Ezekiel 13:1-8 Do Not Teach My People to Fly to save their soul

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Verse 1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,


Who is speaking here? Is it God or Ezekiel ?


God is the one doing the speaking and Ezekiel is His scribe.


Remember these are not the words of Keith, or Ezekiel they are the words of God given to us for our correction, our growth, or instruction . . .


Verse 2.Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;


Son of man (Ezekiel) speak out against the prophets that are saying preaching, teaching, etc. out of their own hearts, speaking their own words,thoughts, dreams etc. Look at what God says at the end of this verse. Hear (open your ears and your heart and hear and obey My words).


Verse 3. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!


Who says? GOD! Woe hold up here you foolish and senseless prophets you are following your own spirit, you own doctrine, ideas, thoughts your own dreams and you have seen nothing from Me.


Verse 4. O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.


O My children, your church leaders, are like a bunch of foxes in the desert.


Just what are the foxes of the deserts? They are the smallest of all the foxes; They love to borrow so they dig under the fences, they also run and play on the fences and brake them down, they get into the vineyards and they are small enough to run across the grape vines and knock off the blossoms which grow into the grape clusters thus distorting the vineyard.


God is telling us that the prophets (religious leaders, teachers ect.) are like these foxes wreaking havoc in the church with false teaching.


This is as true today as it was when Ezekiel wrote this.


Verse 5. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.


You have not bothered to clime up into the gaps and repair them neither have you fixed or repaired the hedge: Strong's: 1447 an enclosure fence or wall of the house of the Lord. You have let my house fall into ruin it is full of false teaching . . . and you do nothing about it.


Verse 6. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.


They make up things in their own minds and then tell the people God has spoken to me, or God has given me a vision and then pass it own to the people as if it where “The Word of The Lord”


Verse 7. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?


God makes it clear in this verse just what is going on here and as we continue He will make it very clear as to how He feels and thanks about all of this.


Verse 8. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.


Because you have spoken lies, twisted the scriptures I am against you!


You as part of the congregation are in almost as bad a shape as those feeding you the lies.






Acts 17 10-12
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11.These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12, Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

I have never gotten an answer back from the following question.
When was the last time you came home from church and searched the scriptures to make sure what you wer being taught was true.


2nd John 1:7-11


7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Verse 7. This was a false doctrine that must have been taught at the time of John writing this letter.

Verse 8. You have to work at studding for yourselves to make sure that you get the full reward.

Verse 9. You either follow the teachings of Jesus which we have given you (For us today that would be Genesis 1:1-Revelation 22-21). If you live by this doctrine you will have full grace from The Father & The Son.





Verse10.This verse is very important Do not overlook it. If anyone comes teaching you something different than we have taught you don't let them have a place of teaching, preaching, on the board, or look to them as an elder.





Verse 11 If you so much as give Him a greeting, rejoice in what he is saying, bid him God speed so much as say God Bless you. You are a partaker in his evil deeds. You better make sure you are eating the right fruit or you will be in a world of hurt with God.
 

Magenta

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I have never gotten an answer back from the following question. When was the last time you came
home from church and searched the scriptures to make sure what you were being taught was true.
I frequently check the Scriptures against what is said/taught by others .:unsure::)
 
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I frequently check the Scriptures against what is said/taught by others .:unsure::)
I am glad to hear it that is what set the Bereans apart. from the others. Keep up the good work and let me know what you thank as I keep adding to this bible study.
 
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What does this mean? It doesn't seem to have any connection to your post.
I cannot put up the whole thing, but I will keep adding to it just keep looking for post with I am against my people to fly to save their souls.
It all goes to the fact that there is no rapture,
 

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I cannot put up the whole thing, but I will keep adding to it just keep looking for post with I am against my people to fly to save their souls.
It all goes to the fact that there is no rapture,
Ahh . . . okay. Best wishes with your thread.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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[re: 2Jn1:7] Verse 7. This was a false doctrine that must have been taught at the time of John writing this letter.
A couple things...


1) 2 John 1:7 - "... confessing not Jesus Christ coming* [erchomenon] in flesh"

-- * "coming / erchomenon" - present participle ("-ing")... like is used in Matthew 24:30, Mark 13:26, Luke 21:27...; as well as similar to what is used in 1Th1:10 ("coming"--present participle);
-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2jo/1/7/t_concir_1165007 [2Jn1:7 - G2064 - erchomenon - present participle ("-ing") - "coming [in flesh]"]




[bear in mind also... "the beast which WAS, and IS NOT [at the time of that writing], and YET SHALL BE [future tense]"]





2) 2 John 1:7's wording ^ is distinct from the wording in 1 John 4:3 "every spirit that confesseth not Jesus Christ having come* [elēlythota] in flesh"

-- * "having come / elēlythota" - perfect participle... like is also used in Acts 18:2 "having come" - https://biblehub.com/text/acts/18-2.htm ;
-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1jo/4/3/p0/t_concir_1163003 [1Jn4:3 - G2064 - elēlythota - perfect participle ("-ing") - "having come [in flesh]"]




See the distinction?
 

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I lean pre-trib rapture, but I am not absolutely certain that a rapture WILL take place. I am willing to entertain other viewpoints, although that doesn't necessarily mean I'd change my current viewpoint.
 
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Ezekiel 13:8-16


Verse 8. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.





Make sure what you are teaching people lines up with Gods word or you will be in a heap of hurt.





Verse 9.And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.





This is talking future into the millennial reign and beyond these preachers, teachers, etc. that do these thing will NOT make it to spend eternity with God. They will know in the end that God is in control and that you disobey Him and with out repentance you are in a world of hurt.





Verse 10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:


You don't need to study the book of Revelation you are going to be gone; or Praise God brother we are no longer under the law but under grace we do not have to worry about the things in the old testament; This is new testament times.


One puts up a wall of protection and another covers it with whitewash thanking that it will keep the people safe. You (the prophets, pastors, teachers, etc,) have not gone up into the gaps and fixed them, you have not caught the little foxes NO you have brought them right on into the church.





Verse 11-16


11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.





Remember this is God speaking Ezekiel is just pass along The Word of God.


If (the biggest little word in the bible) you are following God and lessening to His word you have nothing to fear. Remember the book of Daniel the 3 in the fire heated 7 time hotter than normal and nothing happened to the 3 Hebrew children Jesus was their with them. Danial in the lions den God protected him. God will protect us also if we trust in Him and follow His word and doctrine; But if you choose to follow mans doctrine that protection is gone.


As we move on in this chapter we are going to see what it is that God is speaking against here.





Verse 17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,





Yes woman can be and were prophets, teachers, and leaders of Israel. You can read of Deborah in Judges 4.


So just what were these false prophesies and teaching these woman were spreading.





Verse 18.And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?





God is giving us a visual picture here: Hold out your arms and visualize from your shoulder where shirtsleeve starts all the way down your arm to the wrist both arms covered with a big pillow, then take a handkerchief or scarf and wrap it around your hand and then in between your fingers and then tie it all up. Just how much work could you do like that. That is what God is saying these false prophets are doing to Him. Why are they covering Him up like this? So they can hunt the souls of His people. Then He asks a question: Will you hunt the souls of My people? Will you save the souls alive( just who has the power to save a soul? God alone) These are supposed to be prophets of God not against God. Will you save the souls alive that come to you? No they can not.





Verse 19. And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?





Will you lie to my people and tell them everything is going to be OK and you are in good standing with God as long as you go along with every thing I say; even if it is a lie so long as you keep the money coming in. Your false teaching, your false church doctrine will kill the soul of those that want Gods word and have not been taught how to check out what you are saying is true or a lie. They do not know any better so they follow you all the way to hell. You “save” the souls that should not not live. In other words you tell the people that want to hear lies that they are ok because they are filling the offering plate for you, when they are no better off than any other unsaved person living in the world today.


Just what is the LIE I am going to fly you away.





Verse 20. Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.


No where in this prophecy does God say I am going to fly











Verse 21. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.


Just as I ripped off the pillow from my arms so I will do to your kerchiefs. I will rip them off and save My people just as I did with the pillows.





Verse 22.Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:





I know for myself and some others that do not agree with the rapture, it does make us sad to see good people being lied to being told that the rapture is as true as the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Your lies have done nothing but strengthen the words of false teachers, preachers, ect. around the world. All that you do by preaching sweet little sermons or a verse here and there and then blowing hot air for 30 minutes or so on how good ol uncle Joe did things.


The truth of the matter is Against those the would teach people that the rapture is real and that they do not have to worry because Jesus is going to carry them away. The only Christ that is going to say something like that is the Anti Christ when he comes at the 6th trump. Remember Jesus has told us all that Satan shows up at the 6th Trump and Jesus at the 7th trump.
 

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It all goes to the fact that there is no rapture,
Wait what, How can there be no rapture?

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Greek Harpazo or Latin Rapturo or Rapiemur which we replaced with(even transliterated) the english word rapture to describe the act of being caught up, take away or snatched away.

The bible says we will be caught up(raptured) into the clouds. Usually people will just disagree as to when this event will take place. :unsure:
 

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Ezekiel 13:8-16


Verse 8. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.





Make sure what you are teaching people lines up with Gods word or you will be in a heap of hurt.





Verse 9.And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.





This is talking future into the millennial reign and beyond these preachers, teachers, etc. that do these thing will NOT make it to spend eternity with God. They will know in the end that God is in control and that you disobey Him and with out repentance you are in a world of hurt.





Verse 10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:


You don't need to study the book of Revelation you are going to be gone; or Praise God brother we are no longer under the law but under grace we do not have to worry about the things in the old testament; This is new testament times.


One puts up a wall of protection and another covers it with whitewash thanking that it will keep the people safe. You (the prophets, pastors, teachers, etc,) have not gone up into the gaps and fixed them, you have not caught the little foxes NO you have brought them right on into the church.





Verse 11-16


11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.





Remember this is God speaking Ezekiel is just pass along The Word of God.


If (the biggest little word in the bible) you are following God and lessening to His word you have nothing to fear. Remember the book of Daniel the 3 in the fire heated 7 time hotter than normal and nothing happened to the 3 Hebrew children Jesus was their with them. Danial in the lions den God protected him. God will protect us also if we trust in Him and follow His word and doctrine; But if you choose to follow mans doctrine that protection is gone.


As we move on in this chapter we are going to see what it is that God is speaking against here.





Verse 17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,





Yes woman can be and were prophets, teachers, and leaders of Israel. You can read of Deborah in Judges 4.


So just what were these false prophesies and teaching these woman were spreading.





Verse 18.And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?





God is giving us a visual picture here: Hold out your arms and visualize from your shoulder where shirtsleeve starts all the way down your arm to the wrist both arms covered with a big pillow, then take a handkerchief or scarf and wrap it around your hand and then in between your fingers and then tie it all up. Just how much work could you do like that. That is what God is saying these false prophets are doing to Him. Why are they covering Him up like this? So they can hunt the souls of His people. Then He asks a question: Will you hunt the souls of My people? Will you save the souls alive( just who has the power to save a soul? God alone) These are supposed to be prophets of God not against God. Will you save the souls alive that come to you? No they can not.





Verse 19. And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?





Will you lie to my people and tell them everything is going to be OK and you are in good standing with God as long as you go along with every thing I say; even if it is a lie so long as you keep the money coming in. Your false teaching, your false church doctrine will kill the soul of those that want Gods word and have not been taught how to check out what you are saying is true or a lie. They do not know any better so they follow you all the way to hell. You “save” the souls that should not not live. In other words you tell the people that want to hear lies that they are ok because they are filling the offering plate for you, when they are no better off than any other unsaved person living in the world today.


Just what is the LIE I am going to fly you away.





Verse 20. Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.


No where in this prophecy does God say I am going to fly











Verse 21. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.


Just as I ripped off the pillow from my arms so I will do to your kerchiefs. I will rip them off and save My people just as I did with the pillows.





Verse 22.Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:





I know for myself and some others that do not agree with the rapture, it does make us sad to see good people being lied to being told that the rapture is as true as the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Your lies have done nothing but strengthen the words of false teachers, preachers, ect. around the world. All that you do by preaching sweet little sermons or a verse here and there and then blowing hot air for 30 minutes or so on how good ol uncle Joe did things.


The truth of the matter is Against those the would teach people that the rapture is real and that they do not have to worry because Jesus is going to carry them away. The only Christ that is going to say something like that is the Anti Christ when he comes at the 6th trump. Remember Jesus has told us all that Satan shows up at the 6th Trump and Jesus at the 7th trump.
Our church has this great old hymn in our hymnal, what do you think of it?

1.
Some glad morning when this life is o'er,
I'll fly away;
To a home on God's celestial shore,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).

Chorus
I'll fly away, Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).

2.
When the shadows of this life have gone,
I'll fly away;
Like a bird from prison bars has flown,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)

Chorus

3.
Just a few more weary days and then,
I'll fly away;
To a land where joy shall never end,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)
 

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I cannot put up the whole thing, but I will keep adding to it just keep looking for post with I am against my people to fly to save their souls.
It all goes to the fact that there is no rapture,
There are 100s if not 1000s of pages on this topic already. It has been beat into the ground over and over and over.
And guess what no one has changed their minds despite it all. It's all debate with each side defending their position. I doubt you'll say anything that hasn't already been said on here before, multiple times. And debated against each time.
A single post maxing out the limit will get a few full reads, but most people skimming it. Adding more and more to that number greatly reduces the number of people reading.
What will happen is people will pick out the points they want to debate. That's it.
 
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Our church has this great old hymn in our hymnal, what do you think of it?

1.
Some glad morning when this life is o'er,
I'll fly away;
To a home on God's celestial shore,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).

Chorus
I'll fly away, Oh Glory
I'll fly away; (in the morning)
When I die, Hallelujah, by and by,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away).

2.
When the shadows of this life have gone,
I'll fly away;
Like a bird from prison bars has flown,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)

Chorus

3.
Just a few more weary days and then,
I'll fly away;
To a land where joy shall never end,
I'll fly away (I'll fly away)
It is your life if you want to base your relationship with God on a song go ahead: but as for myself and my family we will stick to the bible.
 
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Wait what, How can there be no rapture?

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Greek Harpazo or Latin Rapturo or Rapiemur which we replaced with(even transliterated) the english word rapture to describe the act of being caught up, take away or snatched away.

The bible says we will be caught up(raptured) into the clouds. Usually people will just disagree as to when this event will take place. :unsure:
Why would you want to go any where if Jesus is returning here to set up His kingdom.
 

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What does this mean? It doesn't seem to have any connection to your post.
He is try to connect the word "fly" to the Rapture and pushing his silly idea that the Rapture is not a Bible doctrine. Ezekiel would take him to task for thoroughly MISAPPLYING his words! I already refuted his nonsense.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Why would you want to go any where if Jesus is returning here to set up His kingdom.

Oh, don't worry, we will be returning WITH Him. = )

Colossians 3:4 "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with [G4862 - UNIONed-with] him in glory."




Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." ... THEN the meal [G347].
 

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Why would you want to go any where if Jesus is returning here to set up His kingdom.
Oh, don't worry, we will be returning WITH Him. = )
Then, of us three, the only exception would be me; I'm taking one of those
'vacant' positions, left by the fallen angels, in heavenly places:

God's HEAVENLY UPlook For HIS Body!
(2 Corinthians 5:1-2; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 1:20: Ephesians 2:6;
Philippians 3:20; Colossians 1:5)

"And The LORD shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve​
me unto His Heavenly Kingdom: to Whom be Glory for ever and ever.​
Amen. " (2 Timothy 4:18)​
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Why do TWO armies "leave Heaven" With Him, But
Only ONE "arrives with Him" on the earth? - ie:​

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure I points:

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)
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(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

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Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure II note point:

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?
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Besides:

Someone has to "rule and reign in the Upper echelons" of the 1500-mile cube,
the Heavenly Jerusalem, eh?

Don't forget: you earthlings are All Welcome to come and visit... ♫ 😇
 

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Then, of us three, the only exception would be me; I'm taking one of those
'vacant' positions, left by the fallen angels, in heavenly places:
Hi, GRACE_ambassador,

Do you remember our old conversation about how the PLURAL "armies" in Rev19:14, where it says, "And the armies which were in heaven FOLLOWED Him..." where I'd mentioned that the Grk word for "armies [PLURAL]" is never used in the "plural" when speaking of angels... (I'm not saying angels can't be included here, only that this word is never used in the "plural" when speaking of them... alone)...

Also, I've stated that "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" IS the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, or at least its inauguration (it takes place upon His return to the earth)... and "the Bride / Wife [singular]" is not supposed to COMPLETELY BE LEFT OUT from that "celebration / festivities" (...it's just that passages like Matt25:1-13 about the "10 [or 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" are not speaking of "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" ;) He is not coming in that passage, to "MARRY" the "FIVE wise VirginS [PLURAL]"... they are NOT "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]"!).


Now, all this is NOT to say we must STAY there, on the earth [residing there, as its subjects], see... Hello!

Make sense?






Many folks (not saying you) pay lip-service saying, "the church is the bride of Christ"... but then set about BLURRING the distinctions, such as having Jesus MARRY "FIVE [wise] virginS"... and having Him MARRY the "FRIEND of the Bridegroom"... and having Him MARRY the "sons of the bridechamber"


[see "bridechamber [G3567]" - "νυμφών, νυμφῶνος, ὁ (νύμφη), the chamber containing the bridal bed, the bride-chamber: οἱ υἱοί τοῦ νυμφῶνος (see υἱός, 2), of the friends of the bridegroom whose duty it was to provide and care for whatever pertained to the bridal chamber, i. e. whatever was needed for the due celebration of the nuptials: Matthew 9:15; Mark 2:19; Luke 5:34 ((Winer's Grammar, 33 (32)); Tobit 6:13 (14), 16 (17); ecclesiastical writings; Heliodorus 7, 8); the room in which the marriage ceremonies are held: Matthew 22:10 T WH Tr marginal reading" - Thayer's Greek Lexicon... at BlueLetterBible - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3567/nasb95/tr/0-1/ ... IOW, those are not the ONE ["Bride / Wife--SINGULAR"] whom HE IS MARRYING]

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TheDivineWatermark

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Besides:

Someone has to "rule and reign in the Upper echelons" of the 1500-mile cube,
the Heavenly Jerusalem, eh?
So, even PRIOR to "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" / earthly MK ...[at least its inauguration], WE are involved in this:

--"know ye not that we SHALL JUDGE ANGELS?" 1Cor6:3[,14]; and

--"[...God...] shall CRUSH Satan UNDER YOUR FEET in quickness [noun]" Rom16:20 (same time-period that is referenced in Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1, i.e. the Tribulation Period, 7 yrs; also in Lk18:8 "AVENGE in quickness [noun]")...







... thus, another reason for "our" relocation.