Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists
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I don't think there is any doubt that, "Fundamentalist", means they believe in the inerrancy of the scripture.
Jesus was born of a virgin, He atoned for our sins, the bodily resurrection, the miracles were historically true.
Tradition has a huge part to play in the belief of Biblical inerrancy. The Bible cannot be in error is what they
are saying. Or should I say that the Lutherans stated those five points.
The Catholics and the Protestants both claim the inerrancy of the scripture.
There is debate over two broader views; the inerrancy of the main doctrines of the scripture. Or that every word in
the New Testament is written by God.
Jesus was born of a virgin, He atoned for our sins, the bodily resurrection, the miracles were historically true.
Tradition has a huge part to play in the belief of Biblical inerrancy. The Bible cannot be in error is what they
are saying. Or should I say that the Lutherans stated those five points.
The Catholics and the Protestants both claim the inerrancy of the scripture.
There is debate over two broader views; the inerrancy of the main doctrines of the scripture. Or that every word in
the New Testament is written by God.
Eph 2 says we were made alive, or saved by Grace through faith
as i posted concerning rom 12:
rom 12:
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your]reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Serve God with Spiritual Gifts
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
romans 12 is about spiritual gifts. and faith given to perform those gifts. not about salvation
as i posted concerning rom 12:
rom 12:
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your]reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Serve God with Spiritual Gifts
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
romans 12 is about spiritual gifts. and faith given to perform those gifts. not about salvation
We do, but you have to study theology. The issue is that the Greek word has rather more nuanced meaning than the English usage, but there's not really a word for it in English.
I'm a postMil, it's our job to be God's instruments in building His kingdom on Earth. That said, the 'present-as-yet' tension, where God's plan is worked but not proceeded in time, is a persistent aspect of salvation history. Our ultimate fate is immortality on Earth (not Heaven), though the Earth will be remade by His power.
Puppet is the wrong term because it entails our decisions and experience are some kind of illusion or show, they're perfectly real. They just don't work the way people like to imagine.
In Doctrinal Divinity, John Gill wrote,
- Martin Luther
- Martin Luther
– John Calvin
God is sovereign and in control of all events, though he is not doing them himself in the same way. God does not fall because a rock falls, even though God foreordained all falling rocks and they would not exist without His active will.
I'm a postMil, it's our job to be God's instruments in building His kingdom on Earth. That said, the 'present-as-yet' tension, where God's plan is worked but not proceeded in time, is a persistent aspect of salvation history. Our ultimate fate is immortality on Earth (not Heaven), though the Earth will be remade by His power.
Puppet is the wrong term because it entails our decisions and experience are some kind of illusion or show, they're perfectly real. They just don't work the way people like to imagine.
In Doctrinal Divinity, John Gill wrote,
- Martin Luther
- Martin Luther
– John Calvin
God is sovereign and in control of all events, though he is not doing them himself in the same way. God does not fall because a rock falls, even though God foreordained all falling rocks and they would not exist without His active will.
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Well said, you understand that their are differences between even the mainline churches.
In the level of tradition that is sown into their church doctrine.
What I did not understand was your comment, "aren't slave to leftist anthropology".
Anthropology is the scientific study of humanity, concerned with human behavior, human biology, cultures, societies, and linguistics.
(wiki)
In the level of tradition that is sown into their church doctrine.
What I did not understand was your comment, "aren't slave to leftist anthropology".
Anthropology is the scientific study of humanity, concerned with human behavior, human biology, cultures, societies, and linguistics.
(wiki)
And THAT is why I do not waste my time reading any old tome on Reformed theology.
I gave it a try for a while BTW. Most of it was utterly useless self-important clueless philosophical bloviating.
What a waste of paper and ink.
The pharisees likewise derived their theology from wayward clueless commentaries on commentaries.
And they had totally lost their bearings just the same.
And as we can see, nothing in the way of actual Biblical references. Which is.....typical.
I gave it a try for a while BTW. Most of it was utterly useless self-important clueless philosophical bloviating.
What a waste of paper and ink.
The pharisees likewise derived their theology from wayward clueless commentaries on commentaries.
And they had totally lost their bearings just the same.
And as we can see, nothing in the way of actual Biblical references. Which is.....typical.
Agree with this one and i know what you mean. This means that language itself is limiting, Greek included.
I’ll leave this one alone because it’s like north pole and south pole in terms of how far apart the teachings of the Bible can be for different people.
This makes zero sense.
This only makes sense with a Calvinist lens but at least it’s more coherent compared to the quote above.
This also makes sense if I put Calvinist glasses.
Not sure why you hold this man in such high regard, that’s your choice, but this is partially correct.
I’ll give you a practical example.
When a videogame designer creates a virtual world, he gives the subjects in that game “free-will” by allowing a set of choices which the creator of the game creates. So he may give around 100 different choices or in even more complicated games like Mass Effect, there were thousands of choices in there.
So if you let the game be played by itself (not involving humans) you will see that by probability alone the subjects will make different choices.
This means that the creator knows the game 100% while checking to see who made different choices.
I hope this explains “free-will” for you and omniscience, as I understand it.
I’ll leave this one alone because it’s like north pole and south pole in terms of how far apart the teachings of the Bible can be for different people.
This makes zero sense.
This only makes sense with a Calvinist lens but at least it’s more coherent compared to the quote above.
This also makes sense if I put Calvinist glasses.
Not sure why you hold this man in such high regard, that’s your choice, but this is partially correct.
I’ll give you a practical example.
When a videogame designer creates a virtual world, he gives the subjects in that game “free-will” by allowing a set of choices which the creator of the game creates. So he may give around 100 different choices or in even more complicated games like Mass Effect, there were thousands of choices in there.
So if you let the game be played by itself (not involving humans) you will see that by probability alone the subjects will make different choices.
This means that the creator knows the game 100% while checking to see who made different choices.
I hope this explains “free-will” for you and omniscience, as I understand it.
FYI, you know, I do my best to ENHANCE the ongoing commentary by INTRODUCING rock solid and pertinent Biblical OBJECT LESSONS, and seminal NARRATIVES that are the basis for any legit theological view. Like that Adam series for example.
And what is generally the response?
1) crickets
2) long winded meandering unbiblical opinions conjured out of the recesses of the imagination
Like this post for example. Frankly, it was so Biblically relevant that it became untouchable LOL!
https://christianchat.com/threads/fundamentalism-and-particular-baptists.217661/post-5434160
And what is generally the response?
1) crickets
2) long winded meandering unbiblical opinions conjured out of the recesses of the imagination
Like this post for example. Frankly, it was so Biblically relevant that it became untouchable LOL!
https://christianchat.com/threads/fundamentalism-and-particular-baptists.217661/post-5434160
Amen. I have listened to all of those lectures (an others of the similar topic) perhaps 4 or 5 times over. Minimum.
Just replayed until I absorbed every last scintilla of precious Biblical knowledge.
The poor obstinate souls out there just don't know what they are missing.
@Magenta unabashedly declares Chronister to be a "false teacher" heretical teacher" or similar ect etc.
Speaks volumes regarding the true nature of Calvinite-ism IMO.
Just replayed until I absorbed every last scintilla of precious Biblical knowledge.
The poor obstinate souls out there just don't know what they are missing.
@Magenta unabashedly declares Chronister to be a "false teacher" heretical teacher" or similar ect etc.
Speaks volumes regarding the true nature of Calvinite-ism IMO.
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Yep. Read. Listen. Things like this.
You could say: Seek. Find. Knock. Opened. Ask. Given.
And meditate upon the Lords answers.
You should try it sometime.
[Gen 24:63 KJV]
And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels [were] coming.
[Jos 1:8 KJV]
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
[Psa 1:2 KJV]
But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[Psa 63:6 KJV]
When I remember thee upon my bed, [and] meditate on thee in the [night] watches.
[Psa 77:12 KJV]
I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
[Psa 119:15 KJV]
I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
You could say: Seek. Find. Knock. Opened. Ask. Given.
And meditate upon the Lords answers.
You should try it sometime.
[Gen 24:63 KJV]
And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels [were] coming.
[Jos 1:8 KJV]
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
[Psa 1:2 KJV]
But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[Psa 63:6 KJV]
When I remember thee upon my bed, [and] meditate on thee in the [night] watches.
[Psa 77:12 KJV]
I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
[Psa 119:15 KJV]
I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
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I have ignored much of the conversation up to this point because where I am considered a SBC Baptists....I'm not Calvinistic nor Arminian....I'm what is sometimes referred to as traditional Baptist. The Baptist church has often used Calvinists as workhorses for advancing the message so often that many think that Baptist is synonymous with Calvinism. (Clue: it is not)
But that doesn't mean that I'm a liberal Baptist by any stretch of the imagination.. extremely conservative. But I'm also a recovering chef....so I drink. (Whole 12 step program and everything....but one mention of food prep and I'm back at the first step again)
Baptists have the widest pail of orthodoxy of any denomination because SBC is a convention....and on the essentials outside of any systemic theology we do agree. Heck, on the essentials I'm usually the one leading the charge. I'm a firm believer in the Trinity, Jesus is the son of God who was the perfect sacrifice for our sins, He rose on the third day not by any power other than his own.
And
He's coming back....not as a suffering Servant but as Ruler of the Universe.
As you can tell, I'm a firm believer in teaching hermeneutics....FULL hermeneutics with an originalist bent. Most Calvinists don't like that bent. Too bad for them.
Am I a fundamentalist? I don't know. People keep messing around with labels and what they mean. I'm the one the Atheists can't stand though.. not because I argue, but because I win the arguments before they start.....by letting God win the hearts.