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We gotta go easy on Lynn. Maybe she ran out of her..... well, whatever it is she consumes. LOL
 
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Magenta said:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not
for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
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Context is King.

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Do you keep his commandments? ("May not" in the first verse means something.)

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Were you the only one who came out of the darkness because you really really wanted to, instead of God carrying you out? (The reaction of Man in verses 18-20 means something.)

Not all are saved. And the Savior is Jesus. We do NOT save ourselves, nor did he ever save every conceived person ever.

World has more than one meaning. Context reveals the meaning.

(Fallacy explained.)
 
John 1:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

 
Actually Lynn, I agree with you. All the world has the potential of salvation, but not all are saved. And we don't choose God, He chooses us. Draws us.
 
Stephen63 said:
Grace teachers Chandler, Keller, Prince, Ellis, McVey and universalism

The “Grace Teachers” Lead Us Toward A Global Understanding of Salvation

by PHILLIP on SEPTEMBER 30, 2013

A remarkable movement toward pure grace is emerging from both the Arminian (freewill) and the Calvinistic (predestination) realms of the Body of Christ. Whether your bottom line for salvation is man’s freewill or God’s sovereign choice the conclusion is the same: anything that adds to the message that Jesus Christ has done it all is being vehemently challenged. Any message that claims “Jesus+something=your salvation” is immediately suspect of being a different gospel. There is growing a collective mood of zero tolerance for law-based teaching. The radical grace teachers are attacking it head-on. They are teaching us to say no! to the mixture of law and grace. For this we wholeheartedly rejoice!

But there is one fundamental requirement if you want to teach or receive “radical grace:” By definition it can only be true, pure and radical if it’s freely offered to and effectualfor all. In other words, it must be true before it is believed it in order for it to be “news” and it must not be a fear-based message in order for it to be “good“ news.

Radical grace teaching demands a universal application of the Gospel!

I will begin by highlighting the grace teacher Paul Ellis of Escape to Reality blog and author of The Gospel in Ten Words. His is the book I have enjoyed most recently and which gave me the most clarity on how this grace message is being presented in the popular sphere. Even though I disagree with his conclusion that “not all are saved” and that “universalism steals motivation” I was tremendously encouraged and strengthened by his beautiful treatise on the Father’s never-ending love and grace. It is an insightful and refreshing movement toward true grace. We would simply like to see him take it all the way. Indeed the cry for a pure unadulterated Gospel has no option but for it to be taken all the way. And here are a few reasons why…

Do we see what this really means?
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I thought the moderators were going to ban this kind of crap
 
I believe Jesus dying on the cross with 2 thieves reveal Christ's work for the world. They were crucified with Christ - one rejected Christ the other believed in Him and received the benefit of His shed blood.

There is no doubt that Christ died for the sins of the whole world and that He is the Savior of the world. The real question is - will they believe in Him and receive the forgiveness of sins.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Heb. 9:22 The blood has been shed. Let's bid people to believe and receive the love and grace of God for them all. We have a good, good Father.
 
FreeNChrist said:
Then why this thread????
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I wonder the same thing on the vast majority of threads on this board. I've come to the conclusion they're kind of like liberals -- they exist, but I'll never understand them.

If you come up with a better answer than that, let me know.
 
PennEd said:
Hey. Can we keep in mind we love each other?
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My best friend in High School used to fight with his older brother all the time. To the point where they both almost got kicked out of school.

Neither one of them ever fought with anyone else...

Kind of funny...
 
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