Eternal security

[Jon4TheCross]

Maybe the New testament is backwards....do this...do this...do this...and don't do this is only used when needed?
One needful thing. If we do that...wow.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

In an arena like this, which is worldwide, I find myself very aware that whatever is posted from me is subject not only to Biblical accuracy, but is also judged for wording and intent. If any of my posts sound patronizing or contemptible, then I ask your pardon. My aim is to encourage not only other believers, but myself as well. My objective is Ephesians 4:14-15, but my method is verse 32.

contemptible is what they called Paul (who was following Jesus)...so that's a good sign lol.

2 Corinthians 10:9-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]9 [/SUP]that I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

 

[notmyown]

Alas, there are no names written in the book of the Law, only laws are written in the book.

i'm sorry? if you don't want to include the Revelation (though i see no reason not to), what about Phil 4:3?

 

[notmyown]

Alas, there are no names written in the book of the Law, only laws are written in the book. Secondly, book of the living or book of life, hmmm.. sounds like the same to me. So, I guess those statements made by God to Moses and the words of Jesus in Revelation are just figurative in nature? I don't think so, but, believe what you will.

i'm sorry? if you don't want to include the Revelation (though i see no reason not to), what about Phil 4:3?

i apologize! my glasses are downstairs, and i thought you had written Book of Life in the first line.

may i ask you to clarify? are you saying there are only laws written in the Book of Life?

i'm confused, but being me, i'm used to it.

and welcome to the site.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hello, Grace777x70. I appreciate your response to my thread. I've been at this Christian walk for more than a day, less than a century and I'm always cognizant of the fact that there are those who live with what I refer to as a 'gotcha' mentality. It's either unbelievers who think if they can find the one in a million thing concerning God or His attributes that seems contradictory, then they 'got' Him seemingly. On the other hand, there are those, such as yourself, who tend to present various scenarios that somehow seem intent on making God the one to say 'gotcha' to us. Crashing your car or being less than joyful at any given moment in time and suddenly dying and standing before a stern God who points an accusing finger at you to condemn you to hell for eternity. Do you really think God is like that? Waiting for the moment in time for you to fail and then, 'poof', you're in hell. If you don't think Paul wasn't doing works for the Lord (at the Lord's request), then I don't know what you'd call it. Show me any scripture which says your ability to choose is forfeited upon receipt of salvation in your life. Why do you think the writer of Hebrews likened Abraham's departure for the promised land to righteousness? He didn't simply believe God, but obeyed Him in that he did the work of leaving Ur of the Chaldees and going forth in faith. Never forget that faith without works is dead and no dead type of faith will get you into eternity with God. Have a good weekend.

I was attempting to find out exactly what God's will is. It means different things to different people depending on their religious backgrounds.

Here is what I have found "in scripture" concerning the will of God for salvation and being with Him for eternity.

Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being led by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.


[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[valiant]

Valiant said -Nowhere does it say we can be blotted out of the book of life. You misread the text. We ARE told twice that our names are written in it from the foundation of the world. Deut 29.20and Exod 32.33 refer to another book, the first the book of the Law, the second that of the living. Get your ideas sorted out!

Alas, there are no names written in the book of the Law, only laws are written in the book. Secondly, book of the living or book of life, hmmm.. sounds like the same to me. So, I guess those statements made by God to Moses and the words of Jesus in Revelation are just figurative in nature? I don't think so, but, believe what you will.

But Deut does not say any names are written are written in a book, He says 'all the curse that is written in this book (Of the Law) shall be upon him'.

secondly the book of the living in Exod is the book in which the living are written. Moses would not pray to be written out of the book of life

thirdly our names are written in the book of life in Rev from the foundation of the world. Elsewhere he says 'their name shall NOT be blotted out of the book of life (certainty)?' That does not imply that they can be. It is a negative confirming the positive. You may believe God denies Himself. I don't.
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[Valmar]

Yes, that one is also good.

 

[Valmar]

Hello, notmyown. No, I was just responding to comments made by Valiant on post #16 of this thread.

 

[Valmar]

I'm not sure what it is your trying to say. But, for the sake of peace, we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[Valmar]

Yes, I agree with that. You can't gain heaven with only faith and you certainly can't make it on works alone. It's a combination of the two. That's why Jesus is not only our Savior for our faith requirement, but He's also our Lord for the works (service) aspect. Paul, after his conversion, still had to deal with his tendency to do wrong. Why? It's a battle for your soul and Satan doesn't care until you leave his camp by becoming a believer. Jesus told us to take up our cross daily when we follow Him. Daily, not weekly or annually, but daily. Our service to and relationship with Jesus and God the Father are based on a fluid ongoing connection that demands our fullest attention and commitment. Acts 17:28 says it best with it notes that, "In Him we live, and move, and have our being...". That pretty much sums it up.

 

[Valmar]

Just a quick note. You need to reread Exodus 32:32 and note the words Moses said to God. Secondly, your 3rd point is correct with conditions. Stay true to God and persevere in your walk with Him as Jesus warns the church of Sardis to do in Rev. 3. Also, don't forget God's reply to Moses in Exodus 32 verse 33. Either instance in Exodus or Revelation, it still is the same book and the same removal can take place. It depends on you and your willingness to follow the Lord. To him who overcomes, He (Jesus) will not blot his name out. Period.

 

[langeland1993]

I look at it simply like this. We can lose our salvation. How? If we accept Christ and are born again, yet we go and unrepentantly commit sins we are no longer living our faith. We have chosen to stray away. Repentance is necessary for salvation.

 

[posthuman]

let's ask if you can know if you are saved...can we know if we ARE actually saved or not?

((imagines))

"are you saved?"

"well, i was earlier, then i stopped thinking about God for a little while so i wasn't anymore."

"that's too bad. hope you have a nice weekend."

"yeah - God is good, right?"

"amen!"

"woohoo! now i'm saved again!"

"nice!"

"hey is that a squirrel?"

"aw nuts man, now you're not saved anymore. you just thought about a squirrel instead of giving glory to God, that wasn't of faith so it was a sin."

"drat! well, i gotta go see the priest i guess. later"

"yeah; bye. probably see you in hell!" ​

hmm.

 

[Grace777x70]

((imagines))

"are you saved?"

"well, i was earlier, then i stopped thinking about God for a little while so i wasn't anymore."

"that's too bad. hope you have a nice weekend."

"yeah - God is good, right?"

"amen!"

"woohoo! now i'm saved again!"

"nice!"

"hey is that a squirrel?"

"aw nuts man, now you're not saved anymore. you just thought about a squirrel instead of giving glory to God, that wasn't of faith so it was a sin."

"drat! well, i gotta go see the priest i guess. later"

"yeah; bye. probably see you in hell!" ​

hmm.

LOL..good one!...and this scenario can be acted out in our unrenewed minds on many different fronts. The battlefield is definitely the mind so we need to have our minds renewed to the truth of our eternal salvation in Christ.

In " security" develops "maturity" just like in all relationships.

 

[posthuman]

In " security" develops "maturity" just like in all relationships.

hey that works both ways, doesn't it?

as we develop maturity, we find security --
-- and when we have security, we develop maturity

 

[posthuman]

One needful thing. If we do that...wow.

one thing

[video=youtube;EfAhpX_wIBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAhpX_wIBk[/video]

He didn't die for nothing . . ♪♫​

 

[posthuman]

One needful thing. If we do that...wow.

one thing

[video=youtube;xaZ8npGD_OM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZ8npGD_OM[/video]

i just know Jesus is the way
i just know Jesus is the life
i just know Jesus is the truth
i just know Jesus is my God! ♪♪​

 

[mailmandan]

That seems to be the siren cry of our day. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21 that whoever does the will of the Father in heaven shall enter in. Again, another example of Christ' lordship in a believer's life is used. That's for a reason, the only way to make heaven is not simply by faith, but faith accompanied by works. Do His will, do His will, do His will. That should be our mantra, so to speak.

*Salvation by works is not the will of the Father - "Lord, Lord, didn't WE.. (Matthew 7:22-23). John 6:40 - For My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

 

[JGIG]

In " security" develops "maturity" just like in all relationships.

Yes!


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A child who grows up in a home where they are constantly fearful of being disowned will mess up more, will rebel more, will be dysfunctional - because that's not how God designed us to function.

God designed us to function from a place of absolute security - our position with Him is based on His love for us and who we are in Christ and His faithfulness as our High Priest. In Him we are loved and we are secure, and can grow and mature in His care.

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
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11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. (from 1 Jn. 4)​

One need only to look at families around them to see the differences in the children . . . of course everyone is an individual, but overall, families full of consistent grace, love and stability (and by stability I mean spiritual stability - there are always all kinds of ups and downs in life) produce joyful, balanced children. Families where there are conditions and threats attached to expectations produce fearful, insecure, and sometimes very angry children. They may have success in life because they've been pushed, but they will have little if any real relationship with their parents and may struggle relationally with others, as well as a lack of joy. Thankfully there is a second chance at a spiritual family in Christ for folks from families like that!

Thanks be to God that He is a kind, consistent Father, and that we have a Perfect, Permanent High Priest Who is able to empathize with our weaknesses - and intercedes for us anyway \o/! (Heb. 4, 1 Jn. 2)

-JGIG

 

[posthuman]

one thing

He didn't die for nothing . . ♪♫​

hehe hey somehow i managed to post the 'wrong' video

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↑ this one; this is what i meant