But rather than take the obvious position which is 150 pieces of evidence are way better than just 5 which appear to disagree, they assume the one with less evidence. Here is a verse showing that the baptism is spiritual and happens at the point of salvation by faith. But no one ever realizes this.

Colossians 2:11–12 (ESV)
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.


here is a link to a good article on this subject for those interested (https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/is-baptism-necessary-for-salvation)


Here is the crux of the issue, you are too immature to have the conversation. Understanding the meaning of the biblical text and its teaching are not a waste of time. I'm not rejecting the lord's word I'm rejecting your interpretation because I know the argument, both sides of it, better than you do. We are told to be ready to defend our faith and to have answers. I didn't just flip open a bible and do a keyword search to disprove you. I have been here before.
That's an urban legend. Crowns are not won or lost or distributed according to merit. All the followers of Jesus receive the same crowns.
 
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved. The saved person when they do some great thing or are very fervent in their walk receive crowns... when they sin the loose crowns. If they don't forgive someone it doesn't negate salvation it potentially removes crowns.

I have no idea what these crowns are, but nonetheless...


Seriously, you are frustrated because I won't accept YOUR interpretation. This is why throwing scripture at each other is meaningless. Ask a 10-yr old what love is and ask a 70-yr old and they are going to have very different definitions. This is the case between you and me. I can only suggest that you continue in your research of the truth without presuppositions. Then you may get to the point of understanding where you can have a meaningful debate with me (or anyone) over whatever topic.

It's like whomever was tossing out that baptism is required for salvation. They quoted 4 or 5 verses that do appear to say this. However, there are more that 150 versus in the New Testament clearly say faith alone is the only requirement. In the versus that person quoted assumed a meaning not consistent with the rest of scripture. This isn't because I have a different view, it's because the biblical text overwhelmingly disagrees. So, there must be some reason the spirit allowed it to be written this way. And if fact there is. But rather than take the obvious position which is 150 pieces of evidence are way better than just 5 which appear to disagree, they assume the one with less evidence. Here is a verse showing that the baptism is spiritual and happens at the point of salvation by faith. But no one ever realizes this.

Colossians 2:11–12 (ESV)
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.


here is a link to a good article on this subject for those interested (https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/is-baptism-necessary-for-salvation)


Here is the crux of the issue, you are too immature to have the conversation. Understanding the meaning of the biblical text and its teaching are not a waste of time. I'm not rejecting the lord's word I'm rejecting your interpretation because I know the argument, both sides of it, better than you do. We are told to be ready to defend our faith and to have answers. I didn't just flip open a bible and do a keyword search to disprove you. I have been here before.
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved.”

Jesus Christ

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;( saved )

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”( not saved )
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( saved )

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( not saved )
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-

The apostle Paul

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. ( saved )

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”( not saved ) ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;( not saved )

whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. ( saved )

Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s all true ….. and so we want to listen to the judges words

for instance if all I have quoted from Jesus and his apostle Paul is true ( it is ) then how would this impact a person who believed it ?


Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s actually pretty clear according to scripture god has been warning us always

If we listen to our lord and savior and what he was teaching then come judgement day we’re going to be fine but stuff like this is important stuff

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See this

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

doesn’t mean this isn’t true or applicable

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you;
Its just that both aspects are true

As we learn things we’re meant to add them to the other not use one thing to subtract or remove the other thing from the understanding

The term “ grace” is not understood well sometimes because we’re making it a way to get gnore and remove the truth of his word regarding repentance , obedience and eternal judgement
remission of sins is a good subject to study ……but n important point to me is that this

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t change this doctrine

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

rather we’re meant add each detail for a better grasp and fuller knowledge
 
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved.”

Jesus Christ

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;( saved )

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”( not saved )
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( saved )

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( not saved )
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-

The apostle Paul

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
( saved )

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”( not saved ) ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;( not saved )

whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. ( saved )

Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s all true ….. and so we want to listen to the judges words

for instance if all I have quoted from Jesus and his apostle Paul is true ( it is ) then how would this impact a person who believed it ?


Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s actually pretty clear according to scripture god has been warning us always

If we listen to our lord and savior and what he was teaching then come judgement day we’re going to be fine but stuff like this is important stuff

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See this

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

doesn’t mean this isn’t true or applicable

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you;
Its just that both aspects are true

As we learn things we’re meant to add them to the other not use one thing to subtract or remove the other thing from the understanding

The term “ grace” is not understood well sometimes because we’re making it a way to get gnore and remove the truth of his word regarding repentance , obedience and eternal judgement
remission of sins is a good subject to study ……but n important point to me is that this

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t change this doctrine

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

rather we’re meant add each detail for a better grasp and fuller knowledge
your wasting yur time nothing you responded with negates what i said.
 
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved.”

Just so you have the reference

1) The Imperishable Crown – (1 Corinthians 9:24-25) “Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate [disciplined] in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown” (NKJV). All things on this earth are subject to decay and will perish. Jesus urges us to not store our treasures on earth “where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal” (Matthew 6:19). This is analogous to what Paul was saying about that wreath of leaves that was soon to turn brittle and fall apart. But not so the heavenly crown; faithful endurance wins a heavenly reward which is “an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you” (1 Peter 1:4).

2) The Crown of Rejoicing – (1 Thessalonians 2:19) “For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?” The apostle Paul tells us in Philippians 4:4 to “rejoice always in the Lord” for all the bountiful blessings our gracious God has showered upon us. As Christians we have more in this life to rejoice about than anyone else. Luke tells us there is rejoicing even now in heaven (Luke 15:7). The crown of rejoicing will be our reward where “God will wipe away every tear . . . there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away” (Revelation 21:4).

3) The Crown of Righteousness – (2 Timothy 4:8) “Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.” We inherit this crown through the righteousness of Christ which is what gives us a right to it, and without which it cannot be obtained. Because it is obtained and possessed in a righteous way, and not by force and deceit as earthly crowns sometimes are, it is an everlasting crown, promised to all who love the Lord and eagerly wait for His return. Through our enduring discouragements, persecutions, sufferings, or even death, we know assuredly our reward is with Christ in eternity (Philippians 3:20). This crown is not for those who depend upon their own sense of righteousness or of their own works. Such an attitude breeds only arrogance and pride, not a longing, a fervent desire to be with the Lord.

4) The Crown of Glory – (1 Peter 5:4) “And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.” Though Peter is addressing the elders, we must also remember that the crown will be awarded to all those who long for or love His appearing. This word “glory” is an interesting word referring to the very nature of God and His actions. It entails His great splendor and brightness. Recall Stephen who, while being stoned to death, was able to look into the heavens and see the glory of God (Acts 7:55-56). This word also means that the praise and honor we bestow to God alone is due Him because of who He is (Isaiah 42:8, 48:11; Galatians 1:5). It also recognizes that believers are incredibly blessed to enter into the kingdom, into the very likeness of Christ Himself. For as Paul so eloquently put it, “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us” (Romans 8:18 NKJV).

5) The Crown of Life – (Revelation 2:10) “Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.” This crown is for all believers, but is especially dear to those who endure sufferings, who bravely confront persecution for Jesus, even to the point of death. In Scripture the word “life” is often used to show a relationship that is right with God. It was Jesus who said, “I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly” (John 10:10). Just as things such as air, food, and water are vital for our physical lives, Jesus provides us what is required for our spiritual lives. He is the One who provides “living water.” He is the “bread of life” (John 4:10, 6:35). We know that our earthly lives will end. But we have the amazing promise that comes only to those who come to God through Jesus: “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25).
 
You need to understand the rewards and punishment system for those who are saved.”

Jesus Christ

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;( saved )

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”( not saved )
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( saved )

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( not saved )
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-

The apostle Paul

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
( saved )

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”( not saved ) ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;( not saved )

whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. ( saved )

Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s all true ….. and so we want to listen to the judges words

for instance if all I have quoted from Jesus and his apostle Paul is true ( it is ) then how would this impact a person who believed it ?


Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s actually pretty clear according to scripture god has been warning us always

If we listen to our lord and savior and what he was teaching then come judgement day we’re going to be fine but stuff like this is important stuff

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See this

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

doesn’t mean this isn’t true or applicable

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you;
Its just that both aspects are true

As we learn things we’re meant to add them to the other not use one thing to subtract or remove the other thing from the understanding

The term “ grace” is not understood well sometimes because we’re making it a way to get gnore and remove the truth of his word regarding repentance , obedience and eternal judgement
remission of sins is a good subject to study ……but n important point to me is that this

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t change this doctrine

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

rather we’re meant add each detail for a better grasp and fuller knowledge
you know none of your response hear actually deals with the rewards in heaven. in fact you seem to post this same irrelevant comments in every response regardless of the thread.
 
you know none of your response hear actually deals with the rewards in heaven. in fact you seem to post this same irrelevant comments in every response regardless of the

i feel like it’s a waste of time for us to talk about this so I’ll let you have the last word and move on to someone who wants to discuss what the Bible says


God bless
 
It’s hard to get some of you to even address what scriptures actually says
your response has nothing to do with the thread. in this case "rewards" in heaven. All youve done it list a bunch of statements that seem to indicate that the person your responding to is sinning, not listening to God, ignoring scripture, not forgiving etc... its like your a cut and paste bot.

your the one not addressing the initial question or premise.
 
your response has nothing to do with the thread. in this case "rewards" in heaven. All youve done it list a bunch of statements that seem to indicate that the person your responding to is sinning, not listening to God, ignoring scripture, not forgiving etc... its like your a cut and paste bot.
… the hypergracer doctrine crumbles when it actually has to read what’s there huh ?

when you guys start explaining things …there needs to be some scripture present so that people know better
 
I had to look that up... are you sure you havent been drinking... no one sayhing anything aboutg grace hypergrace or anything near that.
You aren’t mad at me your mad because I showed you what Paul wrote to the church in his epistles

“But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (
it’s ridiculous for you to pretend you can’t understand what he’s saying ) There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬


your response “ your icky because you keep posting scripture in a bi ke discussion forum and I don’t like what Paul said ! Humph! Grumpy! Humph !”


This is a waste of my time and your also even though you don’t recognize it
 
You aren’t mad at me your mad because I showed you what Paul wrote to the church in his epistles

“But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (
it’s ridiculous for you to pretend you can’t understand what he’s saying ) There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬


your response “ your icky because you keep posting scripture in a bi ke discussion forum and I don’t like what Paul said ! Humph! Grumpy! Humph !”


This is a waste of my time and your also even though you don’t recognize it
You cant stay on topic... (again its "Rewards in Heaven") but if you actually want to play this out. please using my own words show me where I am guilty of any of your assertions in your lenghty message.
 
You cant stay on topic... (again its "Rewards in Heaven") but if you actually want to play this out. please using my own words show me where I am guilty of any of your assertions in your lenghty message.
I’m gonna put you on ignore like your buddy I don’t have time to waste on silly things take care
 
So what your are saying is that no one who has not spoken in tounges does not have the holy spirit....
I'm sharing what is recorded in the Word. So you decide.

The Word itself states that truth is established by 2-3 witnesses, This means the details given in 2-3 scriptures about a given topic reveal what is true:

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matt. 18:16

This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.2 Cor. 13:1
 
1. Receiving the Holy Ghost into one's body is essential for salvation. (Rom. 8:9) And all accounts that record specific details show tongues was the evidence that accompanied the experience.

2. There is a distinction in tongues. Scripture reveals 100% exhibit the sign of tongues upon receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7 and 8:12-18 alludes to it) Whereas, not all will be used to present God's message in an unknown tongue for the edification of members of a congregation. The message is then interpreted via the Spiritual Gift of Interpretation. Both experiences are miraculous in nature.

Thankfully, I have never been mixed up with the crowd you represent.
 
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