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That's the point of the gospel of Jesus Christ. To save that which is lost and begin sanctifying it in preparation for perfectedness in glory.
Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification.
Rather than simply skipping over my informative posts to continue making false assertions, you should take the time to read them and then consider what's being communicated to you.
As Paul writes in Ephesians; if they are a genuine Christian, ultimately Christ is going to present you to God "without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless."
The only straw man in this discussion are the ones you're constructing. And, you've made a lot of them so far in this thread. Fortunately, I'm here to deconstruct, refute, and discard them for you. It's a favor though you're not mature or wise enough yet to discern it.
And I'm going to ignore your juvenility for now as it's but a manifestation of an immature ego. Peace
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Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification.
Rather than simply skipping over my informative posts to continue making false assertions, you should take the time to read them and then consider what's being communicated to you.
As Paul writes in Ephesians; if they are a genuine Christian, ultimately Christ is going to present you to God "without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless."
The only straw man in this discussion are the ones you're constructing. And, you've made a lot of them so far in this thread. Fortunately, I'm here to deconstruct, refute, and discard them for you. It's a favor though you're not mature or wise enough yet to discern it.
And I'm going to ignore your juvenility for now as it's but a manifestation of an immature ego. Peace
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A really good point but one that the "new tolerants," as Josh McDowell calls them, fail to acknowledge for to do so would hinder them politically.
What Did Jesus Mean by "Judge Not"? | PARSE
What Did Jesus Mean by "Judge Not"? | PARSE
You mistake me. Never said that we should accept homosexuality. The same as why as Christians we should not accept any form of sexual or deranged mental illness. Remember, we reject our sin nature as that...a sin nature. So, yes I do believe homosexuals are born homosexuals. That does not mean that their desires are acceptable to God or to His children.
Realize I am saying this as someone with this specific affliction. My desires are misdirected, corrupt, and impure. They are bluntly, abominable. I pray constantly for God's strength to reject my sin nature and to be released of it. He has not done so. Either because this is a thorn that He allows because it draws me to Him for strength, or because it is a thorn that does not allow my ego to grow beyond its measure. I don't know. Also, possible He could be waiting for an appointed time.
Never the less, I was born with a fallen nature, which includes a fallen psyche and fallen flesh. This does not acquit me nor does it make my desires acceptable, but instead makes them desires to be resisted and handed over to God.
Realize I am saying this as someone with this specific affliction. My desires are misdirected, corrupt, and impure. They are bluntly, abominable. I pray constantly for God's strength to reject my sin nature and to be released of it. He has not done so. Either because this is a thorn that He allows because it draws me to Him for strength, or because it is a thorn that does not allow my ego to grow beyond its measure. I don't know. Also, possible He could be waiting for an appointed time.
Never the less, I was born with a fallen nature, which includes a fallen psyche and fallen flesh. This does not acquit me nor does it make my desires acceptable, but instead makes them desires to be resisted and handed over to God.
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I understand your Romans 3:23 point ThomistColin but it may be esoteric to some in the way you're applying it here as the assertion was that some people are born biologically homosexual as an act of Darwinian evolution.
That's what we're disagreeing with not that everyone's born with a sin nature. You're right that we're all born with a sin nature. That is correct.
That's what we're disagreeing with not that everyone's born with a sin nature. You're right that we're all born with a sin nature. That is correct.
