Ever wonder what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?

[veryelect]

I think this would be something for another thread. But the short answer is that these symbols are used repeatedly throughout scripture as judgment figures to show that God was about to bring judgment and destruction upon some particular nation. In the case of Matt. 24 that nation was Israel. But that should be for another thread. Let us not hijack this thread to pursue this.

The bottom line though is that these things that we see, we know them. We see them immediately when we study scripture. Others may not see them. We can try to show them what we see, but if they cannot see them, then there is no way to convince them.

Luk_8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

 

[ELECT]

I think this would be something for another thread. But the short answer is that these symbols are used repeatedly throughout scripture as judgment figures to show that God was about to bring judgment and destruction upon some particular nation. In the case of Matt. 24 that nation was Israel. But that should be for another thread. Let us not hijack this thread to pursue this.

The stars falling are the holy angels coming on earth to reap

 

[oldhermit]

one angel could prevent adam and eve
one angel could kill the samarithan armes

the CHERUBIMS were to protect the tree of life from satan and his angels
the ANGELS were there to battle the unseen evil armies of the devil

That is not what that text says. The enemy that Elisha was the armies of Samaria. This is the army that was the target of the heavenly host.

 

[oldhermit]

The stars falling are the holy angels coming on earth to reap

Perhaps you can show me a test that explains this.

 

[ELECT]

What God is saying about leviathan is not that he is a king over people but that his strength is superior to all others. No one has the right to boast before him. Read that entire chapter and notice all the physical characteristics that God assigns to this creature. He even begins by saying in verse one. “Can you draw out Leviathan with a fishhook? Or press down his tongue with a cord?"

God can still tell all the fallen angels what to do that is what it means

 

[ELECT]

Perhaps you can show me a test that explains this.

you need the key to understand the paables my friend

 

[oldhermit]

The bottom line though is that these things that we see, we know them. We see them immediately when we study scripture. Others may not see them. We can try to show them what we see, but if they cannot see them, then there is no way to convince them.

Luk_8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

No, the bottom line is that you cannot show me anywhere in any of these passages where Satan is ever mentioned. All of your arguments are based on speculation contrary to the language of these texts. You are allowing your interpretation of the text to override the language of the text. Truth lies solely in the grammatical structure of the text, not in our interpretations of the text.

 

[oldhermit]

you need the key to understand the paables my friend

You must still show me a text that tells us this.

 

[oldhermit]

God can still tell all the fallen angels what to do that is what it means

How on earth can you possibly get this out of Job 41?

 

[ELECT]

That is not what that text says. The enemy that Elisha was the armies of Samaria. This is the army that was the target of the heavenly host.

one angel can kill all the army thus angels needed were for the fallen angels ask God for wisdom and stop leaning on your own understanding

 

[oldhermit]

one angel can kill all the army thus angels needed were for the fallen angels ask God for wisdom and stop leaning on your own understanding

You keep saying that but you will need to show me in the text where you find this information. Please allow the text to speak for itself.

 

[ELECT]

to you it written in parables but these thing are written to babes
spiritual thing with spiritual things

Why was eve taken out of the side of Adam ?

 

[ELECT]

You keep saying that but you will need to show me in the text where you find this information. Please allow the text to speak for itself.

please shew me in the bible where it says God created male and female plants thanks
like i said that you have to read between the lines ?

Is it right for Christians to smoke ? why or why not ? please provide verse thanks ?

 

[oldhermit]

to you it written in parables but these thing are written to babes
spiritual thing with spiritual things

Why was eve taken out of the side of Adam ?

You are not addressing the question. I cannot imagine what the question regarding Eve has to do with this discussion.

 

[weakness]

If this is true Trintin we will need to find somewhere in the text that specifies where God is shifting his focus. We know he his speaking directly to these ancient kings because he says so. If he is shifting the subject of his address we will need to find where in the text he tells us this.[/QUOTEn

see that he is refering to principalities powers, and spiritual wickedness If God speaks of them as being in the garden ,then speaks of them as a power of the time ,we can see he is speakng of non human beings .Principalities and powers amd spiritual wickedness in high places maybe. This is not only for their time but also ours and the future , it is prophesy. Jesus is the word; Rev. says that Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophesy. Jesus also opened up the sciptures to his disciples and shewed them that the law and the prophets spoke of him and about him.Whats more we need to be reading the part God speaks to Israel for the wicked life she was leading and as Gods choosen people be beseching God our father to help us to live a life pleasing to him at this time , but anyway I think that the trees in Ez are rulers of this world. Spirits!!! Danial was told that his prophesy was shut up till the end and the knowledge would increase and many would go to and fro.Maybe it is getting close enough to the end that God will begin to give us understandng of Dans visions,The whole world lies in wickedness God knows that we will need his word mor and more,

 

[oldhermit]

please shew me in the bible where it says God created male and female plants thanks
like i said that you have to read between the lines ?

Is it right for Christians to smoke ? why or why not ? please provide verse thanks ?

There is a big difference between justifiable speculation and speculation that is offered in direct contradiction of the language of a text. You are attempting to make Satan the object of these taunts but the subjects of each of the texts in question are very clearly identified as kings of specific nations. You are not honoring the language of the text.

 

[oldhermit]

If this is true Trintin we will need to find somewhere in the text that specifies where God is shifting his focus. We know he his speaking directly to these ancient kings because he says so. If he is shifting the subject of his address we will need to find where in the text he tells us this.[/QUOTEn

see that he is refering to principalities powers, and spiritual wickedness If God speaks of them as being in the garden ,then speaks of them as a power of the time ,we can see he is speakng of non human beings .Principalities and powers amd spiritual wickedness in high places maybe. This is not only for their time but also ours and the future , it is prophesy. Jesus is the word; Rev. says that Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophesy. Jesus also opened up the sciptures to his disciples and shewed them that the law and the prophets spoke of him and about him.Whats more we need to be reading the part God speaks to Israel for the wicked life she was leading and as Gods choosen people be beseching God our father to help us to live a life pleasing to him at this time , but anyway I think that the trees in Ez are rulers of this world. Spirits!!! Danial was told that his prophesy was shut up till the end and the knowledge would increase and many would go to and fro.Maybe it is getting close enough to the end that God will begin to give us understandng of Dans visions,The whole world lies in wickedness God knows that we will need his word mor and more,

Who does the text say these taunts are to be given to?

 

[ELECT]

How on earth can you possibly get this out of Job 41?

Job 26:13King James Version (KJV)

13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Isaiah 27:1King James Version (KJV)

27 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


Revelation 12:9King James Version (KJV)


9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him
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[h=1]Job 41:31-34King James Version (KJV)[/h]31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

 

[veryelect]

You are not addressing the question. I cannot imagine what the question regarding Eve has to do with this discussion.

I know it is getting a little off topic, but I think that is because you are being evaluated as to how much of the mystery you are actually familiar with. So far your input is mostly denial. You haven't actually contributed with any real knowledge. Remember, there are mysteries involved here and these mysteries are not for all to see. The topic at hand though does not require much insight to see that satan is the being to which GOD is referring too. I think further discussion with you on this subject would not be fruitful.

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.


Luk_8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

 

[ELECT]

You are not addressing the question. I cannot imagine what the question regarding Eve has to do with this discussion.

Why eve was taken out of Adam and flesh of flesh bones of bones ?

[h=1]Ephesians 5:29-30King James Version (KJV)[/h]29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

why was this given because the bible has to be rightly divide which seems that you are lacking that skill