Eternal Security

[FancyNancy]

I'm just basking in the fact this thread is still pure and uninterrupted.

I am actually shocked by that!

 

[JesusIsAll]

I'm just basking in the fact this thread is still pure and uninterrupted.

There is this thing of speaking too soon, the glass half empty more often. Perhaps the best one could expect is for the thread to quietly die, sink into thread list oblivion. As to it surviving long this way, I'd have to bet against it!

 

[Rosesrock]

There is this thing of speaking too soon, the glass half empty more often. Perhaps the best one could expect is for the thread to quietly die, sink into thread list oblivion. As to it surviving long this way, I'd have to bet against it!

im an encourager. . Let me bask. Shhhhhh

 

[JesusIsAll]

I thought lordship salvation was the belief that if he's not Lord of all than he's not Lord at all. Meaning there are still things you need to deal with.

I'm not sure what all the whining is about over this issue, have never studied it, as I've never had a problem with Jesus being the Lord, the clarity of this. I study some cults, but don't as much even research every controversy. It's like understanding all the Catholic arguments. There's time better spent on what's absolute truth and profitable. Maybe somebody else can speak to this, because I'm not up on all the complaints out there, have never had an interest in the "Lordship salvation" big to do, if it is one to somebody.

 

[Rosesrock]

I'm not sure what all the whining is about over this issue, have never studied it, as I've never had a problem with Jesus being the Lord, the clarity of this. I study some cults, but don't as much even research every controversy. It's like understanding all the Catholic arguments. There's time better spent on what's absolute truth and profitable. Maybe somebody else can speak to this, because I'm not up on all the complaints out there, have never had an interest in the "Lordship salvation" big to do, if it is one to somebody.

Well in the south, seems everyone goes to church or is born Christian cause grandma did. I've probably heard WAy more than I've wanted. But this was pretty big around here for awhile. So. Iz jus azkin.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Well in the south, seems everyone goes to church or is born Christian cause grandma did. I've probably heard WAy more than I've wanted. But this was pretty big around here for awhile. So. Iz jus azkin.

Sorry. I wish I knew more about it. One doesn't inherit salvation or receive it by osmosis, we can all say that! But you're making me curious to look into it. I simply know what the Bible teachings on Jesus Christ being our Lord, what this means He's our Master, to obey, and have heard plenty of sermons over the years on this, mainly why I haven't had an interest in the controversy, as I'm fine with knowing the Lord and nobody else is complaining about this. I have heard a lot about easy believism and invalid salvation experiences over the years, and don't believe in easy believism, because there is the issue of repentance required that involves a change of mind and agreement with God, and the actual receiving of the Holy Spirit. I don't believe in the confession the demons also make, in other words. There is a born again new creature, as opposed to an old man still dead, who thinks he has a "get out of hell free" card for touching the TV for Billy Graham, then it's life as usual thereafter, drinks all around at the bar: some head "faith" without repentance. God is not mocked, don't think so.

 

[dcontroversal]

There is this thing of speaking too soon, the glass half empty more often. Perhaps the best one could expect is for the thread to quietly die, sink into thread list oblivion. As to it surviving long this way, I'd have to bet against it!

Amen to that...the blood is in the water and the sharks will get a whiff soon........

 

[JesusIsAll]

Amen to that...the blood is in the water and the sharks will get a whiff soon........

Probably any fool could tell we've been around here too long! You so long that you probably log on with a spear gun.

 

[dcontroversal]

Probably any fool could tell we've been around here too long! You so long that you probably log on with a spear gun.

I wish it were that simple..........

 

[seed_time_harvest]

IE.
If you are at the store and in line and the person in front of you pulls out their wallet to pay for their items and they drop a 50.00 dollar bill the old you might step on it or hope they don't see before they leave and then you pick up and might have the audacity to say GOD blessed you.

The new you would think about love your neighbor and do right towards them but if you don't renew your mind even though you have a new nature you may still do what your old nature would have done and keep the money.
Over time you can become insensitive and if you do this long enough you could possibly become reprobate and not care anymore an be rejected because you have sincerely become that way knowing what is right and wrong.

That's why I have a need for more revelation on OSAS.

 

[JesusIsAll]

IE.
If you are at the store and in line and the person in front of you pulls out their wallet to pay for their items and they drop a 50.00 dollar bill the old you might step on it or hope they don't see before they leave and then you pick up and might have the audacity to say GOD blessed you.

The new you would think about love your neighbor and do right towards them but if you don't renew your mind even though you have a new nature you may still do what your old nature would have done and keep the money.
Over time you can become insensitive and if you do this long enough you could possibly become reprobate and not care anymore an be rejected because you have sincerely become that way knowing what is right and wrong.

That's why I have a need for more revelation on OSAS.

All you've done is stated an anecdote, put forth some scenario, elaborated on it in your own way of thinking, which has no bearing on the truth in the word of God. Do you understand this, that you've just provided an opinion piece of your own thinking? There's no mention of the Holy Spirit in your thinking, as if the most important aspect of the believer isn't even in the equation? Yes, you need to seek better revelation on this. I'd suggest, if you're truly interested, Google those who teach eternal security as truth, which is every Spirit-filled scholar of unblemished repute I can think of. This is mainstream Reformed Christianity, over the generations. Read everything there is about it: if you have the Spirit, you'll see the truth.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Over time you can become insensitive and if you do this long enough you could possibly become reprobate and not care anymore an be rejected because you have sincerely become that way knowing what is right and wrong.

The teaching of those who have become "reprobates" in Romans 1 is reflective of the one who has lived in sin all his life and his heart becomes so hardened by it that it will not open the Holy Spirit's drawing and calling to faith. It in no way applies to a believer, who cannot "lose" his/her salvation, cannot "walk away" from Christ, cannot "pry him/herself" of the cupped hand of Christ and the Father John 10,28, 29). The belief that salvation can be lost is heresy.

 

[Sirk]

Worth a listen.

[video=youtube;EN06cRrW3kk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN06cRrW3kk[/video]

 

[JesusIsAll]

Worth a listen.

[video=youtube;EN06cRrW3kk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN06cRrW3kk[/video]

Now, there's a man after God's own heart, if there ever was in our times, no doubt in glory as we speak. Thank you for that contribution! They don't call you The Sirk for nothin'!

Nuff said, for the thread...

 

[Angela53510]

Attached is a document I did on the topic of assurance of salvation. It's something I am very passionate about.

After reading a book by RC Sproul called Faith Alone, I accepted that my salvation was all about what Christ did on the cross, and not about my works. That naturally led to me accepting eternal security.

I am not a big fan of the once saved-always saved label as it seems to convey antinomianism. I prefer the phrase "preservation of the Holy Spirit" but that's a bit long.

Rats, my Ipad will only open the link in Safari, and the writing is for munchkins only. Another time when I am on my computer!

 

[Angela53510]

IE.
If you are at the store and in line and the person in front of you pulls out their wallet to pay for their items and they drop a 50.00 dollar bill the old you might step on it or hope they don't see before they leave and then you pick up and might have the audacity to say GOD blessed you.

The new you would think about love your neighbor and do right towards them but if you don't renew your mind even though you have a new nature you may still do what your old nature would have done and keep the money.
Over time you can become insensitive and if you do this long enough you could possibly become reprobate and not care anymore an be rejected because you have sincerely become that way knowing what is right and wrong.

That's why I have a need for more revelation on OSAS.

Your example doesn't work for me. My mom was not a Christian for most of her life. I always remember when I was a teen, she counted the money a bank teller had given her, and she was given too much money. She went back to the teller and gave her the extra money back.

When I asked her why, she said because the teller would have to pay for the money out of the salary she earned. My mom was compassionate and honest. But she was NOT saved at that point.

Eternal security, is NOT about what you do. It is about what Jesus did on the cross for us. That is the whole point of believing in Jesus. Anyone can be loving, compassionate, honest or act righteous.

But only those who believe in Jesus, and turn from their sins are saved. And then, we follow Jesus, we do not become a "reprobate."

Instead, we trust the Holy Spirit is transforming us into the image of Christ.

"Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

In both verses above, the word "transformed" is in the passive tense in both the Greek and English. That means that it is something done TO US! It is not about something we do. We are commanded to cooperate, but in the end, it is the Holy Spsirit that does the work, just as it is the Holy Spirit who saves us, not our works.

 

[CRC]

Imagine being rescued from a burning tower. Think of the relief you would feel as you were safely taken from the building and the rescuer said: “You are safe now.” Yes, you would have been saved from certain death. But what would happen if you decided to go back into the building for some foolish reason? Your life would again be in danger.
Christians are in a saved condition. They have the prospect of everlasting life because they are in an approved position before God. As a group, their salvation from Adamic sin and all its consequences is sure. But individually they will be saved to eternal life only if they continue to adhere to all of God’s requirements. Jesus emphasized this when he likened himself to a vine and his disciples to branches in that vine. He said: “Every branch in me not bearing fruit [God] takes away . . . If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and men gather those branches up and pitch them into the fire and they are burned.” (John 15:2, 6; Hebrews 6:4-6) Those losing faith in Jesus also lose everlasting life.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The teaching of those who have become "reprobates" in Romans 1 is reflective of the one who has lived in sin all his life and his heart becomes so hardened by it that it will not open the Holy Spirit's drawing and calling to faith. It in no way applies to a believer, who cannot "lose" his/her salvation, cannot "walk away" from Christ, cannot "pry him/herself" of the cupped hand of Christ and the Father John 10,28, 29). The belief that salvation can be lost is heresy.[/QUOTEQUOTE=Viligant_Warrior;2133610]The teaching of those who have become "reprobates" in Romans 1 is reflective of the one who has lived in sin all his life and his heart becomes so hardened by it that it will not open the Holy Spirit's drawing and calling to faith. It in no way applies to a believer, who cannot "lose" his/her salvation, cannot "walk away" from Christ, cannot "pry him/herself" of the cupped hand of Christ and the Father John 10,28, 29). The belief that salvation can be lost is heresy.

I guess those scriptures in Hebrews 6:4-6 didn't need to be put in the bible because it wouldn't matter anyway.

Maybe those scriptures were just to make the bible larger because why even put that in the bible as a warning if it wouldn't matter anyway.

 

[Utah]

Amen to that...the blood is in the water and the sharks will get a whiff soon........

And the Blood of Christ at that!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Your example doesn't work for me. My mom was not a Christian for most of her life. I always remember when I was a teen, she counted the money a bank teller had given her, and she was given too much money. She went back to the teller and gave her the extra money back.

When I asked her why, she said because the teller would have to pay for the money out of the salary she earned. My mom was compassionate and honest. But she was NOT saved at that point.

Eternal security, is NOT about what you do. It is about what Jesus did on the cross for us. That is the whole point of believing in Jesus. Anyone can be loving, compassionate, honest or act righteous.

But only those who believe in Jesus, and turn from their sins are saved. And then, we follow Jesus, we do not become a "reprobate."

Instead, we trust the Holy Spirit is transforming us into the image of Christ.

"Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

In both verses above, the word "transformed" is in the passive tense in both the Greek and English. That means that it is something done TO US! It is not about something we do. We are commanded to cooperate, but in the end, it is the Holy Spsirit that does the work, just as it is the Holy Spirit who saves us, not our works.

that was a good thing she did but nevertheless GOD will look at you through JESUS first not your works first.
That's why we need to renew our mind