If she's left wing it's because she thinks left wing political philosophy makes more sense than right wing political philosophy. It's her decision to make and there's nothing silly about that. She's making more logical sense than you are right now. You love to misframe what other people say to make them look misinformed, ignorant, or plain wicked. This girl is clearly neither of those three things. I can see that, she can see that, and perhaps most shamefully, you can see that, but you'd like to paint her in an ugly light.
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If she's left wing it's because she thinks left wing political philosophy makes more sense than right wing political philosophy. It's her decision to make and there's nothing silly about that. She's making more logical sense than you are right now. You love to misframe what other people say to make them look misinformed, ignorant, or plain wicked. This girl is clearly neither of those three things. I can see that, she can see that, and perhaps most shamefully, you can see that, but you'd like to paint her in an ugly light.
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Rape and sex slavery are fully condoned in Islam as long as the behaviors are conducted within the religious epistemology.
"Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle. He had sex with his slaves. And he instructed his men to do the same [even if these women were married and their husbands still alive]." -TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Does Islam Condone Slavery & Sex Slavery?
This practice of raping war captives was practiced by Islam’s very own prophet Muhammad, in his life. He had many wives and concubines and was known to give the non-Muslim Christian booty away to his men as gifts when he was finished with them. See: Myth: Muhammad Would Never Approve of Rape
The Qur'an permits pedophilia. Qur'anic verse 65:4 allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated. See WikiIslam: Islam and Pedophilia - WikiIslam
Muslim immigrant male rape gangs are operating all over Europe, targeting females as young as nine (the age Muhammad married and had forced sex with a child named Aisha), and the perpetrators feel no shame or remorse for the simple fact they are not violating their religion.
"There is no equivalent term for ‘rape’ in the Qur'an. Likewise, there is not a single verse in the Qur'an which even remotely discourages forced sex. In contrast, there are several verses in this book which give the green light to rape and other sexual crimes against women [excluding pious Muslim females]." -Wikipedia
"Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle. He had sex with his slaves. And he instructed his men to do the same [even if these women were married and their husbands still alive]." -TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Does Islam Condone Slavery & Sex Slavery?
This practice of raping war captives was practiced by Islam’s very own prophet Muhammad, in his life. He had many wives and concubines and was known to give the non-Muslim Christian booty away to his men as gifts when he was finished with them. See: Myth: Muhammad Would Never Approve of Rape
The Qur'an permits pedophilia. Qur'anic verse 65:4 allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated. See WikiIslam: Islam and Pedophilia - WikiIslam
Muslim immigrant male rape gangs are operating all over Europe, targeting females as young as nine (the age Muhammad married and had forced sex with a child named Aisha), and the perpetrators feel no shame or remorse for the simple fact they are not violating their religion.
"There is no equivalent term for ‘rape’ in the Qur'an. Likewise, there is not a single verse in the Qur'an which even remotely discourages forced sex. In contrast, there are several verses in this book which give the green light to rape and other sexual crimes against women [excluding pious Muslim females]." -Wikipedia
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Yes everybody knows this is true...yet we have folks who rail against rape and womens rights who would turn our society over to these monsters. Its insanity
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Mitspa
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Just showing her how she contradicts what she says she cares about... clearly if these people are allowed in to these nations, many women will be raped and a society will be greatly harmed by these people who see women as nothing more than an object for their own lust and desires for control.
I do empathise with the refugees.... i dont care what religion they are.... i think itd be miserable to be in their position. ... Mitspa please dont ever link me to a sympathetic view of rape by anyone... youve read enough of what I write to know my view and im sure you also know i was severely bashed n raped at age 12 so I cant imagine what you think your doing when you imply such things.
So...im sympathetic about the plight of displaced persons... im not sympathetic to any criminal act by anyone.
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Mitspa
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When the issue of rape was brought up as it relates to these people and the muslim culture...you tried to excuse it Zoii...that's the point I was making to you. If you really care about women, you would not be so quick to support this insanity and allow these sort of people into a society unless you knew what sort of people they really are.
Dont ever link me to an opinion that supports rape. Doing so only shows you in a poor light to ever say to a recovering rape victim that they support rapists .... time for u to be more civil now Mitspa n concede you may have overstepped. Im going to say no more on this but im hoping you will do the right thing by me
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AgeofKnowledge
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The ultimate end is civilization replacement but, in this case, the replacement civilization is a regressive step backwards firmly entrenched in an immoral false theocratic totalitarian religious system and culture. Of course, historically chaos and upheaval precede replacement.
It's fascinating to think that this modern Western Civilization which began with the formation of the New Holy Roman Empire under Charlemagne, may end in a state of wanton sexual immorality, increasing violence, socio-economic decline (and eventual collapse?), and worldview regression brought about by the civilization's own post-Christian, relativistic, pluralistic, atheistic, liberal progressive "enlightened" inheritors. Let's hope Christ's second coming precedes that dark day.
Short term, these Islamic immigrant fueled social problems will increase dramatically in all countries engaging in the undesirable behavior and the positive results which would have been realized with the enactment of desirable alternatives completely foregone.
This present course of destructive codependence is not "shining" but the alternatives (e.g. diversifying and fixing the peoples, cultures, and nations) would have been. Would have... as in isn't.
It's fascinating to think that this modern Western Civilization which began with the formation of the New Holy Roman Empire under Charlemagne, may end in a state of wanton sexual immorality, increasing violence, socio-economic decline (and eventual collapse?), and worldview regression brought about by the civilization's own post-Christian, relativistic, pluralistic, atheistic, liberal progressive "enlightened" inheritors. Let's hope Christ's second coming precedes that dark day.
Short term, these Islamic immigrant fueled social problems will increase dramatically in all countries engaging in the undesirable behavior and the positive results which would have been realized with the enactment of desirable alternatives completely foregone.
This present course of destructive codependence is not "shining" but the alternatives (e.g. diversifying and fixing the peoples, cultures, and nations) would have been. Would have... as in isn't.
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I think you did in fact suggest that the rape issues that are documented against the muslims was overstated ..which appeared to me as an attempt to deflect from the issue of rape in favor of some idea of bringing these people into western society ... I believe its clear that if your concern for women is real, you would want these issues resolved and not excused away.
In post #23 I agreed with AOK - there is a link between raised refugee rates n rape in Sweden. For some reason you have chosen to ignore that and link me to supporting rape by muslims. That I have been very strong in my view of rape by anyone you ignore. That you target me , knowing I am a recent rape victim telling me I support/diminish muslim rapes is a position I thought few people in CC would dare stoop so low. That you are senior person here in CC and go to such a low position repeatedly with no qualms or expression of regret means I can no longer trust you as a person of integrity and any respect I once had for you has now completely evaporated.
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First I did not know you was a victim and as a western man and a defender of western culture, I cannot go along and say nothing when I see the insanity that is being promoted by the left and that would bring all of western society into a condition of decline, through the insanity of allowing more rapist into our society in the name of PC .. For your pain ..that I have compassion... your political ignorance I must resist .
I found it hard to respond to this. On the one hand I agree with AOK, in that the age of Muhammad was littered with stories of rape and slavery - but I might add so was the bible. Yet you can go to Amesty International's wesite for details of mistreatment of women within islamic countries. Rape and abuse of women is grossly under-reported and access to justice for women is extremely poor.
My mother is quite well known in her field and deals with a lot of domestic violence victims in Australia and she too cites how women from islamic backgrounds emmigrating to Australia frequently end up in very agressive/controlling situations.... So I accept the point being made...
But its just that this is an international crisis of displaced persons of a level not seen since WWII and its not just muslims. What do you suggest the world to do... turn their backs? This is a very difficult situation and governments are trying to work out what to do almost on the run because the scale of it is so massive. It is going to effect social cohesion and it is going to cause tensions - it already is. But this is a miserable humanitarian crisis and if we cant respond to desparate people, well what sort of christians and humans are we.
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AgeofKnowledge
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When Muslims engage in rape and other sinful behaviors up to and including murder/violent terrorism and the submission of the kafir and kafir societies to sharia; they are acting in accordance with Islamic epistemology as good Muslims. It is no accident these behaviors manifest exponentially as Muslims are imported en masse into western nations.
This contrasts with Christianity for when [professing] Christians engage in such acts, they are violating Christian epistemology and can expect punishment and loss of reward by God for such ungodly behaviors which violate God's own eternal moral law revealed in Christian epistemology. Furthermore, if one is actually a genuine Christian and not just someone professing to be, then they are also grieving the Holy Spirit inside them and their own conscience due to the new nature God fashioned after their spiritual rebirth (e.g. born again into a new creature in Christ).
Even scholarly attempts to equate the religious morality epistemology of Islam with the religious morality epistemology of Christianity as equitable are easy to refute as fallacious for the simple fact that they are not the same.
Christianity is the correct view of the world rooted in God's holiness and love which God imparted to humanity through general and special revelation while Islam is but another immoral violent false religious cult invented by an immoral violent angry young man who had retreated into a cave after being rejected by his tribe for leadership as a way to circumvent the social authorities that had rejected him and gain power and riches in the world anyway.
Now under the old covenant in the Old Testament, before the appearance of Christ who established a new covenant, we find described societies and individuals in states of moral collapse and rebellion against God so it's not surprising to discover records of horrific incidents of sexual violence by people; however, these people are violating God's holy moral law and often alienated from God when they engage in these acts.
Old Testament stories of rape are infrequent but vivid and include Dinah’s rape and the resulting sexual retaliation by her brothers, the abuse to death of the Levite’s concubine, and Amnon’s rape of his sister Tamar. In a similar vein are pictures in the prophetic books of the ravishing of wives and virgins as the aftermath of a nation’s being conquered. Again, these are instances of people violating God's holy eternal moral law when they engage in these acts.
If you want a chaotic society filled with anti-kafir rape and violence, then keep importing people who are deceived by the devil to believe that Allah will reward them for engaging in such acts and you'll get it. But please do not be so infantile as to falsely assert that Christianity teaches people to engage in such behaviors because the opposite is true noting strongly that God's spiritual rebirth is designed to extract their character and conscience from engaging in such behaviors.
This contrasts with Christianity for when [professing] Christians engage in such acts, they are violating Christian epistemology and can expect punishment and loss of reward by God for such ungodly behaviors which violate God's own eternal moral law revealed in Christian epistemology. Furthermore, if one is actually a genuine Christian and not just someone professing to be, then they are also grieving the Holy Spirit inside them and their own conscience due to the new nature God fashioned after their spiritual rebirth (e.g. born again into a new creature in Christ).
Even scholarly attempts to equate the religious morality epistemology of Islam with the religious morality epistemology of Christianity as equitable are easy to refute as fallacious for the simple fact that they are not the same.
Christianity is the correct view of the world rooted in God's holiness and love which God imparted to humanity through general and special revelation while Islam is but another immoral violent false religious cult invented by an immoral violent angry young man who had retreated into a cave after being rejected by his tribe for leadership as a way to circumvent the social authorities that had rejected him and gain power and riches in the world anyway.
Now under the old covenant in the Old Testament, before the appearance of Christ who established a new covenant, we find described societies and individuals in states of moral collapse and rebellion against God so it's not surprising to discover records of horrific incidents of sexual violence by people; however, these people are violating God's holy moral law and often alienated from God when they engage in these acts.
Old Testament stories of rape are infrequent but vivid and include Dinah’s rape and the resulting sexual retaliation by her brothers, the abuse to death of the Levite’s concubine, and Amnon’s rape of his sister Tamar. In a similar vein are pictures in the prophetic books of the ravishing of wives and virgins as the aftermath of a nation’s being conquered. Again, these are instances of people violating God's holy eternal moral law when they engage in these acts.
If you want a chaotic society filled with anti-kafir rape and violence, then keep importing people who are deceived by the devil to believe that Allah will reward them for engaging in such acts and you'll get it. But please do not be so infantile as to falsely assert that Christianity teaches people to engage in such behaviors because the opposite is true noting strongly that God's spiritual rebirth is designed to extract their character and conscience from engaging in such behaviors.
Peace be with you in JESUS Name. Go and check it yourself online or through the UN site and you will see and know how many refugees are in Cameroon. We have a lot of refugees here in Cameroon and we welcome them to live and stay here. I give GOD all the glory for using us to help this people in JESUS Name.
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These Muslim "refugees" (see Hijrah) are not happy in Islamic countries. Ironically, they seek their happiness in almost every country that is not Islamic. And who do they blame for their unhappiness? Not Islam, not their Muslim leaders, not their Muslim nations, and not themselves. They blame the countries in which they seek their happiness and work to change them to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy.
These Muslim "refugees" (see Hijrah) are not happy in Islamic countries. Ironically, they seek their happiness in almost every country that is not Islamic. And who do they blame for their unhappiness? Not Islam, not their Muslim leaders, not their Muslim nations, and not themselves. They blame the countries in which they seek their happiness and work to change them to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy.
First of all, their religion isn't what's making them unhappy, the violent war being waged on their streets is what is making them unhappy -- that's why they're leaving. Secondly, I'm quite sure that if they do lay blame at any feet, it'll be at those of ISIS, Assad's regime, and the Americans who have continually interfered in their country's affairs (air strikes, drone strikes, CIA involvement of the last 60 or so years). They're totally justified in doing so. It says a lot that most of this tripe you're spinning comes from American news sources and American republican speakers. People in Europe, for the most part, tell a different story. But then, you're a master at spinning things like this to make foreigners look like awful, malicious people. That you'd do such a thing in a situation where million of refugees, around half of whom are children, flee across Europe desperate for help, shows what a hateful little creature you are.
Thank goodness you live far, far away from Europe so that you have absolutely no say in these matters.
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Mitspa
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Of course their religion shapes their whole society and makes them want to kill everybody they meet that don't go along with that perverted prophet they claim.
Yes, because the millions of Muslims, Christians, and Alawites fleeing Syria, mostly to countries like Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, have clearly all gone out and murdered in the streets since they've arrived ... oh wait .. no .. they haven't.