Free from the law??

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studentoftheword

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TMS said:
What made Jesus righteous?
He obeyed the law perfectly.
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NO __NO -AND NO -----Jesus was always Righteous ----he was Sinless ---Jesus was Perfect in His Divine Nature ----Jesus is God incarnate -------Jesus was fulfilling a Prophecy when He fulfilled the Law ----Faith had nothing to do with Jesus fulfilling the Laws ------Jesus fulfilled the Law to get it out of the way for the New Covenant of Grace -----Jesus wanted the laws Gone for the Jews so they would come to Him and be Saved and be free of the Laws and the Curse the Laws brought upon the Jewish Nation -----and be free of imputed sin and be brought back into the Blessings of God ------

Again ---if your not born a Jew ---you are exempt from the 613 laws -----the Laws were for God's Jewish chosen Nation Only ---not the Gentiles -----the Gentiles only know the Covenant of Grace --they were never under the Mosaic Covenant of the Laws -----
 
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I don't think that Christ living in us makes us Perfect... His blood covers us, and His Righteousness is imputed.
 
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studentoftheword said:
NO __NO -AND NO -----Jesus was always Righteous ----he was Sinless ---Jesus was Perfect in His Divine Nature ----Jesus is God incarnate -------Jesus was fulfilling a Prophecy when He fulfilled the Law --
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I never said anything different.
He was alway righteous, Holy, devine and perfect, i believe the same.
He was sinless because He did not transgress the law.
Sin is to break the law.
He lived a perfectly righteous life. A life free from sin. The sinless life = a righteous life.
 
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Ted01 said:
I don't think that Christ living in us makes us Perfect... His blood covers us, and His Righteousness is imputed.
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The gift of His righteous, sinless life is what makes us sinless.
He is transforming our heart daily and recreating His image in us.
He was sinless and wants to form a sinless character in us. This is the work of a lifetime and happens by faith.
 
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Ted01 said:
I don't think that Christ living in us makes us Perfect... His blood covers us, and His Righteousness is imputed.
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Your refering to Justification.
I agree.
But what about sanctification?
 
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TMS said:
I agree with the bible verses.
They strengthen my understanding.
Please help me to see how I'm a sinner and conscious of sin without a law?
Is the law of the 10 commandments convicting you of sin or not.

We are all born sinners, but choosing to sin is not forced on us. We by God's power can be freed from the chains of sin.

Justification by grace is the righteousness of Christs placed on us. 100% forgiveness and perfect in God's eyes.

Sanctification is Christ in us transforming us into His image.

We are lost and helpless but i believe Christ has given us a way to be free from sin.

The law points out the sin and Christ can free us in multible ways.

Is the law convicting you or not?
Rom 6:14-18
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 7:7-8 KJV 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
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The Holy Spirit convicts me of sin so I have no need for the law to do so.
 
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TMS said:
He was sinless because He did not transgress the law.
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NO ----he was Sinless because He was God ---God can't sin ===

You have a Big Spiritual understanding problem from what i see
 
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TMS said:
The gift of His righteous, sinless life is what makes us sinless.
He is transforming our heart daily and recreating His image in us.
He was sinless and wants to form a sinless character in us. This is the work of a lifetime and happens by faith.
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So, are you saying that you are currently sinless?

And I'm not sure what you're asking about sanctification?
 
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There are two points i want to clear up.
The first,
is when we are looking to our own works, trusting to anything we can do, to bring ourselves into harmony with God. He who is trying to become holy by his own works in keeping the law, is attempting an impossibility. All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin. It is the grace of Christ alone, through faith, that can make us holy.
The second thing...
The opposite and no less dangerous error is the belief that Christ releases men from keeping the law of God.
Because it is by faith alone we become partakers of the grace of Christ, they use this as an excuse for our works to mean nothing.
But notice that obedience is not a mere outward compliance, but the service of love. The law of God is an expression of His very nature; it is an embodiment of the great principle of love, and hence is the foundation of His government in heaven and earth. If our hearts are renewed in the likeness of God, if the divine love is implanted in the soul, will not the law of God be carried out in the life?
You do not work or obey to be saved, the works are a result of the love of Jesus in us. By their fruits you will know them.
 
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Ted01 said:
So, are you saying that you are currently sinless?

And I'm not sure what you're asking about sanctification?
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When i go to Jesus and ask for forgiveness I'm justified then and there. 100% perfect if I'm sincere and only God can judge.
Because i love Jesus and want to be like Him, i ask for Him to transform me and create in me a new heart.

Like David...
Psa 51:7-10
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. 9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
 
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TMS said:
When i go to Jesus and ask for forgiveness I'm justified then and there. 100% perfect if I'm sincere and only God can judge.
Because i love Jesus and want to be like Him, i ask for Him to transform me and create in me a new heart.

Like David...
Psa 51:7-10
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. 9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
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I'm not of that mindset.
I do think that positionally we might be considered by God to be sinless after that confession,
but nowhere near perfect.

Consider the concept of being perfect... can we really believe that we could perfect, as Christ is perfect?
How long, in seconds, do you imagine we could remain that way?
No guile, no deceit whatsoever? Not even with ourselves?
If I got up from prayer and had been made perfect, would I walk taller, have perfect posture?
Not step on an ant and kill it needlessly, not bend a blade of grass or disturb the environment somehow?

I think that I would look inside my heart and see instantly how much I loved my sin, and that my confession was,
to some degree, disingenuous.

I believe, that God sees our infirmity as we are... Imperfect and shows Mercy and Grace. Knowing that we could never be
anywhere close to perfect in these bodies of clay.
 
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TMS said:
The opposite and no less dangerous error is the belief that Christ releases men from keeping the law of God.
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Actually that's exactly what grace does. I already know you'll tell me Christ cancelled the law of Moses but not the "law of God." However, you're wrong. If you want to seek God's favor by keeping the law, any law, then be my guest; I feel sorry for you and hope you find your way. But you're no different than any of the Judaizers in the Bible who loved nothing more than to spy on others' liberty and bring them again into bondage.

I don't know about you but I walk by the Spirit, not the letter. Good luck.
 
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TMS said:
The opposite and no less dangerous error is the belief that Christ releases men from keeping the law of God.

Because it is by faith alone we become partakers of the grace of Christ, they use this as an excuse for our works to mean nothing.

But notice that obedience is not a mere outward compliance, but the service of love.

The law of God is an expression of His very nature; it is an embodiment of the great principle of love, and hence is the foundation of His government in heaven and earth. If our hearts are renewed in the likeness of God,
if the divine love is implanted in the soul, will not the law of God be carried out in the life?

You do not work or obey to be saved, the works are a result of the love of Jesus in us. By their fruits you will know them.
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I say ----

This is where you are all mixed up -----your mixed up about what Faith is and how it works in regards to bearing good fruit ----and your mixed up about God's Laws being an expression of His very Nature -----

You need to do some serious research on Faith and why God gave the laws -----God's Faith requires a positive response ---Faith is the drive behind Good Works ----Faith requires action and will propel the person to act -----

The Parable of the Good Samaritan is what you should read for a good Faith Scripture -----the Good Samaritan ----acted right a way out of Faith -------Abraham acted out of Faith when he obeyed God to kill his son ----

So our works is because of our Faith in Jesus ---not a result of the love of Jesus in us as you have stated here -----
the works are a result of the love of Jesus in us. By their fruits you will know them.[/QUOTE]


From Strong's Concordance
Faith always pre-supposes revelation" "Faith is always a response to a divine revelation" ""Faith precedes works, and is not something merely deduced by
Since faith is a power that seizes upon the soul, one who yields himself to it is said --obedience rendered to faith

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Your quote here
The law of God is an expression of His very nature; it is an embodiment of the great principle of love,

I say
No ---if you do your research on why God put the 613 laws in place you will see it is an expression of His Grace ------He was actually showing Mercy to His Sinful Nation -----God Is LOVE -----but He is also a God of Justice ---and could have killed His wicked human Creation but instead showed His Creation Grace and Mercy by giving them laws until He could bring His Son to fulfill the laws and bring in a better Covenant -----

You seems to have the right idea on some things --but on other things you seem to be just taking scripture and trying to make it say what you want without understanding the Context of what the scripture is really saying -----

You have several people here trying to tell you that your concept on the law is wrong but your not listening ----you cannot keep God's perfect Laws -----and having Christ in you does not means that you have kept all the Laws -----as your Spirit is righteous but your flesh is still involved in this world and you still sin at times ---and that will happen till you die ------your flesh remains corrupt -----until you shed your flesh you will still miss the mark and need to rely on God's Grace to help you stay out of Sin and even though God does not impute sin on the believer anymore -you will still sin -----

Only Your Spirit is Holy ---and heaven bound -------you have to work out the changing of your mind yourself ---when you got saved your mind is still in the world -----you have to change the way you think to God way of thinking -----

Romans 12 :2 ---this is your job

Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
 
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TMS said:
There are two points i want to clear up.
The first,
is when we are looking to our own works, trusting to anything we can do, to bring ourselves into harmony with God. He who is trying to become holy by his own works in keeping the law, is attempting an impossibility. All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin. It is the grace of Christ alone, through faith, that can make us holy.
The second thing...
The opposite and no less dangerous error is the belief that Christ releases men from keeping the law of God.
Because it is by faith alone we become partakers of the grace of Christ, they use this as an excuse for our works to mean nothing.
But notice that obedience is not a mere outward compliance, but the service of love. The law of God is an expression of His very nature; it is an embodiment of the great principle of love, and hence is the foundation of His government in heaven and earth. If our hearts are renewed in the likeness of God, if the divine love is implanted in the soul, will not the law of God be carried out in the life?
You do not work or obey to be saved, the works are a result of the love of Jesus in us. By their fruits you will know them.
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Well said brother,

BLessings.

 
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If i keep the law because the Holy Spirit fills me with Gods love,
Is there anything wrong with that?
Is it okay to dissobey the law because Jesus kept it holy?

I am a sinner, I'm a slave to the inherited nature and can't free myself from sin.

What do i do?
1. Continue in sin because Jesus paid it all. Continue to allow sin to be my master and strengthen the evil nature because Jesus paid it all.

Or 2.
Realize my state, and surrender my poluted heart to Jesus. Give up my evil ways and claim the promises of Jesus by faith.
Allow the Holy Spirit to convict me and allow Jesus to rule the heart.
You can't serve two masters.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Pro 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
 
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studentoftheword said:
This is where you are all mixed up -----your mixed up about what Faith is and how it works in regards to bearing good fruit ----and your mixed up about God's Laws being an expression of His very Nature -----

You need to do some serious research on Faith and why God gave the laws -
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We can't do anything good by our own effort.
We need Jesus to do anything good.
Only God is good.
By faith i can claim the promises of Jesus. Christ in me. And that is how i can glorfy Him. No glory to me, and no way that i can earn salvation.
God's nature is expressed in Jesus. Jesus kept the law.
 
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