Eve did not sin by eating of the tree.
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GWH said “love summarizes the epitome of morality”. Because “God is love”, GWH effectively reduces the gospel to another law. If you don’t understand that ask, and I’ll expand on that tomorrow. I’m on an iPad now. Typing is slow.
The Scriptures I cited describe God as loving and summarize GRFS as faith in Jesus that produces love, so you should not view them as reducing to law.
you are not staying on point ... you claim Adam lied to Eve ...
But He altered what God said, told Eve a lie, she bought it, and they, and we suffered for it.
No one knows what Adam said to Eve and to insist that you know for a fact that Adam lied to Eve is 100% supposition on your part.
it does not appear Eve received your memo:
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Eve confessed that she ate.
Eve did not confess she gave to Adam.
Appears to me that Eve answered concerning having eaten of the tree ... she did not answer what you claim was the issue. Eve was there at the time ... you were not. Eve answered the question God asked, and in her understanding, she answered that she had eaten.
really? ... then rather than vociferously insisting Adam lied to Eve, why don't you just admit that you do not know what Adam told Eve?
Only God knows what Adam said to Eve. We only know what God said to Adam. We only know what Eve said to satan ... "God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die".
We do not know for a fact that Adam told Eve not to touch. We do not know for a fact that Adam reduced the "ye shalt surely die" to "lest ye die".
you do not acknowledge that Eve answered God's question according to what she understood God was asking ... and Eve was there at the time, you were not ... and God did not correct her and tell her she was judged "for giving the fruit to Adam and getting him to eat".
It was not Adam who deceived Eve ... Eve told God she was beguiled by the serpent. God did not correct her understanding. God did not point out that she had been deceived by Adam.
And again, you do not know what Adam told Eve.
God did judge Eve for eating of the tree.
God never corrected Eve when she confessed "I did eat". God didn't tell Eve "because you gave to your husband to eat" when He meted out His judgment for Eve having eaten.
You do not know that "Nothing happened when Eve ate".
You do not know there was "No change at all" when she ate.
I do not believe Adam was with Eve when satan approached her. I believe Eve was off by herself and it was satan who deceived Eve ... which is why there is no warning from Adam to Eve ... no words from Adam "Eve don't eat".
Do you think Adam was there and stood silent as he watched satan deceive Eve?
When Eve ate, she was still physically alive, but she was no longer clothed in righteousness.
When Adam saw Eve after she ate, then he ate the fruit she gave him to join her in her present state. Adam joined his wife (Genesis 2:24).
Genesis 3:7 does not state "THEN the eyes of both of them were opened".
Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Eve's eyes were opened the moment she ate. Adam's eyes were opened the moment he ate.
reneweddaybyday said:
the fact still remains that Eve knew something would happen (she would die) if she ate of the tree.
you do not know "nothing happened" when Eve ate.
The lie believed by Eve was the lie of satan "Ye shall not surely die".
What God told Adam in Genesis 2:17 was "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" ... the meaning of the words "thou shalt surely die" is "dying you shall die". Their physical lives went on for hundreds of years, but there was a death that occurred "in the day". I happen to believe that the death which occurred when they ate was instantaneous and the death was spiritual in nature.
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reneweddaybyday said:
God's word:
in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die [or "dying thou shalt die"]
satan's word:
Ye shall not surely die
While we have the words Eve spoke to satan, we cannot say ... one way or the other ... that those were the words Adam spoke to Eve.
reneweddaybyday said:
reneweddaybyday said:
reneweddaybyday said:
God tells us all we need to know concerning the situation and now 6 millennia later you're bringing up a non-issue.
p.s. Instead of using logic and reason, try faith ... the results are much better for us.
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All we know is what God told Adam ... we do not know what Adam told Eve because God's Word is silent on that point.
satan.
God's word:
in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die [or "dying thou shalt die"]
satan's word:
Ye shall not surely die
Eve was not "exceedingly fearful". Fear is not anything Eve experienced prior to the fall.
While we have the words Eve spoke to satan, we cannot say ... one way or the other ... that those were the words Adam spoke to Eve.
reneweddaybyday said:
When Eve responded to the serpent, she said "God hath said".
your claim is Adam "told Eve a lie". The burden is on you to prove Adam lied to Eve.
reneweddaybyday said:
Eve did not say "Adam said".
Don't ask me to prove your point ... prove your own point.
reneweddaybyday said:
And I'm not saying Adam did not tell her what you and others claim/believe ... all I'm saying is we don't know what Adam told Eve..
or you could just let it lay and if you don't want to let it lay, then don't come to me and request that I (or anyone else) provide the Scriptural support to prove something not included in the record.
God tells us all we need to know concerning the situation and now 6 millennia later you're bringing up a non-issue.
p.s. Instead of using logic and reason, try faith ... the results are much better for us.
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I believe Eve died the moment she ate of the tree and the death was spiritual in nature. I believe Adam ate to join his wife in her current state.
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Eve confessed her own sin ; the serpent beguiled me and I did eat . The eating was the sin , she didn't need to confess that she gave it to Adam because giving it to Adam was not a sin . We r not responsible for each others sins and , she did not sin by giving it to Adam , Adam chose to eat it of his own free will . Eve was beguiled , Adam was not .
Sarcasm and name-calling are not fruits of the Spirit. Looks like you failed the test.
It's just like God has been telling me, and telling me, and telling. My enemies are not to blame for what they did to me. It was the devil's fault. And he told me, my adversary is the devil, not those men. Even though they did such dirty nasty thing to me. I think God told me they will be saved, and they are going to turn very quick and straight way. That when the tribulation starts with them, they are going to quickly repent and immediately come into the kingdom of heaven. And, they will make it. It's their fault, it's the devil's fault.
I don't know if I will even been compensated by God for anything that has been done to me.
I don't know if I will even been compensated by God for anything that has been done to me.
U stick with your Saviour and u will b in His Kingdom for sure , we cannot even begin to imagine the joy and the beauty that we will b a part of . Stay faithful to Him and u will b ecstatic ! The Glory of God will fill this earth and u will b a part of that
Those verses (NKJV) say:
(Gen 3:6) So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
(Gen 3:7) Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
I take those verses as meaning what they say, that Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and ate the fruit of the forbidden tree. As verse 6 says that Eve saw that the tree was good for food, when verse 7 talks of their eyes being opened, it cannot mean their physical eyes. As John Gill comments on v7:
"Their eyes were opened to see that they had been deceived by the serpent, that they had broke the commandment of God, and incurred the displeasure of their Creator and kind benefactor."
Physical nakedness had not caused them shame before, but now, they tried to sew fig leaves together to cover themselves.
Interesting topic.
We are told sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4 where there is no law, there is no sin. Rom4:15 So God's laws must have existed in Eden.
Gen 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Gen 3:6 R1When the womanH802 sawH7200 that the treeH6086 was goodH2896a for foodH3978, and that it was a delightH8378 to the eyesH5869, and that the treeH6086 was desirableH2530 to make one wiseH7919a, she tookH3947 from its fruitH6529 and ateH398; and she gaveH5414 alsoH1571 to her husbandH376 with her, and he ateH398.
If we look at this word:
H8378
תּאוה ta'ăvâh
BDB Definition:
1) desire
1a) desire, wish, longings of one’s heart
1a1) lust, appetite, covetousness (bad sense)
1b) thing desired, object of desire
Don't forget, friend, in Christ there is neither male nor female. She did sin by eating of the tree simply because God commanded not to eat of it.
No. Both were guilty. Adam for violating the command given to Him by God alone. Eve for failing in the role for which she was created by "Giving the fruit to the man and getting him to eat." God even includes what Eve had done in the reasons why he got his consequences. "Because you have listened to the woman and have eaten of the tree of which I told you (Singular) not to eat of, ..."
Details are important.
Yes, Adam was guilty of listening to what Eve said, rather than what God had said. However, We read of Eve's answer to God:
(Gen 3:13) And the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
If she did not know that it was wrong to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree, in other words, if she was not forbidden to eat of it, why did she say that the serpent deceived her?
Eve did not ' get ' Adam to eat , he chose to do that himself .