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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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chubbena
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yes with your knowledge of the bible if you open up your heart you can do it in one day.
this is what you asked for ok
here we go and that is just one in the Nt
Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
you cannot find one that says keep the 1st day ok then still waiting
Have you Zone out hmmmmm
Here is one for keeping the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Now you are going to here a thousand reasons why the word Sabbatismos does not really mean "keeping Sabbath" even though that is the correct translation...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott
Arndt and Gingrich say this...
The Greek word used here for "rest" is sabbatismos which means "Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance" (Arndt and Gingrich, A
Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).
This term appears also in Plutarch (Superset. 3 [Moralia 166a]) for sabbath observance, and in four post-canonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Heb. 4:9" (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 5, p. 856).
While sabbatismos is a noun, the verb form of the word is sabbatizo which means, "to keep the Sabbath" (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).
"This definition of sabbatizo is confirmed by its use in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament dating from third century BC. Jews used
the Septuagint in synagogues throughout the Roman Empire; Greek-speaking Jewish and Gentile coverts to Christianity used this translation throughout the early
New Testament period. This is why the apostle Paul quotes extensively from the Septuagint in his epistle to the Hebrews, which went to all the true churches of
God-Jew and Gentile.
When Paul used sabbatismos in Hebrews 4:9, he did so knowing that its meaning was well known to the Greekspeaking believers of that day. After all,
its verb form (sabbatizo) is widely employed in the Septuagint-which, as a translation, was as familiar to the Greek-speaking Jews and Gentiles of the
early Church as the King James Bible is to Christians today." - Fred Coulter
Now you are going to here how all of these experts are wrong and are mental midgets compared to the intellectual giants in this thread.
Actually my knowledge of the bible and GOD's spirit is what keeps me from drinking the koolaid.
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chubbena
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You have a long way to go kiddo
There are much pleasures and worries of this world ahead of you to keep you from obeying this commandments and the other 9. Any "decent" carrier/job requires one to break one or more. Yes, the noises around you too.
Hold on to His grace and guidance and do not look left or right - that's all I can say.
Take care!
Sigh... Here we go again...
Hebrews 4:9 says:
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (KJV)
Consequently a sabbath rest remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (LEB)
A literal translation of this verse says:
Consequently, a keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people. Hebrews 4:9
The Greek word translated rest and sabbath rest above is σαββατισμός (sabbatismos, G4520), which is a noun meaning a keeping of a sabbath. It can refer to a kept weekly sabbath (Exodus 20:8), a kept 7-year land sabbath (Leviticus 25:2), or a kept festival (appointed time) sabbath (Leviticus 25:32). Scriptural context determines the type of sabbath.
It is an unusual word that is used only one time in the NT (Hebrews 4:9), not at all in the Greek Septuagint (LXX), and very rarely in other ancient writings. The verb form of this word is σαββατίζω (sabbatizo), which means to keep a sabbath. It is not used in the New Testament, but is used in the LXX to refer to keeping all three types of sabbaths listed above (weekly, 7-year land, appointed time).
The context of chapters 3 and 4 in Hebrews is not a weekly sabbath, nor a 7-year land sabbath, but the sabbath rest of the land promised to Israel, which many under Moses were not able to enter into because of unbelief. In fact, the weekly sabbath is not even mentioned in Hebrews 4.
The most interesting usage of σαββατίζω (sabbatizo, to keep a sabbath) in the LXX is in Leviticus 23:32 where Israel is commanded yearly to keep the sabbath of the day of atonement. This appointed time was a sabbath of sabbaths (essentially a most holy sabbath), and was the holiest day of the year in which Israel's sins were removed for a year. The appointed time of Tabernacles began on the 15th day of the month, 5 days after the day of atonement, and was a time set apart for Israel to rest from their yearly labors. The first day of this festival was a sabbath, and the day following this festival was a sabbath; so it was bracketed by special sabbaths that were distinct from any weekly sabbaths that occurred during that time.
Genesis 7:11 states that Noah’s ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. This day falls within the 7-day festival of Tabernacles, which is the 7th festival (or appointed time) of YHWH. The number 7 always signifies rest from labor.
Additionally, the children of Israel were originally supposed to enter into rest in the promised land during the time of first ripe grapes. That harvest occurs in the fall of the year, as do the appointed times of the day of atonement and Tabernacles.
And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan ... Now the time was the time of the first ripe grapes. Numbers 13:17-20
In other words, GOD's original plan for their entering into rest corresponded with these appointed times in the fall.
However, they did not enter in under Moses because of unbelief, and subsequently wandered in the desert for 40 years. Afterwards they entered the promised land under Joshua just before Passover in the first month of the year. But they did not enter into the true rest that GOD has planned for his people from the foundation of the world, as indicated in Hebrews 4:8:
For if Joshua had caused them to rest, he would not have spoken about another day after these things. Hebrews 4:8
This change of entering the promised land (which symbolizes rest) from the appointed times in the 7th month to the appointed time of Passover in the first month signifies GOD's postponement of his people's true rest until Christ, our Passover, could accomplish and establish the more excellent way that would allow GOD's people to forever enter into their final rest in the (as of yet) unfulfilled appointed times of YHWH.
So, IMO, the future fulfillments of these appointed times (what he calls another day) are what the writer of Hebrews is referring to in Hebrew 4:8-9. The example of disobedient Israelites not entering into rest in the promised land through unbelief warns us to always strive through faith to enter into Christ's rest, that culminates in the keeping of the sabbath of the fulfilled day of atonement and subsequent festival of Tabernacles, when those who do believe fully enter into GOD's promised eternal rest.
So let us strive daily to enter into this keeping of a sabbath that is left for GOD's people when Christ returns to give them rest.
Come to me, all of you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke on you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28-29
When I say “You’re fabricating an image in God’s mind about you” because you say that He “sees me as perfect”… this is not a hellfire accusation. There is no other way for me to truthfully express that error in a more gentle fashion. I could have said, “You’re wrong… God does not see you as being perfect” … but that would have sounded like I was accusing you of doing wrong.
However, I will take your words to heart and do my very best short of covering up truth… not to offend you.
Agreed
Agreed
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Disagree.. You’ve just made a contradiction (and don’t take it as a hellfire accusation).
If you are “being perfected” then you are not perfect. If God regarded you as perfect than you are not being perfected. God doesn’t regard something as being something that it is not. He doesn’t look at something that is being perfected as perfect in the same way we do not look at a project in progress and being completed..
Agreed.. exactly what I mentioned above… God sees it the same way you see it… you will be perfected when He has finished with you but like you, He doesn’t see you as perfect.
Because of this false teaching people unwittingly apply bizarre characteristics upon God… that He sees things that are black as being white, dirty as being clean, evil as being good… these characteristics we don’t even apply to our least of acquaintances and yet they get applied to God
When an unfinished work comes before God thinking that God sees him as being perfect then he will be placing a barrier between himself and God.
Now what I’m saying may not come across to you as the “Word and Love of Yeshua” but there is no other way for me to explain why this teaching is no good and what the consequences are resulting from the belief of this popular Christian doctrine.
this is what you asked for ok
here we go and that is just one in the Nt
Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, orto do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Matthew 12:2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
here we go and that is just one in the Nt
Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, orto do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Matthew 12:2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
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No you didn't. You posted a bunch of stuff that really doesn't say much. One thing none of what you posted addressed is the fact that the meaning of the words sabbatismo and sabbatizo can only be derived from the context. This is proven by the verse examples that I gave, which show that these words can refer to weekly, 7-year, or festival sabbaths. The weekly sabbath is not even mentioned in Hebrews 4, so there is no automatic justification to assume sabbatismo refers to a weekly sabbath.
I'm still waiting two months later for some answer from you, I don't know why you ran away from a thread about the Sabbath and here you are pretending the last one never happened?
Is that your instructions or Jesus' instructions?
Why didn't you answer those basic questions about the Sabbath?
Aren't you from God, Chubbena?2 Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, orto do evil? tosave life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Matthew 12:2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
please explain this why evade it because you canot hmmm
Is it lawful to do good or eveil on the sabbath ?