Female pastors, ok or not?

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CeileDe said:
I love how when someone disagrees they usually throw out "you are reading it out of context" statement. That seems to be the go to reason that someone doesn't understand something in scripture. I find it kinda funny so just saying :)
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It's better than "you are a false prophet/teacher for not believing exactly as I do."

An appeal to re-read, the whole chapter and not just a few verses.
 
hornetguy said:
Anybody have a definition of the word "pastor" ? I mean, a Biblical definition?
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Its probably a general word for apostles, bishops and presbyters, because pastors are never mentioned in the same place as they are.
 
I, personally, would not go to a church where they have a female pastors.

It is a controversial issue and such a church makes it clear that they will be liberal in such controversial issues.

And I do not want a liberal church.
 
[video=youtube;Rmar_uBUD1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmar_uBUD1U[/video]
 
Ariel82 said:
It's better than "you are a false prophet/teacher for not believing exactly as I do."

An appeal to re-read, the whole chapter and not just a few verses.
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I agree. And I agree the entire chapter if not book should be read and I've done a study on this topic and have listened to all the reasons why others believe the way they do. I still come up with the same conclusion that women should not be Pastors :)
 
maxwel said:
Society all but collapsed once women were allowed to read and write.

Have you ever read a romance novel, or watched a chick flick?
It's the death of civilization.
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Meanwhile, many hazy testosterone-fueled action flicks are literally about the death of civilization.

Society, if it collapses, collapses because of humanity, not because of 'this woman you gave to be with me'
 
CeileDe said:
I agree. And I agree the entire chapter if not book should be read and I've done a study on this topic and have listened to all the reasons why others believe the way they do. I still come up with the same conclusion that women should not be Pastors :)
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Unless they are pastoring an all female convent?
 
hornetguy said:
Anybody have a definition of the word "pastor" ? I mean, a Biblical definition?
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PASTOR
- Pastor comes from the word pasteurize.
- Pasteurize means "heat to a high temperature to kill off the bad things."
- Thus, a pastor would be:
"one who heats the congregation to a high enough temperature to kill off the bad members."


That is my scholarly opinion based upon a total avoidance of research, as research and intellect just dampen the spirit.
 
maxwel said:
PASTOR
- Pastor comes from the word pasteurize.
- Pasteurize means "heat to a high temperature to kill off the bad things."
- Thus, a pastor would be:
"one who heats the congregation to a high enough temperature to kill off the bad members."


That is my scholarly opinion based upon a total avoidance of research, as research and intellect just dampen the spirit.
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Lol I love the one eye master linguist.
 
hornetguy said:
Anybody have a definition of the word "pastor" ? I mean, a Biblical definition?
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The terms paster, bishop and presbyter are all descriptive terms that apply to those who hold the office of an elder. People commonly misuse the term pastor to refer to a preacher but the two functions are not synonymous. Although an elder can sometimes also be a preacher these represent two completely separate functions and the woman is not permitted to serve either function.
 
trofimus said:
Maybe
[video=youtube;pJXIz8b436g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXIz8b436g[/video]
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See Jesus doesn't say that the Elders are the husband in the body of the church.

He says HE is the husband and the church is his bride, jointly male and female knitted as one.

So the metaphor doesn't make sense. Especially if you take 1 Timothy 2 to refer only to the relationship between a married man and woman.

His message of all called to ministry is good though.

It still doesn't answer why John Piper believes men will be less manly (or something unhealthy will happen to them) if they have a woman pastor.
 
I have not been in favor of women pastors, but it occurs to me that if she is under the supervision of a male body of elders there might be room to consider it.

Just a thought.
 
Ariel82 said:
See Jesus doesn't say that the Elders are the husband in the body of the church.

He says HE is the husband and the church is his bride, jointly male and female knitted as one.

So the metaphor doesn't make sense. Especially if you take 1 Timothy 2 to refer only to the relationship between a married man and woman.

His message of all called to ministry is good though.

It still doesn't answer why John Piper believes men will be less manly (or something unhealthy will happen to them) if they have a woman pastor.
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If you mean that 1 Tm 2 is about married man and woman, do you really think you should be silent at home? It does not make sense to me, you cant be silent whole your life...but in a church? Yes, its possible.
 
Here is a question that "may" be related to this topic...something to have a "selah moment".

In our culture in the west - slavery is frowned upon. What if another country had a different cultural belief system in place? They actually did have slaves and it was their normal way of life and accepted as such. Would this make slavery right or wrong?

Back in the New Testament times there were cultural "norms" in place such as slavery and accepted as being good and right in their own eyes.

Would Jesus today endorse this slavery altho it was never talked about in the NT other then Paul saying - if you have a chance to be free - take it but for now do all that you do as unto the Lord.

Is it possible that some things were set up at the time because of cultural practices that were the norm for their society they were in at the time? For in Christ there is neither slave nor free, nor male nor female, for you are all one in Christ.
 
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trofimus said:
If you mean that 1 Tm 2 is about married man and woman, do you really think you should be silent at home? It does not make sense to me, you cant be silent whole your life...but in a church? Yes, its possible.
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The whole verse is about authority and women not berating their husbands in public.

You have to admit it's good advice. Who really wants to watch a woman chew out her husband?

How do you explain 1 Tim 2 v. 15 if it's not about married men and women?
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Here is a question that "may" be related to this topic...something to have a "selah moment".

In our culture in the west - slavery is frowned upon. What if another country had a different cultural belief system in place? They actually did have slaves and it was their normal way of life and accepted as such. Would this make slavery right or wrong?

Back in the New Testament times there were cultural "norms" in place such as slavery and accepted as being good and right in their own eyes.

Would Jesus today endorse this slavery altho it was never talked about in the NT other then Paul saying - if you have a chance to be free - take it but for now do all that you do as unto the Lord.

Is it possible that some things were set up at the time because of cultural practices that were the norm for their society they were in at the time? For in Christ there is neither slave nor free, nor male nor female, for you are all one in Christ.
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Well, our modern western culture measures slavery through its most recent experience in the african slave trade.

Not all slavery (servanthood) was forced, some was in exchange for feeding children, sheltering social outcasts, and passage to new lands. Not all of it was unjustified, some of it was a result of being on the losing side of a war, crimes or debts. Not all of it was lifelong, some cultures had a path to citizenship. Israel had the year of jubilee every 50 years, when among other things, all slaves were freed.

This might not be the point you were trying to make, but just as our society might judge slavery by the worst examples, it might judge distinct male and female roles by the worst examples.
 
i pray you gals see exactly what God wants from you in your studies on this....
 
sharkwhales said:
Well, our modern western culture measures slavery through its most recent experience in the african slave trade.

Not all slavery (servanthood) was forced, some was in exchange for feeding children, sheltering social outcasts, and passage to new lands. Not all of it was unjustified, some of it was a result of being on the losing side of a war, crimes or debts. Not all of it was lifelong, some cultures had a path to citizenship. Israel had the year of jubilee every 50 years, when among other things, all slaves were freed.

This might not be the point you were trying to make, but just as our society might judge slavery by the worst examples, it might judge distinct male and female roles by the worst examples.
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I agree...so in those different societies the Christians in that society would have "different views" depending on their own culture at the time. So, cultural differences can make Christians view certain subjects differently at different times.

My personal view is that there are some cultural situations that reflect in the scriptures at the time they were written. There is a progressive revelation of the nature and character of the life of God that is in Christ as we grow in Him.
 
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