For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[SovereignGrace]

exactly wrapt or punishment do not mean hate, in the contrary punishment mean love.

Wrath means 'extreme anger'. God doesn't have wrath for those He loves, but over those who are disobedient. You can't have wrath w/o hatred.

God love the world but ppl have a free Will, to chose to Eat the fruit of knowledge or not, to kill or to love, Bespcause of love God do not want the weak killer by the strong, to prevent this happen, God make punishment system.

My Brother, the sooner you realize free will is a myth, the sooner you'll grasp how fallen the lost are.

all law product by God base oN Love ( matt 22:36-40)

The Law was given to make sin even more sinful. The Law is what brings us to the Christ.[Galatians 3]

 

[SovereignGrace]

john 3:16 basically say cross + believing Jesus die so whosoever beieve Will save

save + believe

No its not basically saying that. Not even remotely close to saying that. You're eisegesis is showing. The cross saves those who it was intended to save. The cross has a 100% record of saving all it intended to save.

In your belief system, the cross is an utter failure. It made ppl savable but can't seal the deal. It takes ppl doing something to cause them to be saved.

You're preaching another gospel, which is not another gospel.

 

[Jackson123]

But that doesn't mean you have free will.

in a matter of chose the food yes, not totaly free Will, for Example we not free to chose to be a bird or Fisher. But not all our action dictate by God, If we kill or rob the bank, not because God dictate us to rob It is our own free Will, so does with salvation. If we chose to believe Jesus we save

 

[SovereignGrace]

The Father draw or saved because one believe in Jesus

This not even remotely close to what the Christ taught. You need someone to help you my Brother.

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.” They were saying, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, ‘I have come down out of heaven’?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.[John 6:37-44]

In this passage, the Christ is speaking to ppl who don't believe He is the Messiah. He says that everyone the Father gave to Him, will come to Him. It is set in stone. He is their surety. He said of these the Father gave Him, He would lose none of them. He then said no one can come to Him UNLESS they are drawn. If their wills were free, they wouldn't need to be drawn before they could approach Him. If they first need drawn, their wills weren't free. Same with us. We needed drawn first. Why? Because we were dead as in a spiritually dead corpse, and needed to be quickened and drawn.

 

[Jackson123]

God

Wrath means 'extreme anger'. God doesn't have wrath for those He loves, but over those who are disobedient. You can't have wrath w/o hatred.


My Brother, the sooner you realize free will is a myth, the sooner you'll grasp how fallen the lost are.



The Law was given to make sin even more sinful. The Law is what brings us to the Christ.[Galatians 3]

God Anger to killer because He love the weak. So His anger drive by love

 

[SovereignGrace]

in a matter of chose the food yes, not totaly free Will, for Example we not free to chose to be a bird or Fisher. But not all our action dictate by God, If we kill or rob the bank, not because God dictate us to rob It is our own free Will, so does with salvation. If we chose to believe Jesus we save

Brother, anything we do, we do in accordance to our will. We, as sinners, were enslaved, ensnared in sin. That's not a free will by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[SovereignGrace]

God

God Anger to killer because He love the weak. So His anger drive by love

But His anger is not devoid of hate, either.

 

[dcontroversal]

The imperative command in Matthew 28 is clear enough...as you are going make disciples.........

 

[SovereignGrace]

The imperative command in Matthew 28 is clear enough...as you are going make disciples.........

Exactly. Its not just about proclaiming the gospel, but also about discipleship.

 

[preacher4truth]

The imperative command in Matthew 28 is clear enough...as you are going make disciples.........

Instead of this today we have believism, people making "believers," not disciples. "Agree to these facts. OK, I pronounce you on your way to heaven no matter what."

 

[SovereignGrace]

in a matter of chose the food yes, not totaly free Will, for Example we not free to chose to be a bird or Fisher. But not all our action dictate by God, If we kill or rob the bank, not because God dictate us to rob It is our own free Will, so does with salvation. If we chose to believe Jesus we save

Brother, its more to it than just choosing to believe in the Christ. What I mean is ppl don't choose to have faith. They either have it or they don't. Faith is a gift of God. So is repentance. These gifts are imparted upon regeneration, which is solely the work of an omnipotent God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Instead of this today we have believism, people making "believers," not disciples. "Agree to these facts. OK, I pronounce you on your way to heaven no matter what."

And this is what birthed FGT, imo.

 

[preacher4truth]

And this is what birthed FGT, imo.

D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones speaks often about the travesty of believe-ism in his sermons. Since he has died, it's gone into easy-believe-ism although there is probably no distinction.

 

[Jackson123]

Brother, its more to it than just choosing to believe in the Christ. What I mean is ppl don't choose to have faith. They either have it or they don't. Faith is a gift of God. So is repentance. These gifts are imparted upon regeneration, which is solely the work of an omnipotent God.

that what we disagree each other brother. I believe every body have a give of thinking. Thinking to chose to rob the bank, drink water or Pepsi act, It is not all dictate by God. Believe or unbelieve is like rob the bank or not, It is a choice. If God give me a knife, It is my choice whether I use to rob the bank or to cook, Holy God not give a knife for robing, It is our free will

 

[preacher4truth]

that what we disagree each other brother. I believe every body have a give of thinking. Thinking to chose to rob the bank, drink water or Pepsi act, It is not all dictate by God. Believe or unbelieve is like rob the bank or not, It is a choice. If God give me a knife, It is my choice whether I use to rob the bank or to cook, Holy God not give a knife for robing, It is our free will

But your teaching is influenced by Finneyism (even though you're not aware of its heavy influence).

He stated going to heaven is like choosing a career path and you believe this too. It's funny you believe in easy-believism while at the same time preach a false works gospel.

You are one confused fellow, and that's a fact! You really need to study more, type less, argue less because your teachings are amiss and you need to spend much time re-learning the Gospel.

Get someone to help you understand.

In the past I've offered you resources, if you wanted them, to help you understand and study. Since you already know everything obviously, you've rejected to learn from anyone and rejected the offer.

Scripture teaches salvation isn't via choosing, but you're not interested in that, are you? Wouldn't you rather believe your tradition, self, instead of Scripture that clearly refutes you? You won't have any of Scripture refuting you.

When are you going to become one who properly interprets the Word in its context and lose your tradition that is against the Word?

 

[oldethennew]

many learn very young, from being molded by/into the 'mega-media', and thus their identities
sadly stem from what they were plunked-down in front of'...sad but true!!!...

but of course, this is all unfolding, according to Prophecy...TYJ!!!

 

[Jackson123]

But your teaching is influenced by Finneyism (even though you're not aware of its heavy influence).

He stated going to heaven is like choosing a career path and you believe this too. It's funny you believe in easy-believism while at the same time preach a false works gospel.

You are one confused fellow, and that's a fact! You really need to study more, type less, argue less because your teachings are amiss and you need to spend much time re-learning the Gospel.

Get someone to help you understand.

In the past I've offered you resources, if you wanted them, to help you understand and study. Since you already know everything obviously, you've rejected to learn from anyone and rejected the offer.

Scripture teaches salvation isn't via choosing, but you're not interested in that, are you? Wouldn't you rather believe your tradition, self, instead of Scripture that clearly refutes you? You won't have any of Scripture refuting you.

When are you going to become one who properly interprets the Word in its context and lose your tradition that is against the Word?

my Dear, I am inffected by Jesus teaching. Matt 22 36:40.

all law produce by God base oN love. All God actions base oN love.

In my country, politician, some time produce a law not base in love. But base oN greed, or hate, produce a law to make them easier to steal money or to put they political opponen go to jail because of hatred not God. He make a law base oN love, His actions also base oN love. That why I believe God give all, ability to believe in Him and be save. If one kill other, is not God fault. God give him a hand to kill or to help other, his free Will chose him to kill other, not God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

that what we disagree each other brother. I believe every body have a give of thinking.

But we're not saved by grace through thinking, but saved by grace through faith.

Thinking to chose to rob the bank, drink water or Pepsi act, It is not all dictate by God.

If that was true, then so would fatalism. But I am not a fatalist. But nothing transpires w/o ordaining it, whether it be by primary or secondary causes. Wicked ppl do wicked things. Where lost ppl err is they think there's the lost, the saved, and also the wicked. That's not true. There's the saved and lost, the regenerate and unregenerate, sheep and goats. The wicked are those who are lost, unregenerate and goats.

Believe or unbelieve is like rob the bank or not, It is a choice. If God give me a knife, It is my choice whether I use to rob the bank or to cook, Holy God not give a knife for robing, It is our free will

But free will has to do with serving God, worshiping God, &c. It doesn't have to do with choosing betwixt waffles or pancakes for breakfast, going to a movie or bowling on a Saturday night, wearing pants or shorts out on a date &c. Free will has to do with the christian walk. That's why it does not exist. Ppl can't choose, in their fallen state, to seek God. Their slavery to sin precludes them from seeking Him.

 

[SovereignGrace]

my Dear, I am inffected by Jesus teaching. Matt 22 36:40.

all law produce by God base oN love. All God actions base oN love.

In my country, politician, some time produce a law not base in love. But base oN greed, or hate, produce a law to make them easier to steal money or to put they political opponen go to jail because of hatred not God. He make a law base oN love, His actions also base oN love. That why I believe God give all, ability to believe in Him and be save. If one kill other, is not God fault. God give him a hand to kill or to help other, his free Will chose him to kill other, not God.

You're infected with Finneyism.

Google Charles Finney.

 

[Jackson123]

But we're not saved by grace through thinking, but saved by grace through faith.



If that was true, then so would fatalism. But I am not a fatalist. But nothing transpires w/o ordaining it, whether it be by primary or secondary causes. Wicked ppl do wicked things. Where lost ppl err is they think there's the lost, the saved, and also the wicked. That's not true. There's the saved and lost, the regenerate and unregenerate, sheep and goats. The wicked are those who are lost, unregenerate and goats.




But free will has to do with serving God, worshiping God, &c. It doesn't have to do with choosing betwixt waffles or pancakes for breakfast, going to a movie or bowling on a Saturday night, wearing pants or shorts out on a date &c. Free will has to do with the christian walk. That's why it does not exist. Ppl can't choose, in their fallen state, to seek God. Their slavery to sin precludes them from seeking Him.

No body force me to serve the Lord, It is my free will