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Just wondering if anyone here does gambling, I don't mean serious gambling as in casinos or betting shops (although I'd be interested if anyone does that too) I mean more lotto tickets and scratch cards. As a Christian I carried on my pre-Christian weekly lotto ticket routine but about 6 months ago I stopped. I felt I was trusting to luck rather than looking to God to provide for me and it just didn't feel right. I do still do £1 syndicate a week at work but that is more obligation and not wanting to withdraw my numbers from everyone else.

I'd be interested in thoughts on this subject but please can we respect the opinions of others and keep it civil? I don't want to see another thread end in bad feeling. Thank you.
 
There doesn't appear to be something inherently wrong with it if you are using disposable income for the fun of the activity.

That said, it is wiser for a Christian (or anyone) not to indulge at all. Largely for the environment gambling has become associated with and the fact that the temptation to dig into essential funds is more than many can handle.
 
Just wondering if anyone here does gambling, I don't mean serious gambling as in casinos or betting shops (although I'd be interested if anyone does that too) I mean more lotto tickets and scratch cards. As a Christian I carried on my pre-Christian weekly lotto ticket routine but about 6 months ago I stopped. I felt I was trusting to luck rather than looking to God to provide for me and it just didn't feel right. I do still do £1 syndicate a week at work but that is more obligation and not wanting to withdraw my numbers from everyone else.

I'd be interested in thoughts on this subject but please can we respect the opinions of others and keep it civil? I don't want to see another thread end in bad feeling. Thank you.

What you have described is recreation and entertainment and not really gambling. Personally, I do not see anything wrong with this. When I was in Las Vegas last month I walked in the Golden Nugget Casino with $20 and left with $25 so I don't believe that I am a serious gambler. My wife did a little better and made $75.

I don't believe that there is a direct reference in the bible to it being a sin. The soldiers did cast lots for the clothing of Jesus but even there it did not say that they sinned. It is like a lot of things, don't let it become an idol or keep food off the table for your family. You can spend $50 or more at a movie theatre or buy a couple scratch tickets for far less. Seriously, I wouldn't sweat it. Let's just do our best, be kind to animals, smell the coffee and let the chips fall where they may be.
 
I am strongly and decidedly against all forms of gambling. I think it shows a lack of faith, but it also is addictive and can be life-altering. Granted, I am biased as my father was quite addicted and lost the entire family estate. He died in debt, and it was horrible.

Additionally, I simply feel that gambling is a poor usage of our money -- we're not being good stewards of the resources God gave us when we gamble. I realize that we all need entertainment in our lives, but I think gambling is one of the lowest form of entertainment out there.
 
There is absolutely nothing in the bible that says that gambling is wrong.

If you can not control the habit and it leads you to financial problems, and relationship issues then it is a sin and wrong.
But just doing it for the fun is not sin, and the bible does not say anything about gambling.
The whole issue that said the bible mentions gambling being a sin, came from those who misused the context of casting lots. Even then if you look into the bible the casting lots was not always done in a sinful manner.
The apostles cast lots to determine Matthias to take the place of Judas.

In other words when you go to an election day and cast your vote, you are casting lots.
 
A agree with what you said, and with "tourist's" answer. As for my personal experience with the lottery, many years ago I decide one day that I might try it (I was saved at the time.) I asked the Lord if it was OK to do so. I didn't receive an answer. I told the Lord, "I will purchase one ticket. If you want me to win, I will. If you don't want me to win, I won't. Regardless of the outcome I will never purchase another ticket." I purchased a ticket, didn't win, and have never purchased another one.
 
I don't gamble (lottery, casinos etc.) because I know
the odds are not in one's favor. It's just a dumb bet
and in the long run you will lose more than you win.
And by the way, people who brag about how much
they won gambling never tell you about all their losses.
Don't be fooled by their bragimonies.

I also do not think God uses gambling as a way of
blessing you. You could consider it recreational,
but for some people gambling can also become
an addiction which is the scary and ruinous side of it.

If you wanted Bible verses that could be applicable
to the subject, I would research the topic of "foolishness".
 
Although the words "gambling" and "gamble" don't appear in the Bible, we can't assume that an activity is not a sin simply because it is not mentioned. Looking at pornography on the Internet and using illegal drugs are not mentioned either, but both violate God's laws.




MANY gamblers develop a belief in lucky numbers..... or lucky charms. They might not think that they take their superstitious beliefs very seriously, but they may persist with them anyway.

Some gamblers even offer prayers to God, asking that he help them win their chosen game! Yet, the Bible contains God's condemnation of those who claim to worship him...... but who are "setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck." (Isaiah 65:11) Yes, God detests practices that promote a superstitious belief in luck. Gambling, by its very nature, encourages a blind trust in the so-called Lady Luck.

Gambling also unashamedly promotes a love of money. In today's increasingly secular society, money itself has become a surrogate god, and gambling a popular way of worshiping it. The new cathedrals are the grandiose casinos, and the new creed is that greed is good. Researchers have found that the vast majority of people who visit casinos say they do gamble, not for the entertainment or for the atmosphere, but to win "a really large amount of money." However, the Bible warns: "The love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains."—1 Timothy 6:10.

At 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, the Bible plainly states: "Do not be misled. Neither . . . idolaters . . . nor greedy persons . . . will inherit God's kingdom." Greed is not just a debilitating social sickness; it is a lethal spiritual sickness—but a sickness for which there is a cure.

By developing a relationship with God, you too can find the strength and wisdom necessary to avoid the snare of gambling. Doing so will improve your financial, emotional, and spiritual health. You will then have the pleasure of experiencing for yourself the truthfulness of the words recorded at Proverbs 10:22: "The blessings of GOD—that is what makes one rich, and he adds no pain with it."

God Bless~~



 
I've always wondered if the people who vehemently oppose gambling thought the same thing about being involved in the stock market? It's the same thing (unless you have inside information, which is usually illegal). Instead of saying your "making a bet", instead your "investing" or taking a "calculated risk", means the same thing basically.
 
I gambled last year and won quite a bit of money...I also lost all that money. I'm the guy casinos love. To stupid to walk away with his new money. This is why I quite completely and haven't gone back.
As to donkeyfish.....yes they typically are.
My parents have done stocks for years and are very good stewards of their money, supporting dozens of christian orginizations. They won't tell you that though.

However I have had people here who are against all sorts of gambling tell me that any stock is a sin. I think they must have no money in banks at all though because banks invest your money. Money doesn't just grow by sitting. Somehow it is being invested in something that can potentially lose out.
 
I gambled last year and won quite a bit of money...I also lost all that money. I'm the guy casinos love. To stupid to walk away with his new money. This is why I quite completely and haven't gone back.
As to donkeyfish.....yes they typically are.
My parents have done stocks for years and are very good stewards of their money, supporting dozens of christian orginizations. They won't tell you that though.

However I have had people here who are against all sorts of gambling tell me that any stock is a sin. I think they must have no money in banks at all though because banks invest your money. Money doesn't just grow by sitting. Somehow it is being invested in something that can potentially lose out.

That's exactly why I'm conflicted about the whole thing. I can't really say gambling in general is sinful (of course this is purely personal opinion). I know a little bit of the math behind such things. There was a professor named J.L. Kelly that proved even if you have a situation where it's a 100% fact that you will win 55% of your "investments" or bets, there is an optimal size you should be putting at risk at any time (it's a percentage based on your probability of winning, or success rate). If you put all of your money into one stock, or one bet at the black jack table.....it doesn't matter if somehow you magically have a 99% rate of success......eventually you will lose everything.

Money management and "bet" management is the only way to grow money when you are putting money into an uncertain outcome. The math applies to many things people do not generally label as gambling.
 
I've always wondered if the people who vehemently oppose gambling thought the same thing about being involved in the stock market? It's the same thing (unless you have inside information, which is usually illegal). Instead of saying your "making a bet", instead your "investing" or taking a "calculated risk", means the same thing basically.


Investing in stock and gambling at slots/lotto tickets/horse races is not the same thing, though I would probably place all of those things along a spectrum. Buying stock is actually buying ownership in a company, you're financing a business's operations, though there is no guarantee on principal, people typically do it with the expectation of return on their principal or creating an income stream. Financially, it's no different then buying ownership interests in a local food truck, or apartment building, or a cupcake franchise. If people weren't willing to invest in other people's business or ideas, a lot of businesses wouldn't be able to take off or grow.

To be fair, there are absolutely people who utilize stock trading to gamble irresponsibly. And while the bible doesn't explicitly say "do not buy lotto tickets weekly" I don't see it (to borrow a phrase from DJness) as good stewardship of your assets.

DJ is spot on - your money doesn't grow by sitting in a bank. Banks take deposits, loan them out, pay depositors (in this environment, a minimal amount) interest and make money off the credit spread. The purchasing power of your savings and checkings erodes 2-3% a year -- for a lot of people, it makes total sense to put some their savings towards investments for longer term goals. Doesn't mean anyone should run out and stick everything in an obscure Brazilian oil penny stock -- if you talk to a lot of elderly people they used to buy shares of railroads, phone companies, and utility companies little by little - because those things paid out regular dividends and for the most part weren't going anywhere. Or for folks who didn't feel like they had enough to buy stocks, they kept acquiring shares of mutual funds so they could buy a little bit of everything and be diversified - there are a ton of funds still in existence from the 1940s. Another thing that seems to be pretty popular around Christmas - elderly folks who gift shares of Disney stock to their grandchildren -- mostly because they get a really pretty certificate, but it makes more sense than just handing them a hundred dollar bill that won't grow to anything in 5, 10, 18 years. There are some people don't want anything to do with any kind of stocks, and put their savings instead into buying local revenue bonds, flipping homes, or renting out properties for extra income - all still considered investing, all with their own risks.
A lot of young people do themselves a total disservice by not thinking about those things, because losing the value of your money in a bank account is a real thing. It really happens. Rent goes up, produce prices go up, hopefully your income goes up, but it seems wiser to plan and accommodate for those things where its possible, than doing nothing at all or leaving it up to random lotto numbers.
 
I used to gamble quite a bit, betting on sports, spending 40-50 $s a month on lotto. had quit about half of it when I came back to Christ and now buy a scratch off ticket here and there. i got tired of of losing $$. so no, buying a ticket, betting lunch on a ballgame things like that not a sin or a big deal. but, like anything else, becoming addicted to it and making an idol of it is wrong.
 
I watched a documentary about a group of guys who knew how to count cards, they started a business and the business was that they went to casinos and won enough money to support them and their family, the money would be pooled into the business and distributed amongst themselves for a month, then they would go back and repeat. Funnily enough, these guys were church goers.
I was shocked at first, but then I thought about it, I think there was more to their business model than what I just explained but they had a systematic process, sometimes they would lose but most of the time they won because of their skill of card counting, which isn't illegal but casinos hate and they also knew when to stop when they know they had enough for everyone and their family for that month. I thought it was actually pretty smart.
 
Investing in stock and gambling at slots/lotto tickets/horse races is not the same thing, though I would probably place all of those things along a spectrum.

Less than 1% of people that buy stocks actually do so because they want ownership in a company. They just buy the stock in hopes the price will go up and make a profit (or short it and hope the price goes down). Same reason people buy lottery tickets, they buy one in hopes that it will make a profit. Sure stocks are not the same thing as playing lottery tickets. But playing lottery tickets and horse races are completely different things in and of themselves as well. It's all gambling. You don't know the outcome and can't control the outcome. Financially successful people at both stocks and gambling just choose situations that have a higher probability of winning than losing, and they never put too much of their capital at risk on any one situation.

A successful stock picker looks at the fundamentals of a company and may decide to buy if he thinks it's undervalued and buy an amount of stock appropriate to his analysis, because it's more probable to go up than down. A card counter places a bet because he knows the probability of the bet winning is greater than the probability of the bet loosing, this can be calculated based on cards that have already played. They are doing the same exact thing, just using a different medium.

Foolish gamblers when it comes to stocks don't research the company, they just buy and sell on impulse with no plan. Foolish gamblers when it comes to what we would consider traditonal gambling do not consider the odds of what game they play or what games have better odds, they just bet on impulse with no plan.
 
this thread is 'normal. i.e. worldly. not too surprising because there is so little sound teaching. anywhere.

it is a surprise that there is sound teaching anywhere, these days. or, rather, anyone 'learning' , as in the Bible it is written that

there will be a famine. not a famine of the Word. not necessarily a famine of sound teaching. as if there's none.

but a famine of the hearing of the Word. ... the Word is all around the world. a few find sound teaching / training. a few hear.

i don't know why.

just that it is written.
 
this thread is 'normal. i.e. worldly. not too surprising because there is so little sound teaching. anywhere.

it is a surprise that there is sound teaching anywhere, these days. or, rather, anyone 'learning' , as in the Bible it is written that

there will be a famine. not a famine of the Word. not necessarily a famine of sound teaching. as if there's none.

but a famine of the hearing of the Word. ... the Word is all around the world. a few find sound teaching / training. a few hear.

i don't know why.

just that it is written.

Sooo, that's your opinion on gambling? Or your opinion on others opinion on gambling?
 
I can't say that gambling is a sin. I gambled several times. And I buy lotto tickets from time to time. I think gambling can be called a sin only if a person becomes addicted, because Bible warns us against money addiction and calls not to aim for a rags-to-riches story.
 
Hanna, I see that you're a newbie, so next time I suggest that you check the date of the last post, before posting. Otherwise you'll revive zombie threads like this almost 3-year old thread. :/