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RachelBibleStudent
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i love when conspiracy theorists talk about following international law...
tell me more about how everyone should follow laws supposedly dictated by an international conspiracy of evil people...
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i love when conspiracy theorists talk about following international law...
tell me more about how everyone should follow laws supposedly dictated by an international conspiracy of evil people...
You are on fire today.
This world is not perfect. For me nations united together forming decision is better than people doing their own thing. It is far from perfect but it is the best we have at the moment. Need to get rid of the VETO power and include more nations.
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LoveAnna
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LoveAnna
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I can't believe how many people on a Christian Chat are against Israel. You do know that God told Abraham that those who bless you I will bless and those who curse you I will curse, don't you?
yes, but the Bible also says that if you spank your child it is ablessing, and if you don't, you are cursing the child to being spoiled. The UN is cursing Israel by spoiling Israel when they need a good nation-version of a spanking
God gave the land to the true believers. If the true believers go off on their own path God removes them and puts in an occupying force. That is what is happening now. No one deserves it so the people who call themselves Israelis now occupy it. We can see from the human rights violations they perform while holding it. They are only occupying it.
hmmm....
At CUFI's 4th annual convention, CUFI Florida state director Scott Thomas, who is senior pastor at Without Walls Central in Lakeland, Florida, states that CUFI's support of Israel is not related to Christian eschatology (one of the features of dispensationalism, which holds that the modern state of Israel has a central role in bringing about the second coming of Jesus Christ) since Christians believe that there is nothing they can do to speed up that process.
Thomas also cited Chapter 12 of Book of Genesis, which states that God will bless those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews, and said that his Christian faith couldn't exist without the foundation of Judaism.[12]
Christians United for Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
nope - Mr. Thomas made a mistake. that's not what Genesis 12:3 says at all.
let's see if Genesis 12:3 was fulfilled.
A GREAT NATION:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Deuteronomy 1:10
'The LORD your God has multiplied you, and behold, you are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Deuteronomy 10:22
"Your fathers went down to Egypt seventy persons in all, and now the Lord has made you as numerous as the stars of heaven.
Genesis 46:3
And He said, "I am God, the God of your father; do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you a great nation there.
Hebrews 11:11-12
since she considered Him faithful who had promised; therefore, also, there was born of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants as the stars of heaven in number, and innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.
Yep. God made Abraham's descendants a great nation in Egypt: as numerous as the stars of heaven.
LAND:
Deuteronomy 19:7-9
"Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside three cities for yourself.' "If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers— if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three."
6 cities - If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers.
Joshua 20
The Cities of Refuge
1Then the LORD said to Joshua, 2“Say to the people of Israel, ‘Appoint the cities of refuge, of which I spoke to you through Moses, 3that the manslayer who strikes any person without intent or unknowingly may flee there. They shall be for you a refuge from the avenger of blood. 4He shall flee to one of these cities and shall stand at the entrance of the gate of the city and explain his case to the elders of that city. Then they shall take him into the city and give him a place, and he shall remain with them. 5And if the avenger of blood pursues him, they shall not give up the manslayer into his hand, because he struck his neighbor unknowingly, and did not hate him in the past. 6And he shall remain in that city until he has stood before the congregation for judgment, until the death of him who is high priest at the time. Then the manslayer may return to his own town and his own home, to the town from which he fled.’”
7So they set apart Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali, and Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah. 8And beyond the Jordan east of Jericho, they appointed Bezer in the wilderness on the tableland, from the tribe of Reuben, and Ramoth in Gilead, from the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Bashan, from the tribe of Manasseh. 9These were the cities designated for all the people of Israel and for the stranger sojourning among them, that anyone who killed a person without intent could flee there, so that he might not die by the hand of the avenger of blood, till he stood before the congregation.
1- Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali
2 - Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim
3 - Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah.
4 - Bezer in the wilderness on the tableland, from the tribe of Reuben
5 - Ramoth in Gilead, from the tribe of Gad
6 - Golan in Bashan, from the tribe of Manasseh.
fulfilled?:
If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers.
Joshua 21
43Thus the LORD gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44And the LORD gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the LORD had given all their enemies into their hands. 45Not one word of all the good promises that the LORD had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.
yes, Amen. Fulfilled, just as He Promised.
Jeremiah 11
The Broken Covenant
4which I commanded your forefathers in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, 'Listen to My voice, and do according to all which I command you; so you shall be My people, and I will be your God,' 5in order to confirm the oath which I swore to your forefathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day."'
LAND PROMISE SPIRITUALLY FULFILLED (Inheritance) AS WELL - which was the point (the natural first, then the spiritual) Abraham understood this:
Hebrews 11:8-19
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance... he lived as an alien in the land of promise... he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Romans 4:13-14
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified
Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Galatians 4:23-28
This is allegorically speaking: for these women are two covenants, one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother
Ephesians 1:10-14
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance; the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession
ABRAHAM BLESSED; HIS NAME GREAT - HE WOULD BE A BLESSING - IN HIM (was Christ, through Whom) ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH WOULD BE BLESSED:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8-9
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you." So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
Acts 3:25-26
It is you who are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, `And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. For you first, God raised up His Servant, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one (of you) from your wicked ways.
Acts 13:32-33,38
we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus...that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you
Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Galatians 3:29
if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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Galatians 3:29
if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
- is anyone who does not belong to Christ considered Abraham's offspring
- is anyone who does not belong to Christ an heir according to promise
did God keep all His promises
God was speaking to Abraham not Israel concerning the blessing and the curse. We should not curse Abraham.
God was speaking to Baalam, and Abraham was dead. God specifically said the nation of Israel.
“But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel” (Romans 9:6)
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jimmydiggs
Guest
Love, they know it. They have contrived all kinds of satanic doctrines to deceive themselves and twist Scripture to fit their anti-semetic ends. As this piece says, imagine if Netanyahu's relative needed aid from a Palestinian in Gaza!
[video]http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/18/evil-jooooos-israeli-hospital-treats-hamas-leaders-granddaughter/[/video]
hmmm....
At CUFI's 4th annual convention, CUFI Florida state director Scott Thomas, who is senior pastor at Without Walls Central in Lakeland, Florida, states that CUFI's support of Israel is not related to Christian eschatology (one of the features of dispensationalism, which holds that the modern state of Israel has a central role in bringing about the second coming of Jesus Christ) since Christians believe that there is nothing they can do to speed up that process.
Thomas also cited Chapter 12 of Book of Genesis, which states that God will bless those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews, and said that his Christian faith couldn't exist without the foundation of Judaism.[12]
Christians United for Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.....
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
nope - Mr. Thomas made a mistake. that's not what Genesis 12:3 says at all.
let's see if Genesis 12:3 was fulfilled.
A GREAT NATION:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Deuteronomy 1:10
'The LORD your God has multiplied you, and behold, you are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Deuteronomy 10:22
"Your fathers went down to Egypt seventy persons in all, and now the Lord has made you as numerous as the stars of heaven.
Genesis 46:3
And He said, "I am God, the God of your father; do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you a great nation there.
Hebrews 11:11-12
since she considered Him faithful who had promised; therefore, also, there was born of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants as the stars of heaven in number, and innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.
Yep. God made Abraham's descendants a great nation in Egypt: as numerous as the stars of heaven.
LAND:
Deuteronomy 19:7-9
"Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside three cities for yourself.' "If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers— if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three."
6 cities - If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers.
Joshua 20
The Cities of Refuge
1Then the LORD said to Joshua, 2“Say to the people of Israel, ‘Appoint the cities of refuge, of which I spoke to you through Moses, 3that the manslayer who strikes any person without intent or unknowingly may flee there. They shall be for you a refuge from the avenger of blood. 4He shall flee to one of these cities and shall stand at the entrance of the gate of the city and explain his case to the elders of that city. Then they shall take him into the city and give him a place, and he shall remain with them. 5And if the avenger of blood pursues him, they shall not give up the manslayer into his hand, because he struck his neighbor unknowingly, and did not hate him in the past. 6And he shall remain in that city until he has stood before the congregation for judgment, until the death of him who is high priest at the time. Then the manslayer may return to his own town and his own home, to the town from which he fled.’”
7So they set apart Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali, and Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah. 8And beyond the Jordan east of Jericho, they appointed Bezer in the wilderness on the tableland, from the tribe of Reuben, and Ramoth in Gilead, from the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Bashan, from the tribe of Manasseh. 9These were the cities designated for all the people of Israel and for the stranger sojourning among them, that anyone who killed a person without intent could flee there, so that he might not die by the hand of the avenger of blood, till he stood before the congregation.
1- Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali
2 - Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim
3 - Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah.
4 - Bezer in the wilderness on the tableland, from the tribe of Reuben
5 - Ramoth in Gilead, from the tribe of Gad
6 - Golan in Bashan, from the tribe of Manasseh.
fulfilled?:
If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers.
Joshua 21
43Thus the LORD gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44And the LORD gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the LORD had given all their enemies into their hands. 45Not one word of all the good promises that the LORD had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.
yes, Amen. Fulfilled, just as He Promised.
Jeremiah 11
The Broken Covenant
4which I commanded your forefathers in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, 'Listen to My voice, and do according to all which I command you; so you shall be My people, and I will be your God,' 5in order to confirm the oath which I swore to your forefathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day."'
LAND PROMISE SPIRITUALLY FULFILLED (Inheritance) AS WELL - which was the point (the natural first, then the spiritual) Abraham understood this:
Hebrews 11:8-19
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance... he lived as an alien in the land of promise... he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Romans 4:13-14
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified
Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Galatians 4:23-28
This is allegorically speaking: for these women are two covenants, one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother
Ephesians 1:10-14
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance; the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession
ABRAHAM BLESSED; HIS NAME GREAT - HE WOULD BE A BLESSING - IN HIM (was Christ, through Whom) ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH WOULD BE BLESSED:
Genesis 12
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8-9
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you." So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
Acts 3:25-26
It is you who are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, `And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. For you first, God raised up His Servant, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one (of you) from your wicked ways.
Acts 13:32-33,38
we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus...that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you
Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Galatians 3:29
if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
.....
Galatians 3:29
if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
- is anyone who does not belong to Christ considered Abraham's offspring
- is anyone who does not belong to Christ an heir according to promise
did God keep all His promises
are you remotely capable of addressing the issue from a Biblical worldview?
or is it just politics for you?
when you promote one nation of unregenerate people (hostile to Christ and Christians) over another unregenerate group (hostile to Christ and Christians), do you do so on Biblical ground? or just political?
do you believe Christians have a mandate to team up with either group (both enemies of the Cross)?
show me that.
Umm... I'm thinking posting virtually the entire Bible to support your Antisemitism must violate some copyright law.
i'm thinking this is hidden to you:
Galatians 3:29
if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
it's self-evident.
I feel a another shill tactic coming on. Does not necessarily make you a shill.
Does the anti bit only work for Jewish people. Can I say you are anti Palestinian or anti Muslim ?
Please do not confuse attacks on a political party with attacks on a people.
Are these people antisemitic ?
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