Everyone is spiritually dead at conception
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Baptism does not make you spiritually alive. If you are not saved when you are baptised, you go under a wet sinner and rise up a wet sinner.
Acts 10:47
Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?
Too bad for all those going to hell because they believe a false doctrine. I know whom I have believed. I'm saved by Jesus, not by a work.Too bad for you.
Exactly. Those believers were baptised after they were born again. Believers should be baptised. However, it is after salvation, not to gain salvation. This subject has been done to death. Can you not find something else to argue about?
I'm pretty sure God can save or judge whoever he wants, whenever he wants; and that nobody is qualified to question his ability to do so righteously. People argue "babies don't have the ability to have faith!"; but this is what the bible says-
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord’s word to her will be fulfilled.”
So; regardless of what memories you do or don't have from childhood- most people don't start forming long term memories until the age of 4, I think its... Regardless of your memory, or lack of memory; your relationship with God began before that- and God has the ability to judge a person based on that AND his omniscient knowledge concerning whether or not you would ever receive him if you lived one more day; or 1000 more lifetimes.
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord’s word to her will be fulfilled.”
So; regardless of what memories you do or don't have from childhood- most people don't start forming long term memories until the age of 4, I think its... Regardless of your memory, or lack of memory; your relationship with God began before that- and God has the ability to judge a person based on that AND his omniscient knowledge concerning whether or not you would ever receive him if you lived one more day; or 1000 more lifetimes.
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He doesn't need it; but he does require it and did command it. Where much is given, much is required. He gave his disciples a command to make disciples and baptize them; and his disciples told new believers to be baptized- where no such command is given, the same is not required. Water baptized =/= born again.
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What you are saying is if you cannot find someone to dunk you under water, you cannot be saved.
That is saying God is not strong enough to save you with out the help of another man.
That is not the God I know and trust for my salvation.
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