False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

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If we separate one Scripture from other Scriptures, not just verse to verse within a certain chapter, but also from other chapters and books, then we are falsely teaching Scripture out of context. The end result with be contradicting the unity of Scripture written for doctrine and prophecy of God.
If we were to apply this to the major doctrines of Christianity, they would be found to be false teachings...

Does the Doctrine of "The Rapture" ever include all of the other eleven verses in which the word harpazo is used? Does it ever explain that harpazo is just a verb that describes a simple action, like "stealing," grabbing a person and "forcefully taking them?" One biblical rapture resulted in Philip being taken only forty miles from where he baptized the eunuch.

Does the exclusion of these other "rapture" verses cause The Rapture Doctrine to be false?

This should be the standard for all "doctrines." But, if it is done honestly and thoroughly, there would be more unity in the Body of Christ, and not so many semantic debates and doctrine wars...

Does any version of the Doctrine of the Trinity include the verses used by non-trinitarians who want to prove "the Father and I are one?" (Other than falsely stating that "one" means unified/in unity )

If we apply this concept only to the "doctrines" that we don't agree with, and not allow for others to apply it to our pet doctrines, then we're heaping a helping of Judgement on ourselves.

( I'm not denying anybody's doctrine, I'm just revealing the gap in due diligence with hypotheticals )
 
Exactly what Jesus and Paul do, which is why we Christians do too.
Right to left. Otherwise one gets stuck in reverting to Judaism/perverting the Gospel.
(Heb. 7:21-10:1)
I don't think it's wise to compartmentalize passages of scripture and consider them in isolation.
The covenant was not replaced in the New Testament. While the Old and New Testaments differ, they are not two different covenants, but rather two different administrations of the same Covenant of Grace, inaugurated after the Fall.
The Mosaic covenant was never intended to be permanent, acting as a "codicil" to the Abrahamic promise. It became obsolete with Christ’s coming (Hebrews 8:13).
The New Covenant is better because it is established on better promises, is not "breakable" like the old, and offers the full reality of salvation, whereas the old offered shadows.
The New Covenant is not limited to physical Israel but includes all believers (Jew and Gentile) as the true seed of Abraham, making it global in scope.
While the Old Covenant included the entire nation of Israel, the New Covenant is characterized by a regenerate community in which all members know the Lord (Jeremiah 31:31-34).
 
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I don't think it's wise to compartmentalize passages of scripture and consider them in isolation.
The covenant was not replaced in the New Testament. While the Old and New Testaments differ, they are not two different covenants, but rather two different administrations of the same Covenant of Grace, inaugurated after the Fall.
The Mosaic covenant was never intended to be permanent, acting as a "codicil" to the Abrahamic promise. It became obsolete with Christ’s coming (Hebrews 8:13).
The New Covenant is better because it is established on better promises, is not "breakable" like the old, and offers the full reality of salvation, whereas the old offered shadows.
The New Covenant is not limited to physical Israel but includes all believers (Jew and Gentile) as the true seed of Abraham, making it global in scope.
While the Old Covenant included the entire nation of Israel, the New Covenant is characterized by a regenerate community in which all members know the Lord (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Yes, the OT should is superseded by the NT but not divorced from it. Both are dispensations of one grace.
The OC foreshadowings were fulfilled rather than broken, but the NC will remain until the final Judgment.
The OC fulfilled its purpose of preserving the culture that would produce Messiah for the salvation of all.
The NC/NT includes both former Jews and former whatever the Gentiles were before seeing the Light of the world.
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Yes, the OT should is superseded by the NT but not divorced from it. Both are dispensations of one grace.
The OC foreshadowings were fulfilled rather than broken, but the NC will remain until the final Judgment.
The OC fulfilled its purpose of preserving the culture that would produce Messiah for the salvation of all.
The NC/NT includes both former Jews and former whatever the Gentiles were before seeing the Light of the world.
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I don't consider the dispensational view to be biblical, because it violates key principles of covenant theology. There is one overarching covenant of grace and a unified people of God. The bible doesn't support this sharp distinction between Israel and the church, and the "multiple ways of salvation" that are central to dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism divides history into distinct, separate eras (dispensations) where God tests humans in different ways, creating a sharp discontinuity between the Testaments.
Israel and the Church are not separate peoples of God with distinct futures. The Church is the fulfillment of Israel, the "Israel of God," and there has always been one people of God throughout history.

God has a unified plan of grace, from Genesis to Revelation.
 
I don't consider the dispensational view to be biblical, because it violates key principles of covenant theology. There is one overarching covenant of grace and a unified people of God. The bible doesn't support this sharp distinction between Israel and the church, and the "multiple ways of salvation" that are central to dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism divides history into distinct, separate eras (dispensations) where God tests humans in different ways, creating a sharp discontinuity between the Testaments.
Israel and the Church are not separate peoples of God with distinct futures. The Church is the fulfillment of Israel, the "Israel of God," and there has always been one people of God throughout history.


God has a unified plan of grace, from Genesis to Revelation.

I agree that the various dispensations or types of revelation are part of God's one plan of salvation/grace,
which I explain as follows:

There are two main ways God/Christ is encountered/revealed (dispensed):

1. General revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work and moral conscience. Paul said men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (Rom. 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (Acts 14:16-17, 17:26-27&30, Rom. 1:18-20, Rom. 10:13-18, Col. 1:23, Gal. 3:8, 1Pet. 1:10-12, cf. the Parable of the Talents in Matt. 25:14-30).

Paul also taught that all normal humans have an inner conscience or “common” sense (Rom. 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture (the Golden Rule). Thus, sinners have no excuse for not seeking God’s salvation or being truthseekers (Matthew 7:7, Hebrews 11:6). Like Noah and all humanity, we have physical background radiation that testifies to creation,
and spiritual background revelation that testifies to the Creator. Genrev existed from creation until Specrev, and it is still operative in places/cases where people have no opportunity to read the Bible.

2. Special revelation (1Pet. 1:8-12), which refers to the OT dispensation of grace but mainly to divinely inspired NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation. Again, the Parable of the Talents indicates that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1Cor. 10:1-5). Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (John 14:6, Acts 24:14, Phil. 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.
 
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I agree that the various dispensations or types of revelation are part of God's one plan of salvation/grace,
which I explain as follows:

There are two main ways God/Christ is encountered/revealed (dispensed):

1. General revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work and moral conscience. Paul said men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (Rom. 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (Acts 14:16-17, 17:26-27&30, Rom. 1:18-20, Rom. 10:13-18, Col. 1:23, Gal. 3:8, 1Pet. 1:10-12, cf. the Parable of the Talents in Matt. 25:14-30).

Paul also taught that all normal humans have an inner conscience or “common” sense (Rom. 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture (the Golden Rule). Thus, sinners have no excuse for not seeking God’s salvation or being truthseekers (Matthew 7:7, Hebrews 11:6). Like Noah and all humanity, we have physical background radiation that testifies to creation,
and spiritual background revelation that testifies to the Creator. Genrev existed from creation until Specrev, and it is still operative in places/cases where people have no opportunity to read the Bible.

2. Special revelation (1Pet. 1:8-12), which refers to the OT dispensation of grace but mainly to divinely inspired NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation. Again, the Parable of the Talents indicates that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1Cor. 10:1-5). Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (John 14:6, Acts 24:14, Phil. 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.
General Revelation is not meant to save unbelievers, nor is it sufficient to do so. Instead, it reveals the knowledge of God through creation, conscience, and providence. It functions to render humanity "without excuse" and to increase the guilt of those who reject it.
While it is sufficient to condemn, it is not sufficient to save. It serves as a testimony to God’s goodness and majesty, but it does not reveal the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Special Revelation is proclaimed to all, but only saves the elect and reveals God as Redeemer. Salvation is only available through the preaching of the Gospel (Romans 10:14–17), which is special revelation, not through the observation of nature.
The ultimate purpose of special revelation is to bring Gods elect to saving faith; it is designed to achieve the redemption of those chosen for salvation.

The parable of the Talents, does not indicate that souls are saved via faith. That idea is back to front, consider what the following verse reveals.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The verse indicates that we are saved by grace, it doesn't say we are saved by faith as you suggest. You have made your "faith" a work and you believe that you are saved via "your faith", but the Word of Gad says that "it is the gift of God" so you can't boast about "your faith: because it was given to you as a gift.
 
General Revelation is not meant to save unbelievers, nor is it sufficient to do so. Instead, it reveals the knowledge of God through creation, conscience, and providence. It functions to render humanity "without excuse" and to increase the guilt of those who reject it.
While it is sufficient to condemn, it is not sufficient to save. It serves as a testimony to God’s goodness and majesty, but it does not reveal the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Special Revelation is proclaimed to all, but only saves the elect and reveals God as Redeemer. Salvation is only available through the preaching of the Gospel (Romans 10:14–17), which is special revelation, not through the observation of nature.
The ultimate purpose of special revelation is to bring Gods elect to saving faith; it is designed to achieve the redemption of those chosen for salvation.

The parable of the Talents, does not indicate that souls are saved via faith. That idea is back to front, consider what the following verse reveals.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The verse indicates that we are saved by grace, it doesn't say we are saved by faith as you suggest. You have made your "faith" a work and you believe that you are saved via "your faith", but the Word of Gad says that "it is the gift of God" so you can't boast about "your faith: because it was given to you as a gift.
It is a gift. I did NOTHING to warrant it. God bless
 
General Revelation is not meant to save unbelievers, nor is it sufficient to do so. Instead, it reveals the knowledge of God through creation, conscience, and providence. It functions to render humanity "without excuse" and to increase the guilt of those who reject it.
While it is sufficient to condemn, it is not sufficient to save. It serves as a testimony to God’s goodness and majesty, but it does not reveal the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Special Revelation is proclaimed to all, but only saves the elect and reveals God as Redeemer. Salvation is only available through the preaching of the Gospel (Romans 10:14–17), which is special revelation, not through the observation of nature.
The ultimate purpose of special revelation is to bring Gods elect to saving faith; it is designed to achieve the redemption of those chosen for salvation.

The parable of the Talents, does not indicate that souls are saved via faith. That idea is back to front, consider what the following verse reveals.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The verse indicates that we are saved by grace, it doesn't say we are saved by faith as you suggest. You have made your "faith" a work and you believe that you are saved via "your faith", but the Word of Gad says that "it is the gift of God" so you can't boast about "your faith: because it was given to you as a gift.

Revelation/GW is "not meant to save unbelievers"?!
Just how were you saved, pray tell, or are you still an unbeliever?
What good is guilt if it does not motivate repentance?
Guilt serves as a testimony to God’s goodness and the redemptive work of Jesus Christ!

Special Revelation/the Gospel was NOT proclaimed to all, but only to a few until the Bible became available to many following the invention of the printing press circa 1500.

Re "The ultimate purpose of special revelation is to bring Gods elect to saving faith": Yes, and the purpose of all divine revelation is to persuade all to become elect per 1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.

Re "The parable of the Talents, does not indicate that souls are saved via faith.': Huh? How else can souls be saved?

Re "The verse indicates that we are saved by grace, it doesn't say we are saved by faith as you suggest.":
The astute among us will observe that I said "via" faith per Rom. 3:21-5:1, which can mean by grace through faith per Eph. 2:8-9.
And those who do not divorce verse 10 from the passage will understand godly works manifest saving faith.
And those who give wrapped presents know that a gift must be accepted before it is effective.
 
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It is a gift. I did NOTHING to warrant it. God bless
Amen, praise God for His grace and mercy in saving sinners like us.
Most Christians don't accept the Bible doctrines of, "election and predestination to salvation".

The Church is divided into two main camps, we believe that God unconditionally chose certain individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world, based solely on His grace, not on any anticipated merit. This implies God enables the individual to believe (regeneration precedes faith).

The other camp believes that God offers salvation to all, and the ultimate reason some are saved is that they choose to believe, while others refuse. Prevenient grace enables this choice, making salvation conditional on human faith.
We believe Election is initiated entirely by God; the free-choice people, believe salvation is initiated by a human response to an offer.

We believe God regenerates a person (new heart), causing them to believe. Free choice theology claims that election is conditional on the foreseen faith of the individual.

We believe that mankind lost the ability to choose God after the fall, because we were all enslaved to sin. Therefore, election is not based on God looking down the "corridors of time", to see who would choose Him, but rather on His sovereign decision to overcome that rebellion and create saving faith in the elect.
 
Amen, praise God for His grace and mercy in saving sinners like us.
Most Christians don't accept the Bible doctrines of, "election and predestination to salvation".

The Church is divided into two main camps, we believe that God unconditionally chose certain individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world, based solely on His grace, not on any anticipated merit. This implies God enables the individual to believe (regeneration precedes faith).

The other camp believes that God offers salvation to all, and the ultimate reason some are saved is that they choose to believe, while others refuse. Prevenient grace enables this choice, making salvation conditional on human faith.
We believe Election is initiated entirely by God; the free-choice people, believe salvation is initiated by a human response to an offer.

We believe God regenerates a person (new heart), causing them to believe. Free choice theology claims that election is conditional on the foreseen faith of the individual.

We believe that mankind lost the ability to choose God after the fall, because we were all enslaved to sin. Therefore, election is not based on God looking down the "corridors of time", to see who would choose Him, but rather on His sovereign decision to overcome that rebellion and create saving faith in the elect.

Yes, praise God for His grace and mercy in predestinating that sinners who repent may be saved/elect.
Some "Christians" don't accept this Bible doctrine, but instead claim that God unconditionally chose to condemn certain individuals to hell before the foundation of the world, based solely on His hatred for them. This implies God shows favoritism, which contradicts the Gospel that regeneration is possible for all.

Yes, Christians believe that God offers salvation to all (John 3:16, 1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.), and the ultimate reason some are saved is that they choose to believe, while others refuse and are therefore justly self-condemned for refusing to cooperate with God's plan of salvation. This choice (MFW/"prevenient grace") is God's condition or requirement for salvation and is initiated by God: God initiates; sinners may cooperate or not. God enables belief but permits it to be perverted by believing the lies of Satan, beginning with Adam and Eve.
 
Revelation/GW is "not meant to save unbelievers"?!
Just how were you saved, pray tell, or are you still an unbeliever?
What good is guilt if it does not motivate repentance?
Guilt serves as a testimony to God’s goodness and the redemptive work of Jesus Christ!

Special Revelation/the Gospel was NOT proclaimed to all, but only to a few until the Bible became available to many following the invention of the printing press circa 1500.

Re "The ultimate purpose of special revelation is to bring Gods elect to saving faith": Yes, and the purpose of all divine revelation is to persuade all to become elect per 1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.

Re "The parable of the Talents, does not indicate that souls are saved via faith.': Huh? How else can souls be saved?

Re "The verse indicates that we are saved by grace, it doesn't say we are saved by faith as you suggest.":
The astute among us will observe that I said "via" faith per Rom. 3:21-5:1, which can mean by grace through faith per Eph. 2:8-9.
And those who do not divorce verse 10 from the passage will understand godly works manifest saving faith.
And those who give wrapped presents know that a gift must be accepted before it is effective.
I was saved by grace. I didn't earn salvation by doing good works.

Guilt alone does not lead an unbeliever to saving repentance. They will only experience remorse, fear, or self-pity (like Judas) rather than true repentance. This is sorrow over being caught or facing consequences, which ends in self-destruction, anger, or continued sinning.
Special Revelation was and is proclaimed specifically, to the Covenant People of God (the Church) throughout history to reveal the promise of salvation. Unlike general revelation, which is addressed to all humanity, special revelation is supernatural and aimed at restoring broken sinners to communion with God.
God is not bound by your rules and limitations. God can, by his immediate power, regenerate and save an elect individual without the instrumental use of the written Word.
This is typically applied to infants who die, the intellectually disabled, or those in remote areas who never have the opportunity to hear the Gospel, yet are part of the elect.
Nothing can persuade anyone to become one of Gods elect. Election to salvation took place before the world was created. God wrote the names of every single one of His elect in His book of life. No extra names can be added and no names can be removed.

You referred Romans 3:21 to support your "free choice" view, but the very next verse 22 affirms the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ
for all who believe. For there is no distinction: This means "for all who believe" (Not only the Jews) but for all. That's obviously not saying every single person in the world. No God desires all of His elect (including Gentiles from every tribe and tounge) to come to saveing faith.

Grace proceeds faith, but both are gifts, which God gives to His elect. No elect person will reject the gift and choose to spend eternity in hell, nobody is that foolish.
 
Yes, praise God for His grace and mercy in predestinating that sinners who repent may be saved/elect.
Some "Christians" don't accept this Bible doctrine, but instead claim that God unconditionally chose to condemn certain individuals to hell before the foundation of the world, based solely on His hatred for them. This implies God shows favoritism, which contradicts the Gospel that regeneration is possible for all.

Yes, Christians believe that God offers salvation to all (John 3:16, 1Tim. 2:3-4, etc.), and the ultimate reason some are saved is that they choose to believe, while others refuse and are therefore justly self-condemned for refusing to cooperate with God's plan of salvation. This choice (MFW/"prevenient grace") is God's condition or requirement for salvation and is initiated by God: God initiates; sinners may cooperate or not. God enables belief but permits it to be perverted by believing the lies of Satan, beginning with Adam and Eve.
So you don't believe Gods Word in Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

The text states that He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world?, but you reckon 'He chose us, after we repent. That forces me to either believe what you say or what God says.

God never choose to condemn anyone to hell and nobody would every suggest something so silly. You just made that up.

There is nothing in the bible that supports your theory that God offers salvation to every single person in the world. Why would He offer the gift of salvation to those whom He knows can't receive it. It's impossible for the natural (unregenerate) man to receive it.
 
So you don't believe Gods Word in Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

The text states that He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world?, but you reckon 'He chose us, after we repent. That forces me to either believe what you say or what God says.

God never choose to condemn anyone to hell and nobody would every suggest something so silly. You just made that up.

There is nothing in the bible that supports your theory that God offers salvation to every single person in the world. Why would He offer the gift of salvation to those whom He knows can't receive it. It's impossible for the natural (unregenerate) man to receive it.

Yes, I believe Eph. 1:4 and harmonize it with the rest of that sentence as follows:

EPH 1:1b Paul addressed his epistle “to the saints (in Ephesus), (and) the faithful in Christ Jesus.”

The term “saint” means set apart or sacred, referring to those who are saved because of faith in Christ, which is why they are called faithful and in Christ Jesus. Ephesus was the capital of the Roman province called Asia, which was located on the western side of modern Asia Minor across the Aegean Sea from Athens. None of the best early manuscripts have the words “in Ephesus”, which supports the view that this was a circular missive. Some ancient texts say to the saints in Ephesus AND the faithful in Christ, also possibly indicating that the epistle is meant to circulate among all of the churches in Asia Minor that Paul founded (cf. Acts 19:1 & 20:31), although sometimes in Scripture “and” is used as an equals sign rather than as a plus sign.

EPH 1:2, “Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Grace means gift or unmerited favor, and in a Christian salutation means God’s blessing. Peace means the cessation of war, which in this context refers to fellowship with God, as in Rom. 5:1, “This is why Paul wrote in 1Tim. 2:5, “There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” Describing God as Father implies the Sonship of Jesus through whom saints may call God “our Father” (cf. Matt. 6:9). Thus, in Rom. 8:29 Paul called Jesus “the firstborn among many brothers”.

Calling Jesus “Lord” implies his deity as the Son, as indicated by Heb. 1:2-3a. which reflects John 1:1-3 & 14. Calling Jesus “Christ” in Greek is the word for “Messiah” in Hebrew, meaning the Anointed One, referring to the One God anointed or chose to provide the possibility of salvation for humanity by the sacrifice of Himself on the cross (Rom. 3:25, Heb. 9:26&10:14, 1John 2:2).

EPH 1:3, “Blessed/Praised be the Father/God of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all/every spiritual blessings in the heavenly realms in Christ.”

The OT says that God is worthy of being praised (2Sam. 22:4, 1Chron. 16:25, Psa. 48:1), and Psalms says it is fitting for people to praise God (33:1), because He is good (34:8) and forgives those who confess their sin (32:5). Praising is akin to thanksgiving (Psa. 100:4) for God’s blessings of love and justice (Psa. 101:1). The primary blessing is heaven, and spiritual blessings includes the fruit listed in Gal. 5:22-23 and other goodness. “Us” here and in the rest of the passage refers to those who are “in Christ”, which means oneness with Christ via faith as in Eph. 1:1b (cf. Eph. 4:13 & 5:31-32).

EPH 1:4, “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.”

The reason God created the entire universe was to serve as the stage upon which to enact His plan of salvation (POS): setting apart human sinful souls whose faith satisfies the condition for crediting them with the righteousness of Christ, as in Rom. 3:20 (cf. Phil. 3:7-9).

EPH 1:5, “In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.”

God is love (1John 4:8, cf. Rom 5:5-8). and He preplanned those in him (v. 4) to be spiritual children by receiving the Holy Spirit and becoming co-heirs with Christ (cf. Rom. 8:23 & 9:4) per His will for saints to be holy, as in v.4.

EPH 1:6, “to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.”

This harps back to v.3. and refers to God’s blessing (cf. Eph. 2:8-10), which is not merited but instead credited, as in v.4. by virtue of being “in the Anointed One or Messiah/Christ. “One” connoted God in Jewish scriptures ever since Moses wrote what is called the Shema (Deut. 6:4).

EPH 1:7, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the abundance/riches of God’s grace”.

This refers to salvation promised in the Law and Prophets because of Christ’s death on the cross, and to the redemption that is valued as spiritual wealth, echoing v. 5 and connecting with v. 3 as well as with the grace of God in v.6, even though some may reject it (cf. Eph. 3:8 & 16).

EPH 1:8, “that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding”,

This denotes generosity or fullness, and wisdom and prudence will be mentioned again in Eph. 3:10.

EPH 1:9, “and he revealed to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure which he himself purposed,”

This mystery/POS will be explained later in this epistle, and per God’s pleasure echoes or parallels 1:5, a technique used throughout this passage.

EPH 1:10, “to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.”

This refers again to God’s POS and mystery, explained later in Ephesians, and the time of fulfillment indicates God’s timing and would have mean the “last days” (in ACTS 2:17, 2TM 3:1 and 2PT 3:3) or “end of the age” (MT 24:3, 10, 19, 21, etc.), when all things are brought together under one head/Jesus, seemingly indicating world unification–but other passages indicate that “all” does not include God’s enemies (1Cor. 15:25). Christ’s first advent was for the purpose of creating his spiritual body/church, but his second coming will be on Judgment Day (Heb. 9:26-28)

EPH 1:11, “In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.”

“Chosen” means saved by faith in Christ, including Paul, and predestined repeats the term used in v.5 to refer to “from creation” per v.4. according to God’s POS or will as in v. 9-10. God’s sovereignty is stressed by the repetition and means that God is in control of history so that His plan will be achieved as He determines.

EPH 1:12, “in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.”

This refers to Paul and other apostles or disciples of Jesus who received the Gospel before the Ephesians, whose lives should be a reason for praising deity because of the Christlike behavior/love.

EPH 1:13-14, “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.”

The believers being addressed heard Paul’s Gospel and believed, so they received the Holy Spirit, who is like a seal stamped on a letter or an advance deposit on an account, guaranteeing their future in heaven, again so that God would be praised, echoing v.12. EPH 1:3-14 is one sentence in the Greek.
 
Yes, I believe Eph. 1:4 and harmonize it with the rest of that sentence as follows:

EPH 1:1b Paul addressed his epistle “to the saints (in Ephesus), (and) the faithful in Christ Jesus.”

The term “saint” means set apart or sacred, referring to those who are saved because of faith in Christ, which is why they are called faithful and in Christ Jesus. Ephesus was the capital of the Roman province called Asia, which was located on the western side of modern Asia Minor across the Aegean Sea from Athens. None of the best early manuscripts have the words “in Ephesus”, which supports the view that this was a circular missive. Some ancient texts say to the saints in Ephesus AND the faithful in Christ, also possibly indicating that the epistle is meant to circulate among all of the churches in Asia Minor that Paul founded (cf. Acts 19:1 & 20:31), although sometimes in Scripture “and” is used as an equals sign rather than as a plus sign.

EPH 1:2, “Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Grace means gift or unmerited favor, and in a Christian salutation means God’s blessing. Peace means the cessation of war, which in this context refers to fellowship with God, as in Rom. 5:1, “This is why Paul wrote in 1Tim. 2:5, “There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” Describing God as Father implies the Sonship of Jesus through whom saints may call God “our Father” (cf. Matt. 6:9). Thus, in Rom. 8:29 Paul called Jesus “the firstborn among many brothers”.

Calling Jesus “Lord” implies his deity as the Son, as indicated by Heb. 1:2-3a. which reflects John 1:1-3 & 14. Calling Jesus “Christ” in Greek is the word for “Messiah” in Hebrew, meaning the Anointed One, referring to the One God anointed or chose to provide the possibility of salvation for humanity by the sacrifice of Himself on the cross (Rom. 3:25, Heb. 9:26&10:14, 1John 2:2).

EPH 1:3, “Blessed/Praised be the Father/God of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all/every spiritual blessings in the heavenly realms in Christ.”

The OT says that God is worthy of being praised (2Sam. 22:4, 1Chron. 16:25, Psa. 48:1), and Psalms says it is fitting for people to praise God (33:1), because He is good (34:8) and forgives those who confess their sin (32:5). Praising is akin to thanksgiving (Psa. 100:4) for God’s blessings of love and justice (Psa. 101:1). The primary blessing is heaven, and spiritual blessings includes the fruit listed in Gal. 5:22-23 and other goodness. “Us” here and in the rest of the passage refers to those who are “in Christ”, which means oneness with Christ via faith as in Eph. 1:1b (cf. Eph. 4:13 & 5:31-32).

EPH 1:4, “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.”

The reason God created the entire universe was to serve as the stage upon which to enact His plan of salvation (POS): setting apart human sinful souls whose faith satisfies the condition for crediting them with the righteousness of Christ, as in Rom. 3:20 (cf. Phil. 3:7-9).

EPH 1:5, “In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.”

God is love (1John 4:8, cf. Rom 5:5-8). and He preplanned those in him (v. 4) to be spiritual children by receiving the Holy Spirit and becoming co-heirs with Christ (cf. Rom. 8:23 & 9:4) per His will for saints to be holy, as in v.4.

EPH 1:6, “to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.”

This harps back to v.3. and refers to God’s blessing (cf. Eph. 2:8-10), which is not merited but instead credited, as in v.4. by virtue of being “in the Anointed One or Messiah/Christ. “One” connoted God in Jewish scriptures ever since Moses wrote what is called the Shema (Deut. 6:4).

EPH 1:7, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the abundance/riches of God’s grace”.

This refers to salvation promised in the Law and Prophets because of Christ’s death on the cross, and to the redemption that is valued as spiritual wealth, echoing v. 5 and connecting with v. 3 as well as with the grace of God in v.6, even though some may reject it (cf. Eph. 3:8 & 16).

EPH 1:8, “that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding”,

This denotes generosity or fullness, and wisdom and prudence will be mentioned again in Eph. 3:10.

EPH 1:9, “and he revealed to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure which he himself purposed,”

This mystery/POS will be explained later in this epistle, and per God’s pleasure echoes or parallels 1:5, a technique used throughout this passage.

EPH 1:10, “to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.”

This refers again to God’s POS and mystery, explained later in Ephesians, and the time of fulfillment indicates God’s timing and would have mean the “last days” (in ACTS 2:17, 2TM 3:1 and 2PT 3:3) or “end of the age” (MT 24:3, 10, 19, 21, etc.), when all things are brought together under one head/Jesus, seemingly indicating world unification–but other passages indicate that “all” does not include God’s enemies (1Cor. 15:25). Christ’s first advent was for the purpose of creating his spiritual body/church, but his second coming will be on Judgment Day (Heb. 9:26-28)

EPH 1:11, “In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.”

“Chosen” means saved by faith in Christ, including Paul, and predestined repeats the term used in v.5 to refer to “from creation” per v.4. according to God’s POS or will as in v. 9-10. God’s sovereignty is stressed by the repetition and means that God is in control of history so that His plan will be achieved as He determines.

EPH 1:12, “in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.”

This refers to Paul and other apostles or disciples of Jesus who received the Gospel before the Ephesians, whose lives should be a reason for praising deity because of the Christlike behavior/love.

EPH 1:13-14, “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.”

The believers being addressed heard Paul’s Gospel and believed, so they received the Holy Spirit, who is like a seal stamped on a letter or an advance deposit on an account, guaranteeing their future in heaven, again so that God would be praised, echoing v.12. EPH 1:3-14 is one sentence in the Greek.
None of that answers my question "why don't you believe what Gods Word says in Ephesians 1:4 The text clearly states that they were chosen before the foundation of the world.
But you reject what Gods Word clearly states and claim they they weren't chosen for salvation until they produced faith in and of themselves, and that persuaded God to elect them onto salvation.

The text simply doesn't say what you're forcing it to say, this is obviously due to your denominational bias.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,


John 15:16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

John 6:37-40 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

There are around 120 such verses in the bible, proving that your free choice theology is false.

 
None of that answers my question "why don't you believe what Gods Word says in Ephesians 1:4 The text clearly states that they were chosen before the foundation of the world.
But you reject what Gods Word clearly states and claim they they weren't chosen for salvation until they produced faith in and of themselves, and that persuaded God to elect them onto salvation.

The text simply doesn't say what you're forcing it to say, this is obviously due to your denominational bias.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,


John 15:16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

John 6:37-40 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

There are around 120 such verses in the bible, proving that your free choice theology is false.

Re "None of that answers my question "why don't you believe what Gods Word says in Ephesians 1:4": I said I believe it,
but you choose to believe I don't.

Re "The text clearly states that they were chosen before the foundation of the world.": And I clearly explained what that
prooftext means in context.

Re "But you reject what Gods Word clearly states": No, I reject your opinion about what it says/means.

Re "and claim they they weren't chosen for salvation until they produced faith in and of themselves": No, I claim
God loves everyone and enables all sinners to have saving faith/repent, but some refuse to cooperate and believe the devil instead.

Re "and that persuaded God to elect them onto salvation": Well, saving faith satisfies God's condition for becoming elect.

Re "The text simply doesn't say what you're forcing it to say, this is obviously due to your denominational bias.": I have been a truthseeker all of my life and went against my Baptist denomination's teaching of OSAS after learning GW teaches the need for perseverance.

Re "2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.": Note "chosen...through faith".

Re "2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,": Note that grace is given through faith per Eph. 2:8.

Re "John 15:16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.": Note that this was spoken to the Twelve.

Re "2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.": Note that God chooses those who repent and seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6).

Re "Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.": Note that this parallels Eph. 1:1-13.

Re "John 6:37-40 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.": This follows John 3:16.

Re "There are around 120 such verses in the bible, proving that your free choice theology is false.": No, this proves you like prooftexting rather than harmonizing.
 
Re "None of that answers my question "why don't you believe what Gods Word says in Ephesians 1:4": I said I believe it,
but you choose to believe I don't.

Re "The text clearly states that they were chosen before the foundation of the world.": And I clearly explained what that
prooftext means in context.

Re "But you reject what Gods Word clearly states": No, I reject your opinion about what it says/means.

Re "and claim they they weren't chosen for salvation until they produced faith in and of themselves": No, I claim
God loves everyone and enables all sinners to have saving faith/repent, but some refuse to cooperate and believe the devil instead.

Re "and that persuaded God to elect them onto salvation": Well, saving faith satisfies God's condition for becoming elect.

Re "The text simply doesn't say what you're forcing it to say, this is obviously due to your denominational bias.": I have been a truthseeker all of my life and went against my Baptist denomination's teaching of OSAS after learning GW teaches the need for perseverance.

Re "2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.": Note "chosen...through faith".

Re "2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,": Note that grace is given through faith per Eph. 2:8.

Re "John 15:16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.": Note that this was spoken to the Twelve.

Re "2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.": Note that God chooses those who repent and seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6).

Re "Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.": Note that this parallels Eph. 1:1-13.

Re "John 6:37-40 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.": This follows John 3:16.

Re "There are around 120 such verses in the bible, proving that your free choice theology is false.": No, this proves you like prooftexting rather than harmonizing.
If you believed what Eph 1:4 is saying, you wouldn't need to add your words to it and make it say something, other than what it's saying.
You stated, - "No, I claim God loves everyone and enables all sinners to have saving faith/repent, but some refuse to cooperate and believe the devil instead".
But Gods Word reveals that God expresses a general, benevolent love to all humanity, manifested through "common grace"—providing rain, sun, and blessings to both the righteous and the unrighteous. This is not saving love.

God does not enable all sinners to have saving faith and repent. Instead, Gods Word reveals that saving grace is special, not universal.
Salvation is not dependent on the cooperation of the unbeliever with God. Instead, Gods Word reveals that salvation is entirely a work of God—a doctrine known as monergism, where God is the sole agent in regeneration.

You said, - "Well, saving faith satisfies God's condition for becoming elect". But Gods Word reveals -
The faith of an unbeliever (non elect) does not satisfy Gods condition for becoming elect. Instead, Gods Word reveals that election causes faith, not that faith causes election. It's according to the eternal decree of God, not a response to foreseen actions or decisions by human beings.

You said, - "I have been a truthseeker all of my life and went against my Baptist denomination's teaching of OSAS". But Gods Word reveals in, -
Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one, 11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”
God is the truth, His Word reveals that none seek after Him, but as usual you reject what God said and claim that you have been seeking the truth all of your life.

You said, - "Note "chosen...through faith". But the text doesn't say that in 2 Thess 2:13, it actually says chosen.....through sanctification by the Spirit. It seems that you can't accept anything God says, without changing it to say something completely different.

You claim that John 15:16 "was spoken to the twelve", by this I assume you're claiming that the gospel message was only meant for the Apostles. But the truth is that the Lord Jesus revealed the good news to the Apostles and charged them to go into all the world proclaim the gospel. So, I'm not sure why you don't believe that it applies to us.

You said, - "Note that God chooses those who repent and seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6)". But Gods Word reveals that He chose His elect before they were born. So how can a non existent person, "repent and seek Him".
 
Mathew 22
KJV
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
 
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If you believed what Eph 1:4 is saying, you wouldn't need to add your words to it and make it say something, other than what it's saying.
You stated, - "No, I claim God loves everyone and enables all sinners to have saving faith/repent, but some refuse to cooperate and believe the devil instead".
But Gods Word reveals that God expresses a general, benevolent love to all humanity, manifested through "common grace"—providing rain, sun, and blessings to both the righteous and the unrighteous. This is not saving love.

God does not enable all sinners to have saving faith and repent. Instead, Gods Word reveals that saving grace is special, not universal.
Salvation is not dependent on the cooperation of the unbeliever with God. Instead, Gods Word reveals that salvation is entirely a work of God—a doctrine known as monergism, where God is the sole agent in regeneration.

You said, - "Well, saving faith satisfies God's condition for becoming elect". But Gods Word reveals -
The faith of an unbeliever (non elect) does not satisfy Gods condition for becoming elect. Instead, Gods Word reveals that election causes faith, not that faith causes election. It's according to the eternal decree of God, not a response to foreseen actions or decisions by human beings.

You said, - "I have been a truthseeker all of my life and went against my Baptist denomination's teaching of OSAS". But Gods Word reveals in, -
Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one, 11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”
God is the truth, His Word reveals that none seek after Him, but as usual you reject what God said and claim that you have been seeking the truth all of your life.

You said, - "Note "chosen...through faith". But the text doesn't say that in 2 Thess 2:13, it actually says chosen.....through sanctification by the Spirit. It seems that you can't accept anything God says, without changing it to say something completely different.

You claim that John 15:16 "was spoken to the twelve", by this I assume you're claiming that the gospel message was only meant for the Apostles. But the truth is that the Lord Jesus revealed the good news to the Apostles and charged them to go into all the world proclaim the gospel. So, I'm not sure why you don't believe that it applies to us.

You said, - "Note that God chooses those who repent and seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6)". But Gods Word reveals that He chose His elect before they were born. So how can a non existent person, "repent and seek Him".

Why can you add your words, but I cannot?

God's "common grace" signifies His desire for all humanity to be saved.

Re "God does not enable all sinners to have saving faith and repent. Instead, Gods Word reveals that saving grace is special, not universal.": Those are your words. Ditto re "Salvation is not dependent on the cooperation of the unbeliever with God...."

Re "saving faith satisfies God's condition for becoming elect" and "election causes faith": The first view is correct.

Re "You said that you have been a truthseeker all of your life and went against your Baptist denomination's teaching of OSAS",
but Gods Word reveals in Romans 3:10: “There is none righteous, no, not one...": Correct, I did not go against that teaching.

Re "11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” This needs to be harmonized with Matt. 7:7 & Heb. 11:6.

Re "God is the truth, His Word reveals that none seek after Him, but as usual you reject what God said and claim that you have been seeking the truth all of your life.": No, as usual you reject context and seek straw men, such as ignoring that 2Thes. 2:13 mentions belief/faith.

Re "You claim that John 15:16 was spoken to the Twelve. By this I assume you're claiming that the gospel message was only meant for the Apostles.": No, your assumption is another straw man. I merely stated the obvious: Jesus chose the Twelve to be his special disciples/apostles.

Re "You said that God chooses those who repent and seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6). But Gods Word reveals that He chose His elect before they were born. So how can a non existent person, "repent and seek Him"?: GW says what I cited, and your question also applies to your misinterpretation that impugns God's love for humanity.

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