Free will verses permissive will
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done a fair bit of home work on this. I'm still not convinced
The Serpent in the Garden of Eden and its Background | Bible Interp https://share.google/2SDBWDwVh2kpCw2Sg
While you may think you have posted relevant verses, you actually haven't. Nothing in any of the verses posted talks about God "implanting" His "permissive will" into humans. They don't say anything of the sort.
Huh? Where did you learn the meaning of English words? If "choice" is not "free will" then it is not "choice". Perhaps your concept of "free will" needs fresh examination.
So then Adam sinned by choosing before he sinned by eating, which means he sinned by choosing before he sinned by choosing, etc., ad infinitum, which makes no sense. The other option is that we are automatons and therefore have no moral accountability. That's not what Scripture says.
Also, "your" does not mean "you are"; "you're" does.
Nowhere does Scripture say that "good" or even "very good" as used in Genesis 1 mean "incapable of choosing to do bad things". Yours is an argument from silence... and presumption.
You didn't ask me that question, but I'll answer it: He can judge because He is the righteous Creator and holds all authority over His created beings. Our hearts are not created wicked, but are that way firstly because of the sin of Adam and secondly because of our own sin.
Snakes are part of God's creation just like whales, dogs, and butterflies are. Exactly how are they "the wrong sort"?
. I said it became an animal of the wrong sort
The serpent rising up against Gods will is also thought of in the same light as many other incidents where people go against God's will.
Many scholars see that it was a later identification of the serpent being satan and there not convinced.
Why should I be convinced by you ?
many scholars have in this study of studies
The Serpent in the Garden of Eden and its Background | Bible Interp https://share.google/2SDBWDwVh2kpCw2Sg
The free will that matters is moral and so MFW refers to choosing good/God or evil/Satan,
which is why those who choose evil warrant/deserve hell.
Not sure what your mention of Pharaoh and Romans 1 refers to and means.
Point of definition: God's permissive will means allowing a person's will to choose.
It would be God's ACTIVE will that would work in a person.
Your question is flawed because of your choice of words. We are not "naturally wicked" in the way you imply.
As to why? Because God is just, that's why. If He did not hold His creation to account, He would not be just.
God is just God needs to hold people to account.
But how can a heart that is naturally wicked be brought to account.
Unless I'm mistaken Something naturally wicked is just going to keep on ignoring God's judgment,
What do you do ?
Give that heart free choice and free will ?
Lets look at Permission
Does God need permission to enter a heart that is naturally wicked ?
God said I will write my statutes in there hearts..
Permission here would also be be permissive to what God allows himself to do for his life with naturally wicked heart
Do you see how permission goes hand in hand with permissive.
Is the naturally wicked heart prohibited to God ? No
But it's prohibited to you.
oh I see so now for some reason I don't think permissive is active.
I mean I must be really dumb.
It's not your permissive will it's his
It's not your active will either it's his.
His permissive in your life is active right now as to what he is allowing for you
Whether your with him or whether you've handed yourself over to sin
Your question presumes that the heart was wicked "naturally" before Adam sinned. Scripture doesn't say that.
You're off chasing rabbits.
As stated once already once a time man had innocence
Well to be clear I don't believe that a naturally wicked heart has innocence, is that clear enough ?
Did you even wonder that before you presumed,
I find your posts difficult to read at times because of the poor spelling, lack of punctuation, and questionable grammar.
I suggest you consider something I've had to learn here: don't click "Post reply" on your emotional reaction posts. Write them if you need to, but delete them before posting.
When? Adam, pre-fruit? Or infants? How do you define "innocence"? Free of sin, or not held accountable for it?
It's clear, though your answer to my question above will help me understand your position.
See my first comment in my previous post.
already stated already and stated already stated Gods word proposes it not me.
Here it is again
Being born innocent in the lord eyes.
How can you feel even feel ashamed if your free to choose bad and do bad
So then dino Adam and even became ashamed when they did bad.
If God would have created Adam and eve with a choice to do bad or with free will then being created with bad choice and free will, they would have never have become ashamed. Its like once you lose your innocence it's gone, it's also when you knowingly sin with no Shame
It's the same reasoning for a virgin, a virgin doesn't lose there innocence until a man lays down with a woman a woman lays down with a man.
Adam and eve lost there innocence once they sinned.
Which means they where not created with free will to do bad.
If they had of been they would have been able to sin and not feel ashamed.
It's clear to me that you don't recognise God's permissive is implanted into people or is it your not sure
Gods permissive will
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Not one naturally wicked heart is without excuse Dino not one.
Only his permissive can allow that