Not sure what happened to my first post but here it is again.
Is it possible Cain survived the flood?
Is it possible Cain survived the flood?
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Not according to Scripture, which states that "all mankind" (aside from the eight on the ark) died (Genesis 7:21).
21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
No, unless he was on a very large iceberge in the arctic with food, water and shelter.
Genesis 1:
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Basically they alluded to him leaving the surface of the earth and hiding himself beneath the ground like in caves.
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Basically they alluded to him leaving the surface of the earth and hiding himself beneath the ground like in caves.
“Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.”
Genesis 4:14-16 KJV
“And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
Genesis 4:
He was bieng cast out from Gods presence and what God looks upon of the earth
nope.
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
(Genesis 7:21-23)
Cain is wicked; see 1 John 3:12
so we should ask when we read this,
- is wicked Cain telling the truth? or is wicked Cain making false accusations against God?
- is wicked Cain correct when he tells God that his punishment is too harsh?
- is wicked Cain correct to complain that God is being unjust? ((Genesis 4:13))
we know where Cain lived:
Cain went out from the presence of the Lord,
and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
(Genesis 4:16)
is the land of Nod hidden from God? no. nothing is; see Hebrews 4:13so that's not what 'out from the presence of the Lord' means.
can you hide from God if you're in a cave?
no. see Psalm 139
God doesn’t rebuke him for lying does he ? He actually answers cains fear so I wouldn’t assume he’s lying but that’s just my own belief I think had he lied God wouldn’t have answered his lie or rebuked him or something
He’s sort of repeating what God just told him
“When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.”
Genesis 4:12-16 KJV
just my own belief I don’t see any reason to think Cain was lying there
i'm talking about this part here -- is this an accurate assessment of God's judgement on Cain?
is it really "too severe" ?
Cain is essentially accusing God of being unjust.
Do fish have blood? I was wondering about that because he says that life is in the blood and then he mentions that Abel's blood cried out to him? and then it also makes me think about of why he said thou shalt not eat flesh with blood life is in the blood etc
Im not sure brother posthuman brought up the possibility of Cain lying in that quote my point is that I personally don’t see a reason to think he was lying about anything there
when God asked where able was it’s a lie he told and sarcasm “ am I my brothers keeper ?” But in his response to Gods jidgement I don’t see anything he lied about was what I was saying and I think what posthuman was wondering about he was just saying Cain was a proven lie so should we consider he lied there when responding to Gods judgement. I don’t see it but that’s just me
“And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?”
Genesis 4:9 KJV
I agree that this was a lie and also he threw in sarcasm “ I don’t know where he is , am I my brothers keeper ? But I don’t see any other lies there from Cain was what I was saying
oh ok I’m I don’t know really I think he was just realizing why there was punishment for what he did because man hadn’t been taught about sin and death yet
it could have been a lie that he thought it was too severe but I don’t know I don’t really see it that way but I’m definately not the end all knowing answer either lol been wrong too many times in life to think that
it’s definately worth considering I don’t really know if I see it that way it seems he was being genuine and speaking from fear of being cast away from Gods presence d hidden from his face that would be pretty terrifying if you had been living in Gods presence all along not knowing what was ahead and knowing Godnjad cast you away
Cain seems to geneuinely be afraid for his own safety but again that’s just how I read it
Do fish have blood? I was wondering about that because he says that life is in the blood and then he mentions that Abel's blood cried out to him? and then it also makes me think about of why he said thou shalt not eat flesh with blood life is in the blood etc
yes, fish have blood
but fish are not mentioned as perishing in the flood in Genesis 7, rather, everything 'on the face of the earth' - specifically including birds, which at some point land on ground or trees which spring up from the ground.
significantly, in Genesis 1:10 God divides the dry land from the waters - and that division is present implicitly in Genesis 7.
regarding blood, there is much much much to say, but relevant to this discussion, before the flood God had given plants of every kind that produce seeds ((so not ferns, ha!)) to man for food. after the flood God gives Noah all living creatures as food ((Genesis 9:3)). that's of interest because plants do not have blood, but the living creatures do.