Flat earth debunked.

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Gideon300

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I believe I managed to display your complete ignorance (or willful deception), given your failure to refute the post that contradicts the falsity you espouse. I post it again below, either to aid your memory or your honesty. whichever seems to be the cause of your error. I note also the logical fallacy in your assertion, that somehow given you've worked for four years with microwave devices, this somehow is evidence that you know they are evidence for ball-Earth. Some people are slow learners - be thankful I'm here to correct you after 4 years, and not 40! If radar are evidence for ball-Earth, explain the below.

https://christianchat.com/threads/flat-earth-debunked.209031/post-5007887

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I made it *really* simple. Not so much for you, because I think you are shilling for ball-Earth, rather than genuinely trying to understand. But for anyone honest that reads your posts and for whatever reason believes you might be right.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-range-of-an-average-marine-radar-on-US-Navy-ships?share=1

"Almost every one of the 50+ US Navy ships I sailed on had an installed “average marine radar” from a manufacturer like Raytheon or Furuno. These tend to be “fishing boat” radars with ranges of 25 to 75 nm, depending on how high above the sea surface they were installed."

Note that 25 nautical miles (the lower estimate given) is approximately 46km.








● Let A, B and E represent 3 ships, of height H1, H2, H3, on a ball-Earth of circumference C and radius r.
● Let ships A and B be located on the ball-Earth at such a distance that a straight line between the highest point on A and the highest point on B is tangent with ball-Earth. [This sets ship B at the maximum possible detectable distance, by straight line, from A].
● Let T represent the point where the tangent line AB intersects the ball-Earth.
● Let O represent the center of ball-Earth.
● Let ϴ1 represent the angle between OA and OT.
● Let ϴ2 represent the angle between OT and OB.
● Let ϴT represent the sum of the angles ϴ1 and ϴ2.
● Let D represent the distance of the arc along the circumference of ball-Earth, between the ships A and B.

Also, let:
● H1 = 10m
● H2 = 10m
● C = 40,075,017m
● r = 6,378,000m

Then:

● From basic trigonometry, we know that cos(ϴ) = Adjacent/Hypotenuse

cos (ϴ1) = r / (r + H1)
cos (ϴ1) = 0.999998432112838
cos (ϴ2) = r / (r + H2)
cos (ϴ2) = 0.999998432112838

ϴ1 = acos(0.999998432112838)
ϴ1 = 0.00177081200133473 radians
ϴ2 = acos(0.999998432112838)
ϴ2 = 0.00177081200133473 radians

● We also know that 360º = 2π radians

ϴ1 = 0.001770812 * 360 / (2.π)
ϴ1 = 0.101460053987595º
ϴ2 = 0.001770812 * 360 / (2.π)
ϴ2 = 0.101460053987595º

ϴT = ϴ1 + ϴ2
ϴT = 0.10146º + 0.10146º
ϴT = 0.20292º

● There are 360º in a circle.

D = ϴT / 360 * C
D = 0.20292º / 360º * 40,075,017m
D = 22588.951249m
D = 22.59km

● Therefore, if we lived on a ball-Earth of circumference C = 40,075km, the maximum range that a straight‑beam radar mounted 10m above sea-level could detect a 10m-high ship, is 22.59km.
● In reality, radar can detect ships at much greater distances than this (e.g. easily at 50km).
● The trigonometric diagram of ball-Earth, together with radar ranges which greatly exceed the maximum range predicted by the ball-Earth model, therefore demonstrate that we do not live on a ball‑Earth at all, as some would have us imagine.
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I'm not going over it again. You believe against all the evidence to the contrary, including the fact that radar on a flat earth would have a range only limited by its power. You are deluded.
 

Gideon300

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1 Chronicles 16:

30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalms 93:

1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalms 96:

10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psalms 104:

5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Isaiah 45:

18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

We know that God will eventually destroy the 'old' heaven and earth. The wording in these verses is not intended to indicate a "never will" meaning. Rather, they indicate the intent of God to maintain the earth as His will dictates until such a time that His will allows it to change.

In a way, there is a cause-and-effect relationship here. It is like saying that you built something a certain way and positioned it a certain way so that it should/will never fall over. That does not mean that it absolutely never will fall over. It means that you intend for it to stay in that position for as long as necessary to carry out the purpose that it was built for.

God is saying that He made it and positioned it like He wants it and that only He Himself will change it.

God 'laid the foundations' in such a way that - if He Himself never changed it - it literally would 'not be removed for ever'.

This discussion is to explain the "sense" of the meaning of the words/phrases. God can change it. No one else will be able to.

The wording in the verses still indicate very plainly that [the earth] is physically stationary and does not move. It is fixed in place. It does not spin, wobble, or fly through space at a high rate of speed.


And, I will suggest that your interpretation is 'on shaky ground'.

Nowhere in the context of these verses is it talking about earthquakes in a localized context.

We all know earthquakes are real. Your example suggestion conflicts with the context of scripture.

All of the verses - his and yours - are true - each in its own particular context. There is no contradiction.

The earth-as-a-whole will not move or be shaken until God Himself does so according to His own will.
You are deluded, as are all flat earthers. It's a shame, I'm sure that you are a decent person.
 

kinda

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You are deluded, as are all flat earthers. It's a shame, I'm sure that you are a decent person.
Agree with this here.

It's like flat earthers ignore the giant hey stack of evidence against flat earth, but instead see the thread inside the needle, and say see, flat earth is true.


delusional: characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.
"hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"
 

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If you happen to visit the South Pole, don’t forget your safety harness!
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Zandar

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If your in the southern hemisphere, compasses point north. That shouldn't be possible.
 

kinda

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Looks like one could get a good view if you were in the center of a concave hollow earth.
 

Dino246

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If 'conditions were right' - you would be able to see the sun travel through 'the other 12 hours of sky' in the other 180 degrees around you.
You mean... if the world were actually flat?

No, it is impossible to see the sun because it is blocked by the rather opaque mass of the Earth.
 

GaryA

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No, it is impossible to see the sun because it is blocked by the rather opaque mass of the Earth.
You do realize - don't you - that the picture she was asking about is a 12-hour time-lapse-based image of the night time half of the sun cycle - right?

The day time half of it would be the more vivid-and-visual half - in bright daylight - the closest and most-overhead - nothing blocked or hidden - the usual kind of thing we all see everywhere else on earth during the daytime.
 
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I'm not going over it again. You believe against all the evidence to the contrary, including the fact that radar on a flat earth would have a range only limited by its power. You are deluded.
You didn't go over it the first time. Your argument amounted to a claim that as you have worked with radar in the past, this somehow proves the Earth is a ball. It's an empty claim, and my previous post demonstrates how radar evidences a flat Earth over a ball Earth.

The claim that your four years experience working with radar somehow makes you an arbitar of truth for ball-Earth is logically inconsistent... :cool:
 

Billyd

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What is the length, width, height and thickness of your flat earth? How did you measure it? How do you explain sunspots? Still waiting on how you can explain a lunar eclipse. IOW, how do you get the earth between the sun and the moon?

Wake up and smell the roses. The earth is a ball, spinning around an axis, with a ball moon rotating it, traveling in a elliptical orbit around the sun, traveling in a circular orbit around a black hole in the center of a galaxy called the milky way. All of this has been observed by many people with a basic knowledge of math and science.
 

Billyd

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You didn't go over it the first time. Your argument amounted to a claim that as you have worked with radar in the past, this somehow proves the Earth is a ball. It's an empty claim, and my previous post demonstrates how radar evidences a flat Earth over a ball Earth.

The claim that your four years experience working with radar somehow makes you an arbitar of truth for ball-Earth is logically inconsistent... :cool:
I recommend that you get a copy of "Lines, Waves, and Antennas, The Transmission of Electric Energy" It's available at Amazon. It will explain how Radar antennas work, and how Radar waves travel. You will need to understand basic calculus.