Explain Romans 14: 22,23. ( whatsoever is not of faith is sin) in THIS context.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#2
The applications of faith.
Faith works by love. And love is the only true motive that bears fruit, according to Paul. Here's an example. A boy scout helps an old lady cross the street. But since it is to earn a merit badge and glorify himself instead of God, it is sin. But he would suffer more in hell had he not helped her.

But if in love for God and people, he helps her to glorify God as a Christian, he has a reward both now and in heaven.
 
Apr 3, 2019
1,495
768
113
#3
A boy scout helps an old lady cross the street. But since it is to earn a merit badge and glorify himself instead of God
How do you know that he was trying to earn a merit badge by helping the old lady?

it is sin. But he would suffer more in hell had he not helped her.
crazy.gif

Now I understand your logic displayed in other threads and posts.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#4
How do you know that he was trying to earn a merit badge by helping the old lady?



View attachment 215298

Now I understand your logic displayed in other threads and posts.
Unless born again, what other motives might it be? Other than self-glorification or pride? "There are none righteous."
 
Nov 16, 2019
3,441
860
113
#5
"Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin." - Romans 14:22-23

If you do not have faith that what you are doing is okay to do (eating meat sacrificed to a false God, for example), and you do it anyway, you condemn yourself for doing it. Because in your mind it was not okay to do, but you did it anyway.

But you are also condemned if you think it's okay to do something and you do it, but in reality it's not okay to do. You condemn yourself by what you have erroneously approved of doing.
 

presidente

Senior Member
May 29, 2013
9,163
1,792
113
#6
I do not know what you mean. Buy if there is something you do that you believe is a sin, it probably is...for you.
 
Nov 16, 2019
3,441
860
113
#7
if there is something you do that you believe is a sin, it probably is...for you.
No, not 'probably' is sin.
It IS sin for you if you believe in your heart it is wrong to do, and you do it, even if in and of itself it really isn't wrong to do in God's eyes.

When a person lacks the conviction (the faith) to see that something is okay to do, and they do it anyway, they are condemning themselves.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,487
13,792
113
#8
The applications of faith.
It is helpful for you to flesh out your ideas in your opening post. If all you provide is a title and a cryptic comment, it looks like you're fishing for material for a first-year college essay.

The verse is literal. If what you're doing is not rooted in faith in Jesus Christ, it is sin. When you understand all that Christ has done for you, you experience the freedom and restriction of being a child of God. Walk in that freedom, respect the restrictions, and you will avoid sin. Walk in fear, uncertainty, doubt, and carelessness, and you are essentially questioning God's goodness and grace.
 

tantalon

Active member
Oct 11, 2019
286
105
43
#9
It is helpful for you to flesh out your ideas in your opening post. If all you provide is a title and a cryptic comment, it looks like you're fishing for material for a first-year college essay.

The verse is literal. If what you're doing is not rooted in faith in Jesus Christ, it is sin. When you understand all that Christ has done for you, you experience the freedom and restriction of being a child of God. Walk in that freedom, respect the restrictions, and you will avoid sin. Walk in fear, uncertainty, doubt, and carelessness, and you are essentially questioning God's goodness and grace.
It is helpful for you to flesh out your ideas in your opening post. If all you provide is a title and a cryptic comment, it looks like you're fishing for material for a first-year college essay.

The verse is literal. If what you're doing is not rooted in faith in Jesus Christ, it is sin. When you understand all that Christ has done for you, you experience the freedom and restriction of being a child of God. Walk in that freedom, respect the restrictions, and you will avoid sin. Walk in fear, uncertainty, doubt, and carelessness, and you are essentially questioning God's goodness and grace.
But I am fishing, fishing to see what is out there, and if I "fleshed out" my questions, one would not determine what the scripture, and not their own beliefs, is saying. Read the post from " Judges 1318 well known member" the proper answer is in his post.
 

presidente

Senior Member
May 29, 2013
9,163
1,792
113
#10
No, not 'probably' is sin.
It IS sin for you if you believe in your heart it is wrong to do, and you do it, even if in and of itself it really isn't wrong to do in God's eyes.

When a person lacks the conviction (the faith) to see that something is okay to do, and they do it anyway, they are condemning themselves.
I may have understated my case but I can imagine where someone might feel condemned if they do something it is a sin NOT to do.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#11
The applications of faith.
Anything not of the faith of God as his labor of love is sin.

Faith previously having none not little is a work that God applies to ones heart creating it anew. Without parables the signified understanding Christ spoke not.

By a work of Christ's faith working in Paul who was used in a parable as a surrogate womb as the mother of us all. A hope working in him Christ would be formed in Timothy who was used to signify the bride of Christ, the chaste virgin. (pictured Revelation 12)

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Walk by the eternal faith ( 2 Corinthians 4:18) not after the temporal (no vision, no revelation )