D
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
what spirit is leading you?
LEVITICUS 22:31-32: "Therefore you shall keep My commandments and perform them: I am Yahweh. You shall not profane My holy name, but I will be hallowed among the children of Israel."
EXODUS 20:7, "You shall not take the Name of Yahweh your Heavenly Father to bring it to nothing, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who brings dishonor upon or profanes His Name."
You fail to understand what I mean. This is why the fire is needed, to burn away that which is not needed. Words and their meanings have, can and will change through time.
Let us use an exanple word for comparison and understanding purposes.
N---a. This word was very derogatory during slavery. But how is it viewed now?
Even now I feel compared to let people know I'm black when even typing it out to relieve any tensions that may arise from it. However we use it like a positive word. So then its meaning can only be judged by context of its usage (testing the spirit)
If my name is John Doe, How would I be called in heaven by that name? How many people would answer by that name? Even this will have its part in the lake, that the spirit be saved.
Before anyone criticizes any brother in the Messiah for what name they prefer, consider this, and learn this.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
From the Hebrew Yeshua.
Yeshua transliterated to Greek, and from Greek to Latin, and from Latin to English is Jesus.
Jesus and Yeshua are the same, both transliterations.
Both names may be completely translated from Hebrew as Salvation.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Get it? Call Him Jesus in holy adoration, call Him Yeshua in holy adoration, but do not call Him a Yahweh fan or the like, and you are calling Him this when you ridicule any other in the Body of Yeshua for using the name with which they feel most inclined to use.
Salvation is the name of our Savior.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
From the Hebrew Yeshua.
Yeshua transliterated to Greek, and from Greek to Latin, and from Latin to English is Jesus.
Jesus and Yeshua are the same, both transliterations.
Both names may be completely translated from Hebrew as Salvation.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Get it? Call Him Jesus in holy adoration, call Him Yeshua in holy adoration, but do not call Him a Yahweh fan or the like, and you are calling Him this when you ridicule any other in the Body of Yeshua for using the name with which they feel most inclined to use.
Salvation is the name of our Savior.
Did you even read the original post? It's Mashiyach, not Messiah.
I mean, if you HAVE to use those 'original' hebrew names, then please be consistent about it.
Ephesians 3:13-15
13*Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
14*For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15*Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
To profane His holy name is to call ANY MAN common or unclean. By this, we say that Yahweh has an unclean Spirit (remember ALL in heaven and earth is NAMED after Him).
Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in athe day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods, of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!"
and the children's children, to the third and fourth generation."
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Psalm 118:26, "Blessed be He Who comes in the Name of Yahweh!.."
and the children's children, to the third and fourth generation."
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Psalm 118:26, "Blessed be He Who comes in the Name of Yahweh!.."
I just wish you fully understand this.
Now Yahweh is a beautiful name, but Yahweh STILL pays rent, light and gas bills! His subjects still still work simply for survival, only to STILL die in the end! This IS the vanity passed down by our fathers!
I am that messenger of peace. We have enough for ALL, including salvation. Why do we give our power to shiny rocks (gold and diamonds) and paper (money and numbers on computers) when THEY ARE NO GODS!? Nor is made in the image of God as we are?
We have no excuse!
We have no excuse!
The reason people use translations in there own language is so that they are more comfortable with it and its easier to swallow.
Also within each translation certain nuances give light to cultural and then important historical information. All you have to do is read the phony KJV to see this. Racism, and political cues are abound within the KJV translation. But at the time these were socially acceptable and helped people attain the same mindset to be unified within the Church of England.
Also within each translation certain nuances give light to cultural and then important historical information. All you have to do is read the phony KJV to see this. Racism, and political cues are abound within the KJV translation. But at the time these were socially acceptable and helped people attain the same mindset to be unified within the Church of England.
D
didymos
Guest
I never said that, I love to call Yahweh by His name.
Im not sure who the "Lord" is though, that could be anyone, and Yahweh seems pretty ticked that evil men have caused the people to forget His name for Lord. This is why I wont use Lord, PERSONALLY.
YHWH has been replace over 6,800 times with Lord, further causing the people to forget His name for Lord.
Im not sure who the "Lord" is though, that could be anyone, and Yahweh seems pretty ticked that evil men have caused the people to forget His name for Lord. This is why I wont use Lord, PERSONALLY.
YHWH has been replace over 6,800 times with Lord, further causing the people to forget His name for Lord.
ahh you edited your post before the time stamp, I will also answer this question
yes I that is a way you could put it. That is why I chose to reply to this thread.
D
didymos
Guest
It's fine by me if you use'Yahweh,' I'm not out to offend anyone here. Fact is people 'like you' also tend to use hebrew Bible book names, and I'd appreciate it if they (i.e. 'Yahweh' fans) were more consistent about it. That's all.
E
Ecclesiastik
Guest
I once was extremely annoyed at everyone in the Sacred Name movement. I admit that many of the followers still bother me because many pretend that if you are not calling God by the original Hebrew then you are in sin.
However, I have to look at things in perspective. I used to be a KJV-onlyist and the Lord brought me out of it. This was dross in my life and the Lord burned it up, it did not stand. Yet it was not immediate. There were some people who met me who I fought vehemently against, insisting that my belief was correct. The same thing is true with my former belief that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.
There are, indeed, some things that are weighing down the sheep of the Lord. God is able to bring them out of this if it is indeed a weight upon one of His sheep. But sometimes its not. Sometimes people just like the KJV, sometimes there are folks who enjoy the gift of tongues, and sometimes there are people who love the original language (I love the Greek although I don't use it on a regular basis).
Where it becomes a weight is when you start saying that everyone needs to follow something in order to be saved when the Bible only says you need to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ to accomplish this.
However, I have to look at things in perspective. I used to be a KJV-onlyist and the Lord brought me out of it. This was dross in my life and the Lord burned it up, it did not stand. Yet it was not immediate. There were some people who met me who I fought vehemently against, insisting that my belief was correct. The same thing is true with my former belief that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.
There are, indeed, some things that are weighing down the sheep of the Lord. God is able to bring them out of this if it is indeed a weight upon one of His sheep. But sometimes its not. Sometimes people just like the KJV, sometimes there are folks who enjoy the gift of tongues, and sometimes there are people who love the original language (I love the Greek although I don't use it on a regular basis).
Where it becomes a weight is when you start saying that everyone needs to follow something in order to be saved when the Bible only says you need to repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ to accomplish this.
did you happen to read my post about how those other names include Yahweh and removing those is a peart of making people forget Yahweh's name?
PERSONALLY, I can only speak for me, IMO, words can be translated, names are names, and thus should be kept intact. do you find it odd that the names of the demons and false gods are kept intact in most bibles, yet Yahweh's name is not kept?
D
didymos
Guest
That was kinda off topic now, wasn't it?
how was it off topic, it dealt directly with the removal of the names of the writers of Scripture and why I disagree with it, that is 100% on topic.
and because their names truly contain Yahweh in them, His name also applies.
My son has many names:
Isaac
Isaac Matthew
Bubba
Little Man
Yitzach
Brudder
My Boy
Buddy
My picture of God's Faithfulness
My Namesake
Son
He's called many things by many different people, including myself. Depending on your relationship to him, or a particular moment or situation, or a particular language, he can be called many things. But it doesn't change who he is.
I believe it's the same with God. I call Him:
YHWH
Abba
Father
God
Lord
Yeshua
Jesus
Savior
Any particular name that refers to His characteristics throughout the Bible
Is His actual name something close to YHWH (Yahweh)? Probably. But I'm not going to get hung up on what people call Him (as long as it's not something like Bob).
No matter what variation of His name we call Him,
It doesn't change WHO He is, which is far more important that what we call Him.
Isaac
Isaac Matthew
Bubba
Little Man
Yitzach
Brudder
My Boy
Buddy
My picture of God's Faithfulness
My Namesake
Son
He's called many things by many different people, including myself. Depending on your relationship to him, or a particular moment or situation, or a particular language, he can be called many things. But it doesn't change who he is.
I believe it's the same with God. I call Him:
YHWH
Abba
Father
God
Lord
Yeshua
Jesus
Savior
Any particular name that refers to His characteristics throughout the Bible
Is His actual name something close to YHWH (Yahweh)? Probably. But I'm not going to get hung up on what people call Him (as long as it's not something like Bob).
No matter what variation of His name we call Him,
It doesn't change WHO He is, which is far more important that what we call Him.