Future President Harris: Executor-In-Chief??

[Bruce_Leiter]

I have not very often been a one-issue voter, but after last night's Trump-Harris debate, I've decided to be one this November. Harris is pro-choice, while Trump is a mild pro-life candidate.

Kamala said more than once that women have the right to control their own bodies and therefore should be able to have abortions. Trump never challenged her stated assumption; he should have.

I would have challenged her statement that women own their bodies. I would have asked her, "Do you mean that you own a developing human life within you, the way masters owned slaves during the despicable state of slavery, or what? If so, did the masters have the right to kill their slaves? Would you think that they should have had that right? If not, why not? Furthermore, that human life is ATTACHED to your body, not the same as your body."

As Christians, we don't own our bodies; God does. But Kamala Harris made me into a reluctant Trump voter again, sadly, because a vote for her would mean more human lives would be in peril of dying, especially if some Democrats get their way and pass a national law to legalize abortion. Kamala would be willing to EXECUTE human lives for the convenience of women by being the U.S. Executor-In-Chief, as she wants to be the judge, jury, and executor of helpless human lives.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I have not very often been a one-issue voter, but after last night's Trump-Harris debate, I've decided to be one this November. Harris is pro-choice, while Trump is a mild pro-life candidate.

Kamala said more than once that women have the right to control their own bodies and therefore should be able to have abortions. Trump never challenged her stated assumption; he should have.

I would have challenged her statement that women own their bodies. I would have asked her, "Do you mean that you own a developing human life within you, the way masters owned slaves during the despicable state of slavery, or what? If so, did the masters have the right to kill their slaves? Would you think that they should have had that right? If not, why not? Furthermore, that human life is ATTACHED to your body, not the same as your body."

As Christians, we don't own our bodies; God does. But Kamala Harris made me into a reluctant Trump voter again, sadly, because a vote for her would mean more human lives would be in peril of dying, especially if some Democrats get their way and pass a national law to legalize abortion. Kamala would be willing to EXECUTE human lives for the convenience of women by being the U.S. Executor-In-Chief, as she wants to be the judge, jury, and executor of helpless human lives.

So how far do you believe the government or the courts should be allowed to go in controlling the citizenry? Maybe today you agree with what they want to do, but what about tomorrow or the day after. Sure, abortion is horrible, but so is state oppression. Do you really think that outlawing abortion will stop it? The problem isn't with the law or the courts, it's in the hearts and minds of people who do such things.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Trump never challenged her stated assumption; he should have.

Correct. Trump failed to properly handle Harris, and she manipulated him. It was three-on-one no doubt, and Trump should have rejected ABC right at the start. So once again he sabotaged himself for nothing.

Getting back to Kamala's bloodthirsty promotion of abortion, there is no doubt that she made it her primary goal all along. Trump should have immediately said that murdering infants and babies is first degree murder. And he originally said that he would let the states decide what to do about abortion. He shifted on this several times unnecessarily. What the Supreme Court ruled should have been sufficient for him.

But Trump himself should have been pro-life personally. In 2015 here is what he said:
Trump credited his aboutface to a child born to his friends who “was going to be aborted. And it wasn’t aborted. And that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child.” But he has kept shifting his position 15 times over 25 years. That does not speak well of someone who chose to be conservative. He will lose a lot of pro-life votes for nothing. Pro-life Catholics are very upset with him.

In any event all talk about abortion should have been ignored. He should have laser-focused on how people could not even buy groceries and gas at reasonable prices. How the illegals were destroying America and killing Americans. How the Biden/Harris regime destroyed the economy systematically. How they censored free speech and are now promoting election fraud.

 

[tourist]

Harris condones the murder of the unborn up until the moment of birth. Despicable. The endgame of the Democrats is to totally control every facet of the lives of the citizens and illegal aliens that reside in the USA. Their motto is 'In God We Rust'.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

So how far do you believe the government or the courts should be allowed to go in controlling the citizenry? Maybe today you agree with what they want to do, but what about tomorrow or the day after. Sure, abortion is horrible, but so is state oppression. Do you really think that outlawing abortion will stop it? The problem isn't with the law or the courts, it's in the hearts and minds of people who do such things.

It's just a matter of extending the laws forbidding and punishing murder to the lives of helpless humans in women's wombs. The government has the right to punish the first and should for the second. Is that "controlling the citizenry"?

 

[ResidentAlien]

It's just a matter of extending the laws forbidding and punishing murder to the lives of helpless humans in women's wombs. The government has the right to punish the first and should for the second. Is that "controlling the citizenry"?

Maybe not; but if the Christian nationalists get power and they are able to enact their agenda, it's over. You should really watch the Bad Faith documentary, Watch Bad Faith (2024) - Free Movies | Tubi (tubitv.com). Here are some direct quotes from the film.

This is Nick Fuentes, one of the movements most vocal supporters: "We're gonna have a new country, it's gonna be a Christian nation. F*** democracy, I stand with Jesus Christ." (@4:34)

Here's one from Paul Weyrich, probably the leading architect of CN: "You who are pastors, who have been chosen by God almighty to lead, we are talking about Christianizing America. We are talking about spreading the gospel in a political context." (@17:24)

Weyrich started preaching this stuff even before the Moral Majority was created, or Reagan was elected.

Bill Moyers interviwed another key figure in the formulation of CN, Rousas Rushdoony. Moyers: "And you think democracy has substituted what for the kingdom of God?" Rushdoony: "The will of the majority." (@31:9)

There's a lot more in the video, but as these examples show, we're not talking about simply stopping the murder of unborn babies, but a fundamental overhaul of the US with a few so-called Christians running the show. Another thing we can see from the documentary is a lot of the players in this movement are relatively obscure and unknown; however, they're the ones driving it and they're the ones we should be paying attention to. They've told us plainly what their intentions are and we need to take them seriously. If you cherish the idea of a "Christian" theocracy, you'll think this is all fine and dandy. If you value democracy, not so much.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Here's a picture of Lance Wallnau's book, God's Chaos Candidate, in which Wallnau proclaims that Trump has the "Cyrus annointing." That is, like the pagan king Cyrus the Great, who freed the Jews in Babylon so they could rebuild Israel, Trump is God's chosen vessel who will free the people to rebuild the US. Translated: they will tear down the old (democracy) and rebuild the US as the "Christian nation" it was always supposed to be.

But there are a few problems with this analogy: 1) The US wasn't founded as a "Christian nation" to begin with; 2) The American citizens aren't being held captive in a foreign land. They're free to participate in democracy; 3) Trump is not, nor has he ever been, a pagan. If anything he's a pretend Christian. Wallnau's prophecy sounds, good but when you examine it, it doesn't really make sense. It's actually just ploy to get Christians to back one of the most immoral and unrepentant people who ever ran or served as President.

Here's the cover of Wallnau's book. It shows an American flag literally being shredded. If it's not clear now, I don't know when it ever will be.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

Maybe not; but if the Christian nationalists get power and they are able to enact their agenda, it's over. You should really watch the Bad Faith documentary, Watch Bad Faith (2024) - Free Movies | Tubi (tubitv.com). Here are some direct quotes from the film.

This is Nick Fuentes, one of the movements most vocal supporters: "We're gonna have a new country, it's gonna be a Christian nation. F*** democracy, I stand with Jesus Christ." (@4:34)

Here's one from Paul Weyrich, probably the leading architect of CN: "You who are pastors, who have been chosen by God almighty to lead, we are talking about Christianizing America. We are talking about spreading the gospel in a political context." (@17:24)

Weyrich started preaching this stuff even before the Moral Majority was created, or Reagan was elected.

Bill Moyers interviwed another key figure in the formulation of CN, Rousas Rushdoony. Moyers: "And you think democracy has substituted what for the kingdom of God?" Rushdoony: "The will of the majority." (@31:9)

There's a lot more in the video, but as these examples show, we're not talking about simply stopping the murder of unborn babies, but a fundamental overhaul of the US with a few so-called Christians running the show. Another thing we can see from the documentary is a lot of the players in this movement are relatively obscure and unknown; however, they're the ones driving it and they're the ones we should be paying attention to. They've told us plainly what their intentions are and we need to take them seriously. If you cherish the idea of a "Christian" theocracy, you'll think this is all fine and dandy. If you value democracy, not so much.

I don't think that we will ever be a Christian theocracy. We may edge ever so closely to a socialism with government control by the "fourth arm" of the government, the bureaucracy. We need to reach bottom in our addictions to "self" before we wake up to repent and turn to God in true faith.

The first colonies were mostly Christians of one kind or another, but the leaders were largely deists who believed that God made everything and then took an eternal "vacation."

 

[Genipher]

I found it laughable.... hypocritical... that Harris said the country deserves a president who doesn't divide the nation (insinuating herself) when about a month ago she called gun owners (half the country) "extremists".

 

[Billyd]

If the election were held today, based one simple indication, Trump will lose Florida, and Florida Republicans will likely lose a senate seat.

That observation: The number of Trump for president signs displayed on the roadsides. In 2020, most houses had a Trump/Pence sign in their front yards almost immediately after the convention. Today, for 20 miles along the main highway, I saw only two Trump signs. Voter enthusiasm is extremely low.

 

[Cameron143]

If the election were held today, based one simple indication, Trump will lose Florida, and Florida Republicans will likely lose a senate seat.

That observation: The number of Trump for president signs displayed on the roadsides. In 2020, most houses had a Trump/Pence sign in their front yards almost immediately after the convention. Today, for 20 miles along the main highway, I saw only two Trump signs. Voter enthusiasm is extremely low.

Trump will win by double digits in Florida, as well as every other Republican.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To say a theocracy could never come to the US is an uninformed statement;

NAR is a very tiny minority and does not matter. While Michael Flynn has his opinions, Trump will not be involved in what NAR proposes. The majority of Christians who vote simply want good governance, not radical Communism replacing that.

If they know their bibles, they also know that only Christ can establish a theocracy on earth. In the meantime they must propagate the Gospel (which is the primary responsibility of the Church). Then establish local churches.

And the Gospel can only be propagated when there is freedom of speech and freedom of religion side-by-side, But the Communists hate these two freedoms particularly, and all freedoms generally. All they want is power, control and tyranny. And that is precisely what Harris and Walz want. They also want to replace whites with foreign illegal invaders, and they have said that this is so that a Communist regime becomes a permanent fixture.

Everyone -- Christian or not -- should wake up to this existential threat to the USA. And God is not through with either Harris or Trump. God intervened to save Trump's life for a reason, and God also allowed him to overcome every obstacle thrown into his path. This is while Kamala seeks to lie her way into the White House and then destroy America. Does God want a Jezebel in power for "one nation under God"? You know what happened to the original Jezebel.

 

[ResidentAlien]

No theocracy eh? Here's an interview Julie Green did with Clay Clark. Clark cofounded the ReAwaken America Tour with Michael Flynn in 2021. He says he wants a fundamental shift in the country with God at the top, the prophets next, and the President below the prophets, getting his marching orders from them. This is a classic NAR/7 Mountain Dominion agenda. I hope every got this: the President and politicians would take their orders from the prophets. If that's not a theocracy, I don't know what is. The mere fact that these people are out there should give every pause. They're organized, they've been around a long time and recently have been ramping up their efforts. To say a theocracy could never come to the US is an uninformed statement; I'd suggest doing some homework.