for those who do not sin

[phil36]

You are obviously not sinless.

Heres where you go wong Homewardbound, your merge mans status in Christ with what man is.

And at all costs you hold to your belief even to the extent of twisting and misusing scripture (I pointed that out when you misused Galatians 1:16).

I fully understand that in Christ our status as adopted children God see's his son in our place, and God is faithful and just to forgive when we repent.. However, a war rages in us between our new created nature and our old self..even Paul describes his battles (which you twist and basically deny)..
But one day, we will be glorified..be made 'sinless.

I am Glad John wrote this:

Walking in the Light
…7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…

 

[homwardbound]

Ah right now we are actually getting somewhere..so you cannot possibly be a sinless man, past or present. I was worried that you where actually going to make out God to be a Liar...(maybe that's why you added..that there is a future possibility that you may sin?). Because you do know that those who say they have no sin make God out to be a liar... and yes Joh was talking to Christians.

Now concerning post #295, I actually find it deplorable that you view davids murdering and adultery of a lesser sort of sin than anyone else's... you obviously do not understand what sin is.. Yes I know that we are saved, and IF WE REPENT of our sins God is just to forgive. But for se unknown reason you and Kerry think that David was just a little naughty boy who was ever so slightly disobedient... why would david Killing someone be different from anyone else... now I am talking about the ACT OF SIN and not the forgiveness God gives to His own. I think what you are expounding here is dangerous and will lead many to disregard their sin and espesiaclly what sin is.

I am by no means exploiting anyone to continue to sin and neglect such a great salvation in everyone's sin's being forgiven by God through Christ. How will one escape?
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
How can one these disciples call the salvation so great unless we are forgiven 100% by God through Christ.

How can I say this before any one of us her were ever born here on earth, Christ died for us, Can this be removed?
Is it done or is it not?
To ask for more forgiveness beyond the cross is no different that having blood sacrifices allover again and there is no remission of any sin without blood
Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Talk about calling God a liar. Is there anymore sacrifice from God to be executed on our behalf. Is he ever going to hang on a tree again and ever shed any more blood?
Or is done as in John 19:30, where Christ yelled out it is finished.
So watch out what this world has been teaching and ask God your teacher whom lives in you and sees you as perfect through having Faith in God.

Find me any place in the New Testament after the death of Christ on the cross, the last shedding of blood, where it is written anywhere that after receiving God's forgiveness at the death of Christ, anywhere it is written we are to ask for forgiveness over and over again?
Not there by any of the disciples, not even in 1 John 1:9. No where after we agree that God through Christ came in the flesh and that we are born with a flesh nature that sins, we thus receive God's forgiveness complete from the cross and love as God loves. Because God from there raises us from the dead and we bear new life in the Spirit of God, where no sin's occur ever.
So are you dead to sin with Christ in the flesh and made alive in the spirit of God by the resurrection, where all the praises and glory are at, with no time for even thinking about sin, because you are tooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! busy in God's Spirit praising and worshipping God there????? HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! enquiring minds are wanting to know, is this truth? well ask God. God will tell you and set you free in God through the death and resurrection of Christ, if you have no maliciousness in you to take and use this grace as a means for an excuse for the flesh as many do to this day, as the Corinthians did and is why 1Cor. was written to them

 

[phil36]

Talk about calling God a liar. Is there anymore sacrifice from God to be executed on our behalf. Is he ever going to hang on a tree again and ever shed any more blood?
Or is done as in John 19:30, where Christ yelled out it is finished.
So watch out what this world has been teaching and ask God your teacher whom lives in you and sees you as perfect through having Faith in God.

Christ shed his blood once for all time... that's what I mean how you seem to stratch and twist.... t
Jesus dying on the cross, and you having Faith in Christ is what gives you a new status.. however you will still battle daily with sin... BUT GOD IS JUST TO FORGIVE ON THE BASIS OF HIS SON.


So you see you are not sinless... and again I will say it again, if you say you are you make God out to be a liar... I have already admitted that I shamefully sin.. but you on the other hand say you don't...we should let scripture have the last say:

Walking in the Light
…7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…

 

[homwardbound]

You are obviously not sinless.

Heres where you go wong Homewardbound, your merge mans status in Christ with what man is.

And at all costs you hold to your belief even to the extent of twisting and misusing scripture (I pointed that out when you misused Galatians 1:16).

I fully understand that in Christ our status as adopted children God see's his son in our place, and God is faithful and just to forgive when we repent.. However, a war rages in us between our new created nature and our old self..even Paul describes his battles (which you twist and basically deny)..
But one day, we will be glorified..be made 'sinless.

I am Glad John wrote this:

Walking in the Light
…7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…

So it is not possible for God to glorify you now? Wait a minute did you ignore this scripture that through his death we are made Holy
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

And the next verse is if you hold on to?

[h=3]Colossians 1:23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister


I am are you and he was manifested to:
1 John 3:5
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Or so you not know this? why do you hold onto sin as if sin is more powerful than God?

 

[phil36]

Again you fail to distinguish...

Are you saying you that not only are you sinless but you are now glorified... man this gets worse!

 

[homwardbound]

Christ shed his blood once for all time... that's what I mean how you seem to stratch and twist.... t
Jesus dying on the cross, and you having Faith in Christ is what gives you a new status.. however you will still battle daily with sin... BUT GOD IS JUST TO FORGIVE ON THE BASIS OF HIS SON.


So you see you are not sinless... and again I will say it again, if you say you are you make God out to be a liar... I have already admitted that I shamefully sin.. but you on the other hand say you don't...we should let scripture have the last say:

Walking in the Light
…7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…

I used to not walk in the light as he is in the light, because I was working at not sinning in the energy of my own flesh and therefore I was continuing in Sin sowing to the flesh and not being aware of it, as you are not made aware of it yet by God to you as this stage of your growth in God
God has perfected me to walk in the light as he is in the light, as Paul who was Saul sinned and thus changed from his own self righteousness and became a partaker in God's Righteousness.
So you do not see truth here and ignore what I say abut sin.
I said it is not me, it is God that takes away sin in you through believing God. God is getting all the credit not me, God forbid
Do you even understand the scriptures written from God to you through Paul
[h=3]Romans 6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive to God[/h]6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[homwardbound]

Again you fail to distinguish...

Are you saying you that not only are you sinless but you are now glorified... man this gets worse!

Words of God's righteousness received by Faith in the finished work at the cross are:
You are righteous
and justified, if you
have the peace that
passes all
understanding;
quietness and
confidence forever.

Thanks and only God can give this which I have tried to show you and you just do not see it
But I do trust God to show you eventually
Thanks and bye for now

 

[phil36]

Yes I do understanding what you are saying and what scripture says..now I can hardly take you seriously when you misquote especially your use of Galations 1:16???

Its not me who is saying he is sinless and now hinting that he is already glorified.


Walking in the Light
…7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…


Anyhow, we are just going round in circles I know you think you are sinless, and strangely already glorified in some sense.. that flys in the face of the testimony of all of Scripture..not just Romans 6.

You cant seem to understand your status in Christ with who you still are, however if you think that you are glorified then I can see how you come to your conclusion.

My final word is that..you are teaching a faulty view of who God is, what Christ has done and what man is.

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

Well...I think i just committed a little sin for judging a man and a woman here in cc...it was a heated discussion...although Ive got my reason why I judged them...but still I felt the same guilty feelings like I usually sinned. Right now...How I felt sorry for what ive done. How I hope I could apologize to them especially for that woman...I hope God will forgive me and cleanse me once again. God knows I don't wanna do like judging people but sometimes it just happens...

 

[Bookends]

Well...I think i just committed a little sin for judging a man and a woman here in cc...it was a heated discussion...although Ive got my reason why I judged them...but still I felt the same guilty feelings like I usually sinned. Right now...How I felt sorry for what ive done. How I hope I could apologize to them especially for that woman...I hope God will forgive me and cleanse me once again. God knows I don't wanna do like judging people but sometimes it just happens...

Do you doubt God will forgive you if you ask for it?

 

[Cobus]

Does God forgive unrepented sins. anddo we still do sin we repented from? IF we do still do sin we repented from did we repent?
Bookends GOD DOES NOT FORGIVE SIN IF WE DO NOT REPENT FROM THEM....
If God did forgive sin without repentance, then we all go to heaven. Then ALL are called and all are chosen... God will have to write another Bible then, because the one I read is... REPENT and be Baptized... Not I forgive and all receive. And my Bible says... MANY (not all) are called FEW are chosen... There is MANY on the wide road that leads to destruction, andf FEW on the road to Righteousness....

My friend God forgives a sin only ONCE.... He does not have to forgive it more than once, HE KNOWS WHEN HE WILL REMOVE THE SIN FOR YOU.... He knows when you will NEVER commit a sin again, and HE KNOWS when HE WILL PUT HIS SEED IN YOU TO NEVER SIN ANY SIN AGAIN... 1 John 3:9

 

[Bookends]

Does God forgive unrepented sins. anddo we still do sin we repented from? IF we do still do sin we repented from did we repent?
Bookends GOD DOES NOT FORGIVE SIN IF WE DO NOT REPENT FROM THEM....
If God did forgive sin without repentance, then we all go to heaven. Then ALL are called and all are chosen... God will have to write another Bible then, because the one I read is... REPENT and be Baptized... Not I forgive and all receive. And my Bible says... MANY (not all) are called FEW are chosen... There is MANY on the wide road that leads to destruction, andf FEW on the road to Righteousness....

My friend God forgives a sin only ONCE.... He does not have to forgive it more than once, HE KNOWS WHEN HE WILL REMOVE THE SIN FOR YOU.... He knows when you will NEVER commit a sin again, and HE KNOWS when HE WILL PUT HIS SEED IN YOU TO NEVER SIN ANY SIN AGAIN... 1 John 3:9

Sorry Cobus, I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore.

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

Do you doubt God will forgive you if you ask for it?

Hey my brother in Christ !!! I have no doubt of God's love...I felt His overwhelming love like everyday or every seconds and every minute but I just ashamed of Him when I committed a fault. I didn't plan the wrong doings in the first place but it just happens at times like it is in our nature. That's why I repented every night before I go to sleep or every time I make faults. The Lord is Holy and He wants us to be holy too. We repent and He forgives !!!

God bless brother

 

[Cobus]

Hey my brother in Christ !!! I have no doubt of God's love...I felt His overwhelming love like everyday or every seconds and every minute but I just ashamed of Him when I committed a fault. I didn't plan the wrong doings in the first place but it just happens at times like it is in our nature. That's why I repented every night before I go to sleep or every time I make faults. The Lord is Holy and He wants us to be holy too. We repent and He forgives !!!

God bless brother

You are so right, and God says that we will get to a stage that we will have BOLDNESS not shamefulnes before Him... that stage is to be like God right here on this earth... as HOLY and AS PERFECT as Our Father in heaven is...
Look at this my friends... Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
We are as He is becasue HE MADE US SO (Recreated us so with GRACE AND FAITH....

God said to Abram, walk before me and be thou perfect.
And how Abram did achieve to do this was because God said in Isaiah 20... And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
I am sure God did this for Abram.... God was that voice that MOVED Abram and kept him on the narrow path of WALKING BEFORE GOD AND BEING PERFECT....

 

[Cobus]

Sorry Cobus, I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore.

I forgive you bookends, and I hold NOTHING against you. I love you, and I will always have time for you. I have to however reproof you when you are not in the Truth. So If I do reproof what you write, it is because I love you as myself, but I love God more and His Truth, His Word, His Son and HIMSELF must be the Victorer here. not me or you HIS WORD must be taught here. That is why I will ALWAYS reproof the statement... Nobody is perfect... (Jesus are so that makes it a lie...) And we will always be sinners as long as we are in the flesh... That is a lie because God says SAINTS are no sinners, but they still need to be perfected. (Eph 4:11). and then they are perfected when CHRIST MOVES IN... (When God puts HIS SEED in them to REMAIN in them.... And they CANNOT sin because they ARE NO LONGER IN FLESH, but IN SPIRIT.... The Spirit of GOD OVERCAME THE LUSTS of the flesh, that is why the SPIRIT QUICKEN the mortal body (our flesh) to DO GOD'S STATUTES... this STATUTE...
MAT 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

May the Love of God that we have for eachother be PERFECTED in us that we will also have BOLDNESS on that day, because we ARE AS GOD IS HERE ON EARTH.... JESUS IS GOD HERE ON EARTH.... MAY WE BE FOUND EXACTLY LIKE JESUS...
For HIS Glory. AMEN!

 

[zone]

I forgive you bookends, and I hold NOTHING against you. I love you, and I will always have time for you. I have to however reproof you when you are not in the Truth. So If I do reproof what you write, it is because I love you as myself, but I love God more and His Truth, His Word, His Son and HIMSELF must be the Victorer here. not me or you HIS WORD must be taught here. That is why I will ALWAYS reproof the statement... Nobody is perfect... (Jesus are so that makes it a lie...) And we will always be sinners as long as we are in the flesh... That is a lie because God says SAINTS are no sinners, but they still need to be perfected. (Eph 4:11). and then they are perfected when CHRIST MOVES IN... (When God puts HIS SEED in them to REMAIN in them.... And they CANNOT sin because they ARE NO LONGER IN FLESH, but IN SPIRIT.... The Spirit of GOD OVERCAME THE LUSTS of the flesh, that is why the SPIRIT QUICKEN the mortal body (our flesh) to DO GOD'S STATUTES... this STATUTE...
MAT 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

May the Love of God that we have for eachother be PERFECTED in us that we will also have BOLDNESS on that day, because we ARE AS GOD IS HERE ON EARTH.... JESUS IS GOD HERE ON EARTH.... MAY WE BE FOUND EXACTLY LIKE JESUS...
For HIS Glory. AMEN!

have you been baptized yet?
why not?

Galatians 3:27
Sons Through Faith in Christ
26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus

 

[homwardbound]

Do you doubt God will forgive you if you ask for it?

God has forgiven sin via the cross it is done through Christ. there is no more forgiveness of sin from God the father's standpoint after the last shedding of blood done at the cross and was the sacrifice for sin as well.
To ask for more forgiveness from God after the cross where we receive the final forgiveness from God is not going to be given from God, since there is no blood or killing involved anymore.
The ongoing forgiveness being taught that unless one asks God over and over when they sin to forgive them is unbelief that God has taken away the sin of the world through Christ's last sacrifice at the cross where by his death he has:
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
Romans 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Hebrews 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Hebrews 9:12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption
Hebrews 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jude 1:3 [ Contend for the Faith ] Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints

 

[Bookends]

God has forgiven sin via the cross it is done through Christ. there is no more forgiveness of sin from God the father's standpoint after the last shedding of blood done at the cross and was the sacrifice for sin as well.
To ask for more forgiveness from God after the cross where we receive the final forgiveness from God is not going to be given from God, since there is no blood or killing involved anymore.
The ongoing forgiveness being taught that unless one asks God over and over when they sin to forgive them is unbelief that God has taken away the sin of the world through Christ's last sacrifice at the cross where by his death he has:
Colossians 1:22

New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
Romans 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Hebrews 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Hebrews 9:12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption
Hebrews 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jude 1:3 [ Contend for the Faith ] Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints

I think your right and wrong. Regeneration is stems from the repentance and forgiveness you speak of. However, in our weakness when we sin it grieves the HS and damages our communion (not union) with God, repentance restores our communion.

 

[Cobus]

Zone let me share with you the NOT or BAPTIZED yet...

I was invited to attend a Church here in George by a fellow fisherman that I met on the rocks.... So that Sunday I went to his church. He only met me that one day on the rocks and he decided I was a Christian and that I would love the Church he attends....

So when I got there he introduced me to two or three people outsie and we went in for the sermon. Inside the sermon started with some singing and then the Pastor's wife read from the Afrikaans Bible a PSalm, and then from an Englsh Bible, and then she said some weird stuff, and all the time I felt something is wrong. First I did a evaluation of myself... Found NOTHING wrong. And since this was my first attndance to a church in twelve years, after I went through the Bible with the Holy Spirit, I had quite a lot of KNOWLEDGE how to judge myself....And what I hear and see....

Already I was not HOME.... But I kept queit and then the singing got real slow and emotional... Then the pastor prayed and made an alter call for all who wants or need anything.... Some went to the front and when the Pastor lay hands on them they woudl fall backwards... Noe I was really uneasy and I knew this is NOT GOD.... One woman took the mic and told about a dream she had. I understood the dream 100% and even had the outlay in the Bible.... I asked myself... WHY DOES NO ONE HELP THE WOMAN AND LAY HER DREAM OUT.... Then I realized I am the ONLY ONE that has teh answer and the outlay... Because of the knowledge God gave me in the Word of God....

Then the people stood up from the floor and they went back to their seats... Then the Pastor said..... If there is anyone here that has a Word for the congregation come forward and do not keep your peace.... Another firstcomer that went to that church was sitting right next to me, and by Bible was on a seat between me and Houtie, the man that invited me. He stood up and went to witness how God gave him food and took care of him when he was jobless....

Then he handed the mic back to the Pastor.... I thought God wanted me to read 1 Cor 14 to them but I was not ready to reproof or do whatever... So I looked up at the cealing fan and said... God if you want me to speak, make that fan turn or move... Nothing!!!! I knew I was redicolous to try God to bargain with me, but I truly did not want to upset any person... Then the stranger came back and sat down beside me again... Then the Pastor said, if there is another person that wants to share something please come forward.. and the man I do not know from a bar of soap next to me said.... GO COBUS... how did he know my name, but I took my Bible and went to the front. Took the mic in my one hand and held the Bible with the other....

When I looked back at the people I saw a big black cloth unroll from the ceiling between me and the people. On the cloth were many colored dots. God said to me, NOW PREACH 1 COR 14 to these dots... Exactly as I wrote it down in My Truth, My Word.... I let those dots have it and the Word of God just FLOWED from my insides. I spoke to all the dots with authority and I was NOT IN A CHURCH but in an empty hall preaching to a black cloth with lots of colored dots...

I was so calm and so at peace and so glad to hear the Word of God just flow on the air... it just pured out of me like rivers from my bowles.... It was GREAT...

I tld them that women should be quiet in church, that they should REMAIN in the Bible and not venture outside God's Word. God gave as a NARROW path, His Word to STAY ON.... This falling over stuff is NOT OF GOD... And so God is NOT HERE....

Then the Pastor touched me on the shoulder and said... NO friend that is not of God. I said I should leave then and he said yes... As I walked out and on my way to the door I realized the curtain with the dots were gone and all saw me leave. On my way to the door I was wondering if I am going to be upset that we cannot agree on God’s Will, Word and WAY... It is SAD that we cannot agree, becasue God wants us to AFGREE and be of ONE MIND and ONE TONGUE...

The moment I walked out the door a PEACE fell on me that I NEVER experienced. I CANNOT explain the peace because my human mind CANNOT event contemplate this peace....Si I left the church and drove the 20 km back home....

The next week Tuesday i reeived a phone call from Houtie. He asked if they (him and their head-elder) can come visit me at my home... Right then God said .... Cobus if they come to your home you will wash their feet while you pray for every individual, and I will reveal my Word to them, to every one that accepts the feetwash.... ZONE... God knew, I knew and Satan knew I was going to wash their feet in my home, and God will reveal the Word to them.... We made and appointment for Thursday evening at 7 PM in my home in Heroldsbay.

The next day, Wednesday, Houtie called again and said if I would mind coming to his house that same Wednesday evening also at SEVEN PM... God said... Cobus they sould wash your feet now, and you will know I am there God.... I said OK it is a date...

That evening I went to Houtie’s home. There were two men and their wives and myself. I took my laptop with God’s Bible on it and we sat and talked about this and that... light chatter, and me anxiously awaiting when I should remove my shoes.... Then the elder said... YES Houtie now this is a bit awkward, how shall we start... I said in my head.... WITH WASHING OF MY FEET AND PRAYER.... PLEASE LET US AT LEAST PRAY... but i did not say it out loud... So the elder said.... Let us fall with the door into the house....Cobus have you been baptized?.....

Now Zonie you have to believe me on this... for the next few minutes I WAS NOT SPEAKING, I just heard WORDS COME FROM MY MOUTH AND ANSWERS THAT CAN BE PROVEN IN GOD’S WORD..... I DID NOT SPEAK....

The word YES came from my mouth..... He asked by whom... By JESUS... came from my mouth.... Now his wife said..... Jack did not mean that baptism.... I have a problem when a woman wants to teach me, Jack, please... And that is as far as the words got coming from my mouth.... Jack said to his wife.... Cathy why do you and Jill not go to the kitchen just for a bit until we have sorted out some things first amongst... And that is as far as Jack got... when Cathy flew up out of the couch and said.... GIVE ME THE CAR KEYS... wow SHE WAS FURIOUS AND VERY MEAN.... So Jack put on a “funny mask, and said... YES YOU WOMEN GO DRIVE AROUND, HAHAHA... so FALSE and apolagetic for his wifes evil behaviour.... I was even feeling sorry for the man.... The two women left and I did not know where they went after they left the living room...

Jack continued and said.... No Cobus not that baptism he said.... THERE is only ONE baptism... came from my mouth.... No there is two he said... What Bible do you read?... came from my mouth... They answered different answers both of them, and in both there Bibles Acts 8:37 was left out... a verse that actually confirms the water baptism Philip had with the EUNUCH. Let us just use the King James on my laptop and whatever verse you want me to read, let us read it so we san at least be on the same page.... I heard myself say... And as you well know Zonie, the Bible Himself gives enough to argue in VERY different directions.... But I as not sent to argue and I did not repeat anything twice.

I just saw they did not wash my feet and I knew we will not agree.... So I asked to leave peacefully,... As Christian as Houtie was when he invited me to church so hostile he was to throw me out, but not before he would hit me with his fists for he said....I will slap you silly, you have a problem with my church, my wife and my Bible.... And the elder took my shirt sleeve just under my shoulder, shaking it from side to side saying..... Cobus let me prophecy to you now... YOU WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTIZED.... I have great news for you my friend, I have the peace of Jesus in me.

When we went out onto the porch, the women were sitting there. As I walked past Cathy asked Jack... How did it go?... Jack said he believes in only ONE Baptism, and she said... But there is three.... So I left, and all meetings after that night was very uncumfortable for them, NOT ME...

 

[homwardbound]

I think your right and wrong. Regeneration is stems from the repentance and forgiveness you speak of. However, in our weakness when we sin it grieves the HS and damages our communion (not union) with God, repentance restores our communion.

Thanks, one's view can excuse and abuse or set them free, and it all really comes down to is whether one believes Christ is the way, the truth and the life, shown through the death, burial and resurrection by God the Father, for us all that believe in this way from Father to us a gift for all that believe.
So it all is down to believe or not to believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!