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I stopped by Starbucks for a quick pick-me-up this evening. While I sat inside, a young Oriental girl approached. Apparently, she was seeking donations for some organization that raises funds to combat human trafficking─ at least, I think that's what her plea was about.

The thing was, the girl barely spoke English. She mostly relied on visual aids to do the talking for her, pointing at them for me so I could follow along─ or maybe so she could follow along (I'm not so sure either way). When I explained that I didn't have cash, she said she could accept credit cards. Short story short, I did not provide a credit card.

And so now, I'm wondering:

Do you shy away from unknown causes, or are you apt to give something to anyone that asks and simply hope it does some good?

How do you gauge the legitimacy of a perfect stranger's needs when approached for donations/fundraising?

Why am I asking this instead of exercising, like I told myself to do an hour ago?


EDIT: Though this isn't a Singles kind of topic, per se, I'm posting it here because... well because I like you all so much.
 
Though I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, I'm pretty stingy when it comes to people walking up asking for money; at least people that I can't verify. I'd be a liar if I said I've never given into the pressure to give, but mostly I see helping street beggars as doing more harm than good. At best you teach them that they can get what they want by begging, at worst what is meant to help ends up enabling someone's self destructive behavior (or maybe at worst you get the slumdog millionaire scenario where people are maimed and disabled to make them better beggars (and yes I have seen this is real life, though not in the US)).

Bottom line, since I don't know the truth about the stranger on the street, I prefer to do my giving through legitimate organizations that have some accountability and a track record. If all you are is the man on the street, I'm going to doubt your capability of using the money to the best possible effect, just because food pantries and other recognized organizations get huge discounts and stuff that can stretch the money farther.
 
The language barrier could itself be a front. By feigning poor english she might be avoiding a lot of awkward questions that would expose a scam.


It could also be to separate the gullible people from the streetwise. You know why those emails from nigerian princes are so poorly worded? Because they don't want to weed out the intelligent people from the suckers, so they deliberately make an email that ONLY the suckers will respond to. Saves them a lot of work.


Or it might be a legitimate fundraiser for a good cause and she might really have bad english. Never can tell.


As for the procrastination of working out, I go with what the Bible says: Bodily exercise profiteth little. :D
 
That sounds very fishy to me. I wouldn't give money unless she was cute, then maybe a dollar.... Yes, I'm easy :p
 
I'm not going to donate anything to an organization i know nothing about them. Usually i'll say NO and run away (sometimes they'll follow and try to persuade still)

If i'm going to donate i'll donate directly to people who need it as in homeless or through church

and a little bit out of topic, human trafficking is the worst!
lot of kids being kidnapped in my country lately.. some of them can be saved (i can see their confused face but relieved somehow) and hopefully no more victims :)
 
Regarding situations like that i wouldn't advise to give out any personal information like credit card information, cash is fine. If you are lead to donate to help her cause give freely. God notices & will bless your generosity towards others. Whether or not she is being truthful or deceptive God will judge her for.
 
and a little bit out of topic, human trafficking is the worst!
lot of kids being kidnapped in my country lately.. some of them can be saved (i can see their confused face but relieved somehow) and hopefully no more victims :)

A good American saying to teach to people who think about taking "work" overseas (which can just as easily be a front for trafficking). "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" ie, if it sounds unbelievably good, someone is probably lying to you.
 
Man oh man, Siberian... You could have read my mind. I had wanted to post a couple of threads about this very subject a few days ago but didn't have the time or gumption to do it, so thank you very much for posting this. :)

For those who don't like long posts, you might want to skip over this one...

Three days ago, I was approached by a man at a gas station asking me if I'd donate to his church's home for drug addicts. To tell you the honest truth, I hate being solicited while at public places, and I've almost always been approached by men, which automatically puts me on the defensive. To be honest, I was rather curt with him because, although he was polite, he was also very aggressive, seeing as he walked right up to my car.

I have sometimes reported solicitors and will often avoid places that are known to have them in their parking lots. One guy was even asking for money for his kid's soccer team, which I personally felt was really overdoing it.

Please note that I am NOT trying to say IN ANY WAY that all men are predators. But for me, it's usually been men who literally walk up to me while I'm at or in my car, so as a single woman who used to park a bit far away for the extra exercise (which helps with your 3rd question, Siberian! :)), I automatically go into "defense mode" when a strange man comes over to talk to me. Back when I was in college (and it was in a "good" town), a girl was kidnapped at gunpoint from the parking lot of a grocery store I used to go to every week (at 2 PM in the afternoon), and another was nearly kidnapped from the parking lot of a coffee shop my friends and I had gone to all the time... So, I try to be cautious.

If someone I don't know is approaching me in the middle of nowhere, I try to remind myself to grab my phone and keys, just in case. In the back of my head I'm thinking, "Dial 911 and start shouting your location if something goes wrong!"

For me personally, I would never hand over my credit card information, and like Cinder, I prefer to seek out and research causes I want to donate to instead. In fact, I prayed a long time ago that one of the ways God would help me discern who to give to was to lead me to people/organizations that AREN'T aggressively going after people for money in this way. If I'm in a big city and see beggars, I usually carry a little bit of extra cash specifically for that purpose BUT I always choose to donate to the ones who are sitting back quietly and NOT getting up in people's faces.

I do have one situation that I'll always remember though. I was sitting in my car towards the end of a Target parking lot on a gloomy, slightly brisk fall afternoon, and a young guy came out of nowhere and rapped on my window. He told me he was new to the area, had been walking for 3 days without anything to eat, and could I please help him get a hotel room? To be honest, I was totally thrown off guard (and frankly, a little bit scared) by his boldness, and while I tried to be polite, I adamantly turned him down and drove away. The whole time I was thinking to myself, "Why does he seem so familiar?"

Several months later, I found out why. This young man's obituary was in the local paper, and I realized he was someone who had worked at the same place I did a while back. He'd gone to the local high school, and, at the time, some of the girls I worked with told me he was trying to get them to sleep with him even though he had a baby on the way with another girl.

He had also been known to have a lot of problems with drugs, and though the paper didn't give a specific cause of death, everyone who knew him said it was from an overdose.

Even though this was probably 15 years ago, I still look back and think of that afternoon and wonder if there was something I could have done to help. But when I pray about it, to be honest, I don't think there's anything I could have done, and I'm pretty sure, if I would have given him anything, I would have only been contributing to his issues.

I realize others might have reacted differently, but God might have asked something different of them in that situation.

This is part of what helped me come to a better sense of peace over whom I should and should not give to. If warning bells are going off in my head the whole time, I go with my gut reaction and leave. But sometimes, God does tap me on the shoulder. (I know someone will probably say, "You should keep what you do for others between you and the Lord!!!", but the reason I share stories is because I'm hoping that it will help others relate, and also sort through what they may be going through, too.)

Last Thanksgiving I was driving home from work and saw a woman standing in an empty parking lot with a sign for help. Something in the back of my head told me to turn around and stop. I could have just given it to her from my window, but something told me to park the car several feet away and make the effort to walk over to her instead. I gave her what I felt God was telling me to give, along with a hug. She had tears in her eyes, and by the time I made it back to my car, I did, too.

I don't know if there's something else I should have done. But, I feel that at the time, I did what God was asking me to do. However, I'm always left with a the feeling of, "What more could/should I have done?", and I have yet to answer that question.
 
Velcome seoulsearch. Ve've been expecting you.

(Audio rendition en route to your phone.)
 
Velcome seoulsearch. Ve've been expecting you.

(Audio rendition en route to your phone.)

I'm sorry, Mr. Dracula.

I don't give donations to vampires.

But don't worry--I'm not totally heartless.

I already gave--at the blood bank. :)
 
Yeah, well... there are some threads I'm pretty sure you will chime in on. ^•^
 
Thanks for all of your responses. Yes, the scenario at Starbucks did seem dubious. Since she couldn't articulate her cause, I couldn't reason giving, let alone a credit card. If the girl was learning the language while genuinely trying to make a difference, then kudos to her and I guess I suck.

That sounds very fishy to me. I wouldn't give money unless she was cute, then maybe a dollar.... Yes, I'm easy :p
Hahaha! Well let's just say you might have been a dollar poorer had you been there, then. :p

You know, now that you say that, that almost makes it seem more questionable.

Regarding situations like that i wouldn't advise to give out any personal information like credit card information, cash is fine. If you are lead to donate to help her cause give freely. God notices & will bless your generosity towards others. Whether or not she is being truthful or deceptive God will judge her for.
I appreciate the input, and I used to view giving this way as well. Anymore, intuition tells me that if a plea for funds comes across as iffy, I could be inadvertently contributing to something heinous. In such cases, I tend to withhold.

And @ seoulsearch: Those are some cray cray stories, yo. Sad, yes, but I'm glad nothing happened to you─ some that are down and out can become violent.
 
Heeey, I was going to start a thread on a similar topic!

She did sound a bit dodgy....

In Norway we have a lot of people begging in the streets ... but few of them are (seem to be) Norwegians, most of them are from i.e. Romania .... and that normally means it's organized .... meaning some guy goes around collecting money from the beggars...

I don't know how much, if any, the actual beggars get to keep. I once spotted one with what looked like a new iPhone..
but yet, they sit there all day long, even during winter, sometimes with little clothes on... and surely that cannot be by choice.

Most times I ignore them. In part because I know it is organized, in part because there will be like five beggars in a row and I don't have that much money on me on any given time.

So I wonder "What would Jesus do?" and what should we do?

I wonder if , in Jesus' time, you could know that a beggar really was poor, or if they too had scam artists :p
 
Hahaha! Well let's just say you might have been a dollar poorer had you been there, then. :p

You know, now that you say that, that almost makes it seem more questionable.

Actually one thought that crossed my mind was young Asian girl who can't speak English well, sounds like someone who might be a victim of trafficking (whether she's legitimately now working to prevent it or this is a scheme and she's still under the control of her traffickers I don't know if there'd be any way of knowing).

So I wonder "What would Jesus do?" and what should we do?

I wonder if , in Jesus' time, you could know that a beggar really was poor, or if they too had scam artists :p

I'm sure they had scam artists then too, but it was probably much more difficult to be successful with a begging scam most of the time because communities were smaller and closer knit. So there are several stories in the Bible about beggars getting healed and telling their community that the community knew about their affliction and so knew it was a miracle (rather than thinking they'd been tricked and were being played).
 
I stopped by Starbucks for a quick pick-me-up this evening. While I sat inside, a young Oriental girl approached. Apparently, she was seeking donations for some organization that raises funds to combat human trafficking─ at least, I think that's what her plea was about.

The thing was, the girl barely spoke English. She mostly relied on visual aids to do the talking for her, pointing at them for me so I could follow along─ or maybe so she could follow along (I'm not so sure either way). When I explained that I didn't have cash, she said she could accept credit cards. Short story short, I did not provide a credit card.

And so now, I'm wondering:

Do you shy away from unknown causes, or are you apt to give something to anyone that asks and simply hope it does some good?

How do you gauge the legitimacy of a perfect stranger's needs when approached for donations/fundraising?

Why am I asking this instead of exercising, like I told myself to do an hour ago?


EDIT: Though this isn't a Singles kind of topic, per se, I'm posting it here because... well because I like you all so much.

What about a buck or two for an East Tennessee mountain boy with an accent a country mile away from whats comprehensible?

If you start asking questions I'll pick up my snake handler snake fresh from church. LOL.

I'm totally just kidding, man.
 
I'm sure they had scam artists then too, but it was probably much more difficult to be successful with a begging scam most of the time because communities were smaller and closer knit. So there are several stories in the Bible about beggars getting healed and telling their community that the community knew about their affliction and so knew it was a miracle (rather than thinking they'd been tricked and were being played).
That's an interesting thought. I'm reminded of a Sherlock Holmes story, the one about the Man with the Twisted Lip. Basically it was a missing person mystery and it turns out a wealthy man had for years been disguising himself as somebody completely different and playing a beggar because he could make more in a day begging than he could in a fortnight working honestly.

Most "towns" were much smaller than our modern concept of a small town, and any beggar there would be well known. If anybody tried to playact I'm sure he would be outed post haste. But I wonder about in truly large cities. Would a "beggar" be able to play the part in Rome, for example, or in Jerusalem?
 
Actually one thought that crossed my mind was young Asian girl who can't speak English well, sounds like someone who might be a victim of trafficking (whether she's legitimately now working to prevent it or this is a scheme and she's still under the control of her traffickers I don't know if there'd be any way of knowing).
My mind went in a bit of a different direction, but I certainly HOPE either of those scenarios isn't the reality.

What about a buck or two for an East Tennessee mountain boy with an accent a country mile away from whats comprehensible?
Do you take credit cards? :p
 
A good American saying to teach to people who think about taking "work" overseas (which can just as easily be a front for trafficking). "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" ie, if it sounds unbelievably good, someone is probably lying to you.

True! sadly some people wont think twice if they got "good" opportunity :(

I have a friend and she have a foreign bf.. her bf offer her to work overseas -_-
I told her to be careful and i remind her about human trafficking.. she wont listen to me even trying to introduce me to his friend in hope we can fly together and work together.. meh -_- i keep telling her to think again since he is so suspicious in many ways but seems like useless UNTIL she found out he just bunch of liar :D phew phew

with kids being kidnapped here, they was kidnapped while playing on street by "crazy" people :(
When police caught the culprit, they also found some who cant be saved (not going into details) and ready to sell :( and those sad horror image wont leave my mind for few days
I wonder how someone can be so heartless to another human life especially kids :(

*ok i'm totally out of topic now
*sorry
hehehe :D
 
I can identify with the people in this thread who, when approached by someone asking for money, are reluctant to give them anything. I usually don't. I think a lot of people asking for handouts are scammers. Not all of them. But a lot. OTOH, I find it to be a blessing to me when I see someone who clearly needs help, and I am able to help them out. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes the opportunity presents itself:

My office overlooks an intersection, and I can see about a block down the sidewalk from my desk. So during the course of a day I see lots of people walking by. A couple years back I had just settled in at my desk to drink my morning coffee. Out the window I could see a middle aged guy staggering down the sidewalk. It looked like he might have been drinking or doing drugs the night before. He was pretty dingy looking and didn't have a shirt on. It was odd that he didn't have a shirt since it was in the fall, and a little bit chilly out. Anyway, as I watched him stagger up towards my building I thought, you know, it wouldn't take much effort on my part to really help this guy out. I hustled back to the kitchen and filled a stryofoam cup with coffee. As I headed out the door I grabbed a hoodie sweatshirt that I had in my office. As I came out the front door he was just stepping onto the sidewalk in front of my building. I said, "Hey pal, it looks like you could use a cup of coffee." He looked at me very suspiciously. I pointed to my second floor window above us, and told him that I worked up there and could see him coming down the street. He was still suspicious, so I told him that I'd be glad to take a sip of the coffee to show him that I wasn't trying to trick him. He took the coffee. Then I asked if he wanted the hoodie. I said that it was just an old one that I had laying around, and I didn't need it anymore. He put the hoodie on, thanked me, and continued on shuffling down the sidewalk. I never saw him again.

The thing is, that poor guy probably (maybe?) thinks it was a blessing that some do-gooder came along and gave him a cup of coffee and a sweatshirt. But I think the blessing was mine. The satisfaction of helping him out was worth far more than the cost of a cup of java and an old sweatshirt.
 
Man oh man, Siberian... You could have read my mind. I had wanted to post a couple of threads about this very subject a few days ago but didn't have the time or gumption to do it, so thank you very much for posting this. :)

For those who don't like long posts, you might want to skip over this one...

Three days ago, I was approached by a man at a gas station asking me if I'd donate to his church's home for drug addicts. To tell you the honest truth, I hate being solicited while at public places, and I've almost always been approached by men, which automatically puts me on the defensive. To be honest, I was rather curt with him because, although he was polite, he was also very aggressive, seeing as he walked right up to my car.

I have sometimes reported solicitors and will often avoid places that are known to have them in their parking lots. One guy was even asking for money for his kid's soccer team, which I personally felt was really overdoing it.

Please note that I am NOT trying to say IN ANY WAY that all men are predators. But for me, it's usually been men who literally walk up to me while I'm at or in my car, so as a single woman who used to park a bit far away for the extra exercise (which helps with your 3rd question, Siberian! :)), I automatically go into "defense mode" when a strange man comes over to talk to me. Back when I was in college (and it was in a "good" town), a girl was kidnapped at gunpoint from the parking lot of a grocery store I used to go to every week (at 2 PM in the afternoon), and another was nearly kidnapped from the parking lot of a coffee shop my friends and I had gone to all the time... So, I try to be cautious.

If someone I don't know is approaching me in the middle of nowhere, I try to remind myself to grab my phone and keys, just in case. In the back of my head I'm thinking, "Dial 911 and start shouting your location if something goes wrong!"

For me personally, I would never hand over my credit card information, and like Cinder, I prefer to seek out and research causes I want to donate to instead. In fact, I prayed a long time ago that one of the ways God would help me discern who to give to was to lead me to people/organizations that AREN'T aggressively going after people for money in this way. If I'm in a big city and see beggars, I usually carry a little bit of extra cash specifically for that purpose BUT I always choose to donate to the ones who are sitting back quietly and NOT getting up in people's faces.

I do have one situation that I'll always remember though. I was sitting in my car towards the end of a Target parking lot on a gloomy, slightly brisk fall afternoon, and a young guy came out of nowhere and rapped on my window. He told me he was new to the area, had been walking for 3 days without anything to eat, and could I please help him get a hotel room? To be honest, I was totally thrown off guard (and frankly, a little bit scared) by his boldness, and while I tried to be polite, I adamantly turned him down and drove away. The whole time I was thinking to myself, "Why does he seem so familiar?"

Several months later, I found out why. This young man's obituary was in the local paper, and I realized he was someone who had worked at the same place I did a while back. He'd gone to the local high school, and, at the time, some of the girls I worked with told me he was trying to get them to sleep with him even though he had a baby on the way with another girl.

He had also been known to have a lot of problems with drugs, and though the paper didn't give a specific cause of death, everyone who knew him said it was from an overdose.

Even though this was probably 15 years ago, I still look back and think of that afternoon and wonder if there was something I could have done to help. But when I pray about it, to be honest, I don't think there's anything I could have done, and I'm pretty sure, if I would have given him anything, I would have only been contributing to his issues.

I realize others might have reacted differently, but God might have asked something different of them in that situation.

This is part of what helped me come to a better sense of peace over whom I should and should not give to. If warning bells are going off in my head the whole time, I go with my gut reaction and leave. But sometimes, God does tap me on the shoulder. (I know someone will probably say, "You should keep what you do for others between you and the Lord!!!", but the reason I share stories is because I'm hoping that it will help others relate, and also sort through what they may be going through, too.)

Last Thanksgiving I was driving home from work and saw a woman standing in an empty parking lot with a sign for help. Something in the back of my head told me to turn around and stop. I could have just given it to her from my window, but something told me to park the car several feet away and make the effort to walk over to her instead. I gave her what I felt God was telling me to give, along with a hug. She had tears in her eyes, and by the time I made it back to my car, I did, too.

I don't know if there's something else I should have done. But, I feel that at the time, I did what God was asking me to do. However, I'm always left with a the feeling of, "What more could/should I have done?", and I have yet to answer that question.
Theres a scripture that says something like, when you receive the Holy Spirit your belly will be flowing with living waters...

A very popular pastor (who shall remain un-named in order not to bogart this thread) did a sermon on this and basically said that when the Holy Spirit is in you, you will know things in the pit of your stomach because the spirit is working inside you. Of course the pastor put it in a much more eloquent and convincing way than that, but you get the picture.. :rolleyes: