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For those of you keeping the Sabbath........
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Kerry
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Yes the ten commandments are Gods moral law and those who trust in him will keep those moral codes. But these moral codes will not save nor deliver nor set free. Not to mention that the commandments repeated in the NT do not include keeping sabbath. Oh you little ones when will you realise that Jesus is our sabbath.
How can you have rest without Jesus? We are slaves to sin bound and rolled up in it. We enjoyed our sin like a pig to slop. But when we heard the word and gave our heart to Jesus, we abhorred sin and didn't want to have anything to do with it. That is rest. Attending church on Sunday or Saturday won't do that. If you partied like the devil on Saturday night going to church on Sunday does nothing for you. You are just as bound as you was on Saturday night.
God will accept no work of the flesh. He will only accept the work of His Son the Lord Jesus Christ and those who have faith in His work. Get it through your thick skulls. Keeping law will do nothing for you.
How can you have rest without Jesus? We are slaves to sin bound and rolled up in it. We enjoyed our sin like a pig to slop. But when we heard the word and gave our heart to Jesus, we abhorred sin and didn't want to have anything to do with it. That is rest. Attending church on Sunday or Saturday won't do that. If you partied like the devil on Saturday night going to church on Sunday does nothing for you. You are just as bound as you was on Saturday night.
God will accept no work of the flesh. He will only accept the work of His Son the Lord Jesus Christ and those who have faith in His work. Get it through your thick skulls. Keeping law will do nothing for you.
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Kerry
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IF were Chimese what day would be appropriate. What if I were Russian and I mean east Russia. Because Sunday in the USA is Monday in Chiner and Sunday in East Russia is Saturday in USA. I mean it's that important is it not. I'm not sure what day it is in Jerusalem. But, man we better get this right cause if we don't its hell fire for us. Never mind the cross its what we do that matters.
Shabbat Shalom! It's late, but I have a couple of things to share. One is that the Sabbath is a sign of the children of Israel as to which God they honor.
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Who are the children of Israel? Jew and Gentile, all are of one nation and one God whose grace is given freely to all who desire to be His. But, there are many who don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel that Y'shua came to save. They don't know Y'shua's Father who is our Father. They are in an identity crisis, so to speak. My prayer is May Yah draw them.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The other:
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
You see, the story is telling you in one part of the world it will be night time, and in another part of the world, it is morning, and in another part of the world is afternoon. But "it" will be happening all at the exact same moment. Not so with the weekly Sabbath from Friday at sunset to sunset Saturday. God is in control of TIME. God declares when a new day begins (at the sunset of where ever you are at). God declares when the Sabbath is over, where ever you are at. God is with you, no matter what part of Earth you reside at.
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Who are the children of Israel? Jew and Gentile, all are of one nation and one God whose grace is given freely to all who desire to be His. But, there are many who don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel that Y'shua came to save. They don't know Y'shua's Father who is our Father. They are in an identity crisis, so to speak. My prayer is May Yah draw them.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The other:
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
You see, the story is telling you in one part of the world it will be night time, and in another part of the world, it is morning, and in another part of the world is afternoon. But "it" will be happening all at the exact same moment. Not so with the weekly Sabbath from Friday at sunset to sunset Saturday. God is in control of TIME. God declares when a new day begins (at the sunset of where ever you are at). God declares when the Sabbath is over, where ever you are at. God is with you, no matter what part of Earth you reside at.
Kerry, the majority of us around here who are keeping the Sabbath are already saved because of Jesus' life death and resurrection. And because He truly is our Sabbath from the bonds of sin and death, we are able to enjoy a physical Sabbath as well. It has nothing to do with salvation, at least for me.
So a peaceful Sabbath to you, sir, no matter what day or days, you may chose to celebrate it.
Blessings,
Matt
An observance done as a ritual as opposed to a commandment. GOD bless you in your worship.
Remember when you come across a pot that is cracked, it has lost all content, and it is good for nothing. Those vessels whole have to share in spirit and truth, caring only for the Love of Yahweh and His children.
Hi KohenMatt, there will be many people who will ignore or reject your text reference. I have had long discussions on the Sabbath with many anti-Sabbath believers. You may visit my discussions on this site. Blessed Sabbath to you to. Thanks.
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overcomer2
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Sabbath given to us as a day to rest first observed by God in the first 7 days of creation, then as a command to keep the 7th day Holy. Strive to enter into rest today.
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Because they did not strive....
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Because they did not strive....
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overcomer2
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So, when you strive not to look on one to lust this is not a work, why is it considered work to rest on Sabbath. Do you always tell the truth or do you work at being honest.
There is a difference between religious works and works of faith.
Faith without works is dead. To strive not to sin is a work. I doubt very seriously you have reached that place of no sin in your life. I bet you still work at it.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
WHAT IS REAL LOVE.
Jesus came to inform people how and what they must do to be saved.
1 Joh 5:1-3 – “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” This is one of the most important texts in the Bible and the one that is ignored the most.
The texts above provides us with the following facts.
Everyone that believes that Jesus is the Christ = is born of God.
Everyone that loves the Father = loves those that is born of God.
Everyone that loves God and keep God’s Commandments = loves the children of God
The love of God = keep His Commandments.
Or another shorter summary:-
The keeping of the Commandments = love of God = love those that is born of God = believes that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah Saviour, Redeemer, Lamb, or Peacekeeper) = loves the children of God.
This is the perfect recipe for true love to God. Any ingredient that is changed negatively will therefore change all the other ingredients negatively. The one who wants to change it will soon realize that the final product is not going to be the same and could possibly turn out to be:-
Do not keep the Commandments = No love to God = No love to those that is born of God = Do not believe that Jesus is the Christ = No love towards the children of God.
Mankind can thus not accept God and reject Jesus or do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, and so could they not say that they love God whilst they disobey His Commandments, and so could they not say that they love the children of God whilst they do not love those that is born of God.
Perfect love can thus be seen as a unity of::- The Love towards God and Jesus Christ, plus the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, plus the love to those that are born of God, plus the love to the children of God, plus the love to keep all the Commandments. The omission of any one ‘love’ above, or even disobeying one or a part of the Commandments of God, disintegrates perfect love and can have serious consequences for man.
Jesus also came to teach man how to be good and loving to mankind, not by empty words, but with deeds.
You are obviously a Sunday keeper who strictly goes to church every Sunday AND NO OTHER DAY. Well, here is a bright newsflash, Sunday is the worship day of the Beast as he wants you to follow him and not God. Mankind evolves around own desires, thoughts and decisions. Because Sunday worshipping has been in force for many years, does not obliterate the fact that the Sabbath, Saturday, and not any other day, is the only day that God set aside for man to rest on. Do you think for one second that God is so stupid to include a commandment in His Ten Commandments that does not need to be held. Wake up my friend. All those Sunday teachings are from Satan as he wants everybody on his side. He has lost his battle already and now he wants to take all God's children with him to hell. If I were you, I would reconsider my stand regarding Sunday keeping. This is a very serious issue and you need to be awake when you make the decision. Read the first part of my reply again and see what real love is. I have prayed for you.
Hi Kerry. that is easy. Just check to see on which day the Roman Catholic Church gather for their services and the Sabbath will be the day before. The RCC changed the Sabbath keeping to Sunday keeping.
The Sabbath is so important as it is part of God's Commandments and nobody dares to ignore it. Those who do will definitely suffer the consequences.
They will not be able to enter because of unbelief, just as the children of Israel couldn't enter the promised land because of unbelief..
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overcomer2
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Yes, actually unbelief if the only sin that will keep you from entering. That when you sin you can be forgiven when you repent. You can sin when you lust, kill, covet, not keep the Sabbath Holy well and many more things.
Hi Matt, I cannot agree with you that any day is OK to celebrate the Sabbath. God was very specific and the Sabbath name was given to the first seventh day that existed, just after the six days of creation. This cycle has never changed and even now our calenders are drawn up in a seven day cycle. The closest people to Jesus Christ are the Jewish and because of their strong tradition, they have kept the Sabbath all over the years. When Jesus was on this earth, the Pharisees checked Jesus and His disciples to see what they were doing on a Sabbath and at one stage confronted Jesus about the picking of wheat on a Sabbath. As they, who are the closest to Jesus, still obey the Sabbath on the Saturday, that is from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset, we can accept that the Sabbath is on the Saturday and will be so forever. Jesus' death here was to free us from all sins and to abolish the man written law about circumcision, meat offerings etc. but did not abolish God's Law which is also the guideline to the Love to God and to your Neighbour. The Bible teaches us in many ways that the Commandments still need to be kept until Jesus comes again. If you need references, go and read what I have written about the Sabbath which I have done extensively.
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overcomer2
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I'm not sure I understand you... if you lust that is sin, if you steal that is sin if you do not keep the sabbath Holy that is sin, if you covet your neighbors property that is sin. You do not agree that these are sin? Or because they are mentioned in OT that they are called law?
What do you call sin?
What do you call sin?
Sin is unbelief in GOD through his son. Sin is all unrighteousness. Sin is not loving one's self or one's neighbor. Sin is lawlessness (i.e., opposing the revealed will of GOD)