Ezekiel 28 indicates that Satan was present in the Garden of Eden, while Ezekiel 31 suggests that the trees in the garden symbolize people. In verse nine, God refers to Satan by stating,“ I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.” Trees lack the ability to envy, whereas people do possess this capacity. We assume that Adam and Eve were the only ones in the garden. Jesus said that a tree is known by its fruits which is a metaphor to show the true character of a person. Throughout the Bible trees frequently symbolize people. Do you really believe God is talk about a literal tree when he referred to the tree possessing the knowledge of good and evil. The tree is metaphorical. In Matthew 7:18 Jesus said, “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” He used the analogy to show satan’s character as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Only one tree in the garden knew evil and that person was Satan.
You have become the prisoner of literalism and wooden chronology.Adam and Eve were not the man and woman created on the sixth day.
God told the survivors of the flood to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. Replenish the earth means to repopulate the earth due to the lives loss in the flood. We can all agree. The same hold true for the man and woman in Genesis 1:28, They were told to multiply, and replenish the earth.To fill the earth again. I mentioned that Revelation chapters 1-12 contain aspects that are missing from Genesis 2, and that Moses supports this claim in Genesis 2:4 when wrote, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,” If you go back and read Genesis 1 you will find the first flood, and if you compare the Spirit of God to that of the ark, you will see that the Spirit of God was a vessel.No, they were not. They had no knowledge of Torah because it wasn’t compiled until thousands of years later.
I admire your chutzpah, but you’re off track here.
I see you like inventing things and calling them Scripture. That is specifically warned against in… Scripture. Revelation 22:18.
That’s not what it says.
We shape our discernment of Adam in Genesis chapter 3, yet this chapter and other biblical passages do not state that he sinned. Our understanding of Adam's sin is hearsay and conjecture rather than solid evidence from the Bible.Analogies are good for what analogies are good for. But be careful not to ascribe reality to metaphors, otherwise Jesus becomes a barn animal and a flashlight.
It is wrong to think God did not want Adam and Eve to know good and evil. Sons of God, today, are given instruction about how good and evil are discerned.
"But solid food belongs to those who are mature, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
Furthermore, it was given to man, in Christ, to properly judge matters by employing eternal wisdom. Because Satan preceded the garden, Adam and Eve would have had to know good and evil to properly judge the angels.
So, simply knowing good and evil was not the issue. The issue was the manner in which man received the knowledge of good and evil: by their own means or by connection to their Father, God. This is the culmination of "the lust of the eyes", the "lust of the flesh" and "the pride of life" ("My flesh will inform me about what I need and may eat".) Prior to their fall, Adam and Woman did not see themselves as creatures of flesh. They were like their Father: a spirit. Their flesh was simply the container of their spirits. After the fall, Adam and Eve identified with their vessel. And God, who was their Father - because He was much greater than they - was an threat to be avoided.
God created man and woman on the sixth day in Genesis 1:27. He rested on the seventh day in Genesis 2:2 and the seventh day ended. Adam was created on the first day in Genesis 2:7 and Eve in the garden in Genesis 2:22. If Adam and Eve was created on the sixth day, then Genesis 22 is before God rested in Genesis 2:2. We have created a Paradoxical loop. The man and woman created on the sixth day was not Adam and Eve and the scriptures never said they were, you did.You have become the prisoner of literalism and wooden chronology.
Your assertion has many problematic implications.
God created man and woman on the sixth day in Genesis 1:27. He rested on the seventh day in Genesis 2:2 and the seventh day ended. Adam was created on the first day in Genesis 2:7 and Eve in the garden in Genesis 2:22. If Adam and Eve was created on the sixth day, then Genesis 22 is before God rested in Genesis 2:2. We have created a Paradoxical loop. The man and woman created on the sixth day was not Adam and Eve and the scriptures never said they were, you did.You have become the prisoner of literalism and wooden chronology.
Your assertion has many problematic implications.
There is no paradox. The problem is you’re trying to read the text as though chapter 2 is subsequent to chapter 1. It ain’t necessarily so.God created man and woman on the sixth day in Genesis 1:27. He rested on the seventh day in Genesis 2:2 and the seventh day ended. Adam was created on the first day in Genesis 2:7 and Eve in the garden in Genesis 2:22. If Adam and Eve was created on the sixth day, then Genesis 22 is before God rested in Genesis 2:2. We have created a Paradoxical loop. The man and woman created on the sixth day was not Adam and Eve and the scriptures never said they were, you did.
Adam is the created son.There is much hate toward Adam but know this he was the begotten son of God and I mean literally.
Of course the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a real tree. How else could Eve have seen that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes? How could she take its fruit and eat it?Ezekiel 28 indicates that Satan was present in the Garden of Eden, while Ezekiel 31 suggests that the trees in the garden symbolize people. In verse nine, God refers to Satan by stating,“ I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.” Trees lack the ability to envy, whereas people do possess this capacity. We assume that Adam and Eve were the only ones in the garden. Jesus said that a tree is known by its fruits which is a metaphor to show the true character of a person. Throughout the Bible trees frequently symbolize people. Do you really believe God is talk about a literal tree when he referred to the tree possessing the knowledge of good and evil. The tree is metaphorical. In Matthew 7:18 Jesus said, “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” He used the analogy to show satan’s character as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Only one tree in the garden knew evil and that person was Satan.
What are you basing that notion on? I ask because the Bible elsewhere refers to Adam as "the first man":Adam and Eve were not the man and woman created on the sixth day.
Of course the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a real tree. How else could Eve have seen that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes? How could she take its fruit and eat it?
As for Satan being in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 3 makes that clear. As for Ezekiel 31:9 referring to Satan in the Garden of Eden, that takes no account of the context. The first verses of the chapter tell us what the tree represented:
(Eze 31:1-3 NKJV) Now it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his multitude: 'Whom are you like in your greatness? Indeed Assyria was a cedar in Lebanon, With fine branches that shaded the forest, And of high stature; And its top was among the thick boughs.
Verse 9 is still talking about the same tree. Assyria, not Satan.
But the seed, soil, wheat, tares, sheep, goats, landowner, workers, virgins, and talents are all elements in parables. Are you saying that Genesis 3 is a parable?How else?
In the same way the seed, soil, wheat, tares, sheep, goats, landowner, workers, virgins, and talents are else!
Stop focusing on the physical (Matt. 16:6-12, John 16:25-31)!
But the seed, soil, wheat, tares, sheep, goats, landowner, workers, virgins, and talents are all elements in parables. Are you saying that Genesis 3 is a parable?
But surely it cannot be correct to spiritualise everything we read in the Bible. I agree that there are spiritual lessons to be learned from physical happenings that are recorded in Scripture, but that doesn't mean that the physical events did not happen.Possibly, even likely, even though I cannot think of better names for the first sinners than Adam and Eve.
But what Jesus said was "Stop focusing on the physical" (Matt. 16:6-12, John 16:25-31)!
But surely it cannot be correct to spiritualise everything we read in the Bible. I agree that there are spiritual lessons to be learned from physical happenings that are recorded in Scripture, but that doesn't mean that the physical events did not happen.
I agree that there is some picture language in Genesis 3, for example, the bruising of the head and heel. But the happenings recorded in Genesis 3 are real, not just a story with a spiritual meaning. Adam would indeed have to work for his food, and the ground would bring forth thorns and thistles. Eve (and all mothers after her) would indeed experience pain in childbirth. And so on.Yes, we must exercise discernment in order to separate parable from historical.
Gen. 3 contains elements typical of parables.
Gen. 12-50 seems to be literal history.
We shape our discernment of Adam in Genesis chapter 3, yet this chapter and other biblical passages do not state that he sinned. Our understanding of Adam's sin is hearsay and conjecture rather than solid evidence from the Bible.
We ignore what Paul wrote about Adam in Romans 5:14, “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.” The word “similitude” means similar. Adam's transgression was like that of those who did not sin. Adam's similarity to those who did not sin is what they will not tell you. We rely on what people say rather than what we read in the scriptures.
We say these things about Adam without considering the person. In Genesis chapter 5, Moses wrote that God made Adam in his likeness. According to you God make a sinner in his likeness? Jesus is the only other man who is like God. That alone should convince you that Adam is not the villain people make him out to be.
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; (Genesis 5:1 KJV)
Timothy said, "Adam was not deceived, but the woman who was deceived was in transgression. Notwithstanding, she shall be saved." Assuming both man and woman sinned, both would need salvation. The woman was the only one in need of salvation, not the man. Timothy did not say they shall be saved; he said, "She shall be saved." God placed her under her husband's tutelage because of what she did.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2:14-15 KJV)
Three Bibles present arguments that clear Adam of the accusation of disobedience against God. Despite strong evidence supporting Adam, the belief that he sinned persists. These texts indicate that Satan deceived the woman rather than the man. The New Living Translation said that Satan was present in the garden.
New International Version
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
New Living Translation
And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.
English Standard Version
and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
In Luke 3:38 Adam was the son of God and 1 Corinthians 15:45 Jesus is called the last Adam. Why would God and Jesus associate themselves with a sinner? The account of Adam's disobedience is based on a flawed perspective.
There is no verse in the Bible that accuses Adam of sin, yet there are multiple verses that suggest he did not sin. What is discouraging about the perception of Adam's disobedience is that no one considered giving him the benefit of the doubt.
We ignore what Paul wrote about Adam in Romans 5:14, “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.” The word “similitude” means similar. Adam's transgression was like that of those who did not sin. Adam's similarity to those who did not sin is what they will not tell you. We rely on what people say rather than what we read in the scriptures.
There is no verse in the Bible that accuses Adam of sin
when you sin (miss the mark ... fall short of the glory of God) is it due to God sending you strong delusion that you should believe a lie?Three agreements out of four is good, but discerning that spiritual truth is eternal (both from the beginning until the end) is now needed.
You seem logical enough to connect those dots.