Gay Marriage?

[FrankensteinGirls]

FSUBoy I work with a Muslim man who is not at all hateful.. That comment doesn't help anyone take things seriously.

 

[Crossfire]

This has absolutely nothing to do with hating anyone. It's about understanding both the character and will of God. If we are truly saved then nothing is more important.

I need you to understand, true Christianity is not just some religion. It's not a set of beliefs we must uphold or a set of rules we need to live by. It's about getting to actually know and operate in the presence of the Creator of all things. His presence is not only real, He is also tangible and does indeed have a voice.

For those who have truly laid down their own selfish ambitions and worldly desires in pursuit of knowing Him, there is a whole new life ahead.

The reason why God doesn't like homosexuality is because it goes against the very reason He created a man and a woman. Of course that does not mean that He hates homosexuals and as christians neither should we. Just because a person is gay and has been gay for a number of years doesn't mean they were born that way or have to stay that way. I know several people personally, who were gay but God has transformed their lives and now they say they aren't even tempted by homosexual thoughts. If they were really born that way then how is that they were healed from it?

If it were your heart's greatest desire to truly know God then we wouldn't have to ever have conversations like these.

 

[Grandpa]

I think you're missing the point here. Just because SOME Christian groups believe same sex marriage should be illegal doesn't mean that makes it right. You're violating their Pursuit of Happiness. And many religions allow such unions, so you're violating THEIR rights to perform such ceremonies. You can't just ban everything that offends you. If we did that, we'd live in a theocracy, NOT a republic/democracy. If you don't like same sex marriage... don't get same sex married. My fraternity brother is getting married to his long time boy friend and this summer and my girlfriend and I are his best man and maid of honor. Call me evil, sinful, whatever, but love is love. And clearly none of you are being loving people or good Americans (this only applies to the Americans in the discussion.) If you try to ban something b/c it offends you, you're nothing more than a freakin' commie who wants to invade people's lives and tell them how to live.

Congratulations on being down there with Muslims on how hateful you are.

Violating their pursuit of happiness, LOL. Not everyone's pursuit of happiness is moral is it?

Forcing a morality on society is what gay marriage does. Marriage has always since the beginning of time been defined as between one man and one woman. Now this society would like to re-define marriage as between any two people including same sex. Why? So the immorality of same sex relationships will not be questioned by generations to come. Which it looks like is already here.

You say it is me that is hateful. I am not forcing my morality on you. Gay marriage is an attempt to force immorality on society. I wouldn't care in the least bit if gay people had civil unions. But to attempt to call something good when God is obviously telling us it is not, aint right. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Always has been. If you don't like it, then don't do it. There is your freedom.

Loving people and Good Americans will always stand up and let you know when you are messing up. Gay marriage is one giant step into messing up.

 

[Grandpa]

Allowing same sex marriage isn't forcing immorality on anyone, it's allowing individuals to get married, if you are not gay and/or do not wish to enter a same sex relationship no on is going to force you to do it.


It's not hate speech to respectively voice difference of opinions.

this bolded bit i disagree with, what is right for one person may not be right for another.


Also I do have a problem with same sex individuals only being allowed civil unions, unless they get the same tax benefits as everyone else, as of now even though same sex partners can marry/have civil unions they can't file their taxes as married couples.

It is an attempt at forcing immorality on everyone. It is saying that our culture has decided that this is ok and is moral and lawful.

1 Corinthians 6:12-14
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

 

[Canadian36]

Gay marriage. That's so gay! lol ;-p

 

[Crossfire]

I am not forcing my morality on you. Gay marriage is an attempt to force immorality on society. I wouldn't care in the least bit if gay people had civil unions. But to attempt to call something good when God is obviously telling us it is not, aint right.

You hit the nail on the head Grandpa.

 

[pickles]

One of the common statements ive seen is where one says points to those that live the belief that gay marraige being wrong is forcing their rules on others.
First and formost, the wrong of a gay marriage is not our rule, but God's will and judgement.
As christians we are called to live these laws as given by God.
So if one disagrees, the one you need to bring the disagreement to is God.
Now this does not mean the gay person is hated, if anything, one feels great compassion for the trials that the gay person faces.
But as christians, to give aproval to a wrong, is to condemn, and we cannot give approval to an act that could cost another thier salvation.
This stands true in any sin that would cost one their salvation.
The world will make it's own laws and one can live in the world and seek aproval there.
But for those that live in Jesus, we are called to no longer live in the world, but to live in Jesus, and to witness to this always.
The thing is, it is because of the perfect love of Jesus that we will not aprove, because this love we have in Jesus for all, desires all to know the salvation and perfect love of Jesus.

God bless
pickles

 

[Fidelis]

Matthew 5:32

King James Version (KJV)

32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

According to this verse in the New Testament, marrying a woman who is divorced is also committing adultery: a sin. But somehow almost all christians think that is okay, but have enormous problems with same-sex marriage. It is so terribly hypocrit to just pick verses which you take literally and pick other verses, which you don't like or agree with, and just say: well, that shouldn't be taken literally.

 

[jimmydiggs]

According to this verse in the New Testament, marrying a woman who is divorced is also committing adultery: a sin. But somehow almost all christians think that is okay, but have enormous problems with same-sex marriage. It is so terribly hypocrit to just pick verses which you take literally and pick other verses, which you don't like or agree with, and just say: well, that shouldn't be taken literally.

There are many who do believe there is nothing wrong with divorce and remarriage ever, and it is quite sad.

 

[Rogo]

I completely support marriage equality, however I have no problem with religious figures being able to decide they do not want to participate in the marriage ceremony.

This. I'm a strong supporter of the separation of church and state. Since I don't want any religious faction interfering with my government, then I don't want my government interfering with any religious faction. It wouldn't be fair for the government to force a religious institution to perform a ceremony that it does not want to do.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Hi all,

This is a really hot topic here in the UK at the moment. The current Prime Minister (and church-going Christian) David Cameron is proposing changing the law to allow same-sex marriage.

For those that don't know, the current UK law is that same-sex couples can only enter into 'civil partnerships', rather than full marriage.

In response, many important clergymen across the UK (inlcuding the Archbishop of York) have argued against the proposed change in the law, saying that same-sex couples should NOT be allowed to marry.

My own personal view is that same-sex couples SHOULD be allowed the same rights as heterosexual couples, and be allowed to marry.

I think that, even though Christians (generally) believe that homosexuality is a sin, that does not mean we should be forcing everybody else to abide by our own rules.

For example, we all agree that worshipping other gods is a sin, and yet no-one bats an eyelid when Muslims get married, or Jews, or Sikhs, or atheists.

So if these other, non-Christian 'sinners' are allowed to marry, then why not same-sex couples?

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that the church be forced into allowing same-sex marriages occur in church property - I still think the church should be allowed to pick and choose who gets married within Christian churches.

But if same-sex couples want to get married in a registry office or some other building, then legally I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do so.

Are the church out of date? Should the church have the right to interfere in matters of state?

Or are they the last bastion of morality in an increasingly immoral society?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

K x

i don't think people understand all the ramifications this one law will open up, its a dam breaker to be sure

 

[RiverWalker]

Gays can marry just like anyone else

Find a godly mate of the opposite sex and commit to them in holy matrimony for life

Marriage is the lifetime joining of a man and a woman, that is the ONLY definition.

What they want is to justiify their sinful lifestyle by attaching it to something holy

And that just won't do

 

[Rogo]

I don't quite understand how it's sinful, though...

 

[AfterGodsheart]

hmm....well, that's the thing with sin though....we never see how that is sinful...we never see how really wrong that one sin is and we try to convince ourselves of a way round it... I'm just saying in general

 

[jack4022]

Because I'm EXTREMELY BIASED on the issue I'll refrain from saying anything about it, however, if anyone is interested in knowing the truths and myths surrounding the LGBT community feel free to message me ,because I feel that most (not all) christian people dont really have a clue what theyre talking about when it comes to queer issues.

 

[Grandpa]

I don't quite understand how it's sinful, though...

God says in His Word that it is an abomination for a man to be with another man.

I guess the answer is because God says so.

 

[Grandpa]

Because I'm EXTREMELY BIASED on the issue I'll refrain from saying anything about it, however, if anyone is interested in knowing the truths and myths surrounding the LGBT community feel free to message me ,because I feel that most (not all) christian people dont really have a clue what theyre talking about when it comes to queer issues.

I'm extremely biased on this issue also.

It is really cut and dried, black and white as far "queer issues" go. The Lord says it is wrong, and therefore it is wrong.

But you know what? We have all done things wrong in God's eyes. God doesn't see this wrong as any worse than any other wrong. The Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins as well as mine. The Lord can change your heart if you want Him to. He changed mine.

 

[Rogo]

The Bible also notes that eating shellfish (see Leviticus 11) and working on the Sabbath is an abomination (see Exodus 31... which actually calls for the person to be put to death).

It also mentions stoning adulterers (see Deuteronomy 22) as well as condoning slavery (see Leviticus 25 and Exodus 21). We choose to ignore these aspects of the Bible, so why not ignore the parts about homosexuality?

I also don't believe Jesus Himself ever said anything on the topic of homosexuality.... (I could be wrong, though)

 

[Ugly]

This. I'm a strong supporter of the separation of church and state. Since I don't want any religious faction interfering with my government, then I don't want my government interfering with any religious faction. It wouldn't be fair for the government to force a religious institution to perform a ceremony that it does not want to do.

'Separation of church and state' is not constitutional. The phrase was coined by Jefferson years AFTER the Constitution was written. It was written in a personal letter, not a law, so it was merely his opinion being stated. And, in context, he meant to keep the State out of the church, not vice versa.

 

[Rogo]

'Separation of church and state' is not constitutional. The phrase was coined by Jefferson years AFTER the Constitution was written. It was written in a personal letter, not a law, so it was merely his opinion being stated. And, in context, he meant to keep the State out of the church, not vice versa.

Well of course... Most know that it's not technically constitutional (as far as physically existing within the Constitution)... it's merely a philosophy and (to some... myself included) an interpretation of the 1st Amendment (specifically the Establishment Clause). And you are incorrect about it not working both ways. The original intent behind forming the concept was to, yes, prevent the government from interfering with religious affairs. But it then developed to where it both upheld that idea as well as calling for the inability of the government to directly support any specific religion.

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

It seems to me he was supporting the idea of the government and relgion being two completely separate entities that do not (directly) interfere with one another.