God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[Dino246]

Oh wait a minute
I do know what you were thinking
You were thinking
You could make me angry
And lose my temper
Say something to you
That was in violation of a rule
So you can report me.

Did I get that right?

You know what I was thinking by what I wrote, not by what you think I wrote.

 

[Haidabo]

You know what I was thinking by what I wrote, not by what you think I wrote.

That's good to know.

 

[homwardbound]

Ummmm
Things Dedicated to God have become God's....and as such we need to be very very careful with them.

Discern from Father and Son living in us, ask and receive it, when one does not give to see it, will one day each person in pursuit. God knowing us all teaches each child new in his love and mercy for us all. This I now see, have not always and am learning new in truth to remain in trust for me and all others too, thank you for the Insight Friend in the risen Son too

 

[JohnDB]

Let's see what God's word says about that:

Genesis 4:3, 5
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain (the elder son) brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. ...
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

In the Hebrew and the Greek Septuagint, the term "not respect" in the ancient idiom meant to torn away one's graze from, to look away, which is a rejection. So, to say that Cain's offering was "accepted" is to completely defy the very scriptures for what they say and to create, in the place of scripture, some fantasy concocted in the mind.



I don't understand your disrespect of God. To say that He ever "fuss"ed about anything is to make Him petty and akin to fallen humanity. Such cavalier disregard for fearing God is cause for alarm in my mind.

MM

Look at what God said to Cain later when Cain needed to master his sin.
His offering was what was expected of him.

And my fear of God is healthier than most. You are reading into my posts things that are not true whatsoever. STOP.

 

[Musicmaster]

Look at what God said to Cain later when Cain needed to master his sin.
His offering was what was expected of him.

And my fear of God is healthier than most. You are reading into my posts things that are not true whatsoever. STOP.

I would have to see the text since you didn't quote it nor explain in detail what it is you mean in all this. The short little quips fail to give us much insight into what you're saying.

MM

 

[JohnDB]

There's a difference between what God established by His own Hand and Wisdom, and what man established. Because man may dedicate something to God doesn't mean that He accepts it. For reference, consider Cain and his offering of dedication to God. It was rejected, even though used as an object lesson from then onward. God uses the institutional model for His own purposes, but that doesn't mean that it has His seal of approval upon it.

MM

There are several instances where God has expressed a high instance in our offerings....especially ones made by our labors where we have taken great care because it was made with the intention of giving it to Him.
Plus God's absolute anger and frustration of those who stand in the path of our giving the labor of our hands to Him.
Jesus kept a relentless schedule, always busy when at the Temple. But one time He sat and watched and did nothing. That's the story of the Widow and her copper coins. Jesus waited for her. Knew she was coming and ignored the gold and silver coins being given but waited for her and her copper coins. Which He made a huge deal over.

That's not in keeping with what you just stated. Try again.

Also....
I gave myself to God to do with as He pleased. And even though it was corrupt and filthy and disgusting...He accepted it and kept it. Your Mileage May Vary.

 

[JohnDB]

There's a difference between what God established by His own Hand and Wisdom, and what man established. Because man may dedicate something to God doesn't mean that He accepts it. For reference, consider Cain and his offering of dedication to God. It was rejected, even though used as an object lesson from then onward. God uses the institutional model for His own purposes, but that doesn't mean that it has His seal of approval upon it.

MM

There are several instances where God has expressed a high instance in our offerings....especially ones made by our labors where we have taken great care because it was made with the intention of giving it to Him.
Plus God's absolute anger and frustration of those who stand in the path of our giving the labor of our hands to Him.
Jesus kept a relentless schedule, always busy when at the Temple. But one time He sat and watched and did nothing. That's the story of the Widow and her copper coins. Jesus waited for her. Knew she was coming and ignored the gold and silver coins being given but waited for her and her copper coins. Which He made a huge deal over.

That's not in keeping with what you just stated. Try again.

Also....
I gave myself to God to do with as He pleased. And even though it was corrupt and filthy and disgusting...He accepted it and kept it. Your Mileage May Vary.

 

[Godsgood]

Did Jesus appoint
Women to pastor in his church?

Yes, Our Lord Jesus himself elected Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Pastors.
In our times today, man who elected them.

Man is not allowed to elect them.
Even the 11 Apostles when they elected the replacement of Judas, although before they did it they prayed first but it was rejected by Our Lord Jesus. Because Man is not allowed.
ACTS:1:23-26
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Our Lord Jesus elected Paul as Judas replacement.

 

[Musicmaster]

There are several instances where God has expressed a high instance in our offerings....especially ones made by our labors where we have taken great care because it was made with the intention of giving it to Him.
Plus God's absolute anger and frustration of those who stand in the path of our giving the labor of our hands to Him.
Jesus kept a relentless schedule, always busy when at the Temple. But one time He sat and watched and did nothing. That's the story of the Widow and her copper coins. Jesus waited for her. Knew she was coming and ignored the gold and silver coins being given but waited for her and her copper coins. Which He made a huge deal over.

That's not in keeping with what you just stated. Try again.

Also....
I gave myself to God to do with as He pleased. And even though it was corrupt and filthy and disgusting...He accepted it and kept it. Your Mileage May Vary.

I'm reminded of the old adage that says, "The road to Hell is paved with good I ntentions." Perhaps that applies in v a rying degrees in different contexts, but the fact does remain that the majority of church-goer's so-called "giving" they lavish right back on themselves by way of all the luxuries they enjoy within their institutional church organization of choice. No amount of spiritualization will ever make that any more acceptable than the silver and gold the other people were putting into the temple treasury.

It's also interesting that the context of that widow's mites she cast into the temple treasury, as being more than all the rest, also points out the coming destruction that was to befall that same temple those coins and mites supported. All Jesus pointed out was the proportion by comparison. He did not state any special blessing for her giving of the mites. No. He spoke only of the destruction of what that widow gave the most to support. She, of course, could not have known of what was to come, but the context gives to us reason to believe that Jesus wasn't praising her so much as He was using her greater sacrifice toward something that was soon to be destroyed, giving much in order to receive, perhaps to buy blessing. We don't know for sure either way.

Again, I'm sure there is strong emotion some have always applied to that imagery as the means for supporting the dogma of tithing and calling the lavishment back upon themselves the largest percentage from their own tithe a good and godly thing. Go for it.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Yes, Our Lord Jesus himself elected Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Pastors.
In our times today, man who elected them.

Man is not allowed to elect them.
Even the 11 Apostles when they elected the replacement of Judas, although before they did it they prayed first but it was rejected by Our Lord Jesus. Because Man is not allowed.
ACTS:1:23-26
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Our Lord Jesus elected Paul as Judas replacement.

Where does scripture declare Paul as Judas' replacement? Where does it even say the Lord intended to make Judas the apostle to the Gentiles?

MM

 

[JohnDB]

I'm reminded of the old adage that says, "The road to Hell is paved with good I ntentions." Perhaps that applies in v a rying degrees in different contexts, but the fact does remain that the majority of church-goer's so-called "giving" they lavish right back on themselves by way of all the luxuries they enjoy within their institutional church organization of choice. No amount of spiritualization will ever make that any more acceptable than the silver and gold the other people were putting into the temple treasury.

It's also interesting that the context of that widow's mites she cast into the temple treasury, as being more than all the rest, also points out the coming destruction that was to befall that same temple those coins and mites supported. All Jesus pointed out was the proportion by comparison. He did not state any special blessing for her giving of the mites. No. He spoke only of the destruction of what that widow gave the most to support. She, of course, could not have known of what was to come, but the context gives to us reason to believe that Jesus wasn't praising her so much as He was using her greater sacrifice toward something that was soon to be destroyed, giving much in order to receive, perhaps to buy blessing. We don't know for sure either way.

Again, I'm sure there is strong emotion some have always applied to that imagery as the means for supporting the dogma of tithing and calling the lavishment back upon themselves the largest percentage from their own tithe a good and godly thing. Go for it.

MM

I don't give to lavish luxuries upon myself. As I have said, I gave myself to God. Meaning all I am, all I have been, and all I will be is God's....including my wages. God generously provides for me.

However....the scriptures are clear on FALSE ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN.

might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

 

[Godsgood]

Where does scripture declare Paul as Judas' replacement? Where does it even say the Lord intended to make Judas the apostle to the Gentiles?

MM

Aside from the 11 Apostles. Paul has the title of Apostle too and no one else. He is elected by Jesus Christ as replacement of Judas Iscariot
GALATIANS 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

 

[JohnDB]

Where does scripture declare Paul as Judas' replacement? Where does it even say the Lord intended to make Judas the apostle to the Gentiles?

MM

Paul was never Judas's replacement.

There's a thing with the "12". There never has been 12 tribes of Israel or just 12 Apostles.

The 12 tribes of Israel were always 13 tribes....just stated as 12.

EXACT SAME thing with Apostles.

Matthias replaced Judas per scriptures.

 

[Musicmaster]

Paul was never Judas's replacement.

There's a thing with the "12". There never has been 12 tribes of Israel or just 12 Apostles.

The 12 tribes of Israel were always 13 tribes....just stated as 12.

EXACT SAME thing with Apostles.

Matthias replaced Judas per scriptures.

Look, I'm Israeli, and your statements are nonsense to me. 13 tribes?

No, I don't follow any of that.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Aside from the 11 Apostles. Paul has the title of Apostle too and no one else. He is elected by Jesus Christ as replacement of Judas Iscariot
GALATIANS 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

You are assuming into the text what clearly is not there. Paul was THE apostle to the Gentiles and of the mystery hidden in God from the creation of the world. That's why his gospel was different from that of the 12. The 11 chose the replacement for Judas, and the Lord said not one word to them for having done so by lots. It's armchair experts in modern times who criticize the 11 for what they did.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I don't give to lavish luxuries upon myself. As I have said, I gave myself to God. Meaning all I am, all I have been, and all I will be is God's....including my wages. God generously provides for me.

However....the scriptures are clear on FALSE ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN.

might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

You do err in your understanding of what I said.

MM

 

[homwardbound]

Cain's offering was accepted....just not emphasized and a big deal made over it by God. Abel's was.

Cain was accepted for his offering....as well as his offering.
Abel's was just miles ahead of Cain's. That's why God was making a fuss about it.
And as the Firstborn he was supposed to set the standard. But his runt of a brother had showed Cain up big time.

Interesting, Cain killed his brother over jealousy, Abel being a better person than himself, Being accepted by God, feeling not accepted by God. When God accepted us all, no one better than anyone else, ever since day one in the fall of the first Adam. God has loved us all even in our failures, otherwise Son would not have come to earth to reconcile us all first in his one time willing death once for everyone (Hebrews 10:10) or would he have?

God warned Cain that sin (Unbelief) to God's love for us all, is real. Cain, distracted by not doing correctly, another person (his brother) Accepted and Cains not accepted took him to anger over the thoughts entering in his mindset, wanting to be accepted and thus to be a better person that even his own brother, is Satan's goal for us the people to be independent on God's plan for us his creation, that he continues to love in mercy and truth.
Think on that one Luke 18:9-14, I see God hates pride, one, anyone, making themselves or even receiving thought(s) they are better than others is not good for my Soul at least, and is for each person to decide between God and them as well.
God told Cain, to be aware, Sin (Independence of self over the creator God himself is a mess)
We, all are given freedom to choose and Cain chose, having this freedom to choose, yet did it without against God's lead, and so it Was Anarchy, in killing brother.
Now we have belief to God, and still have the freedom to choose. And if one does not still have freedom in beleif then it is tyranny.

Cain did wrong, period, so have I, so has everyone else. God through Son as risen gives new life to be led by God freely to do right over harming anyone else ever again, at least this what I am now seeing, in my long walk off a short pier daily as dead to the first born me. Romans 6

 

[homwardbound]

Aside from the 11 Apostles. Paul has the title of Apostle too and no one else. He is elected by Jesus Christ as replacement of Judas Iscariot
GALATIANS 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

I hear, what is being said here, is God chose Paul who was Saul as the replacement apostle of Judas who betrayed Jesus. Is this correct? from the view you are given?

 

[Genez]

Where does scripture declare Paul as Judas' replacement? Where does it even say the Lord intended to make Judas the apostle to the Gentiles?

MM

Scripture just flat out reveals it.
No one was assigned to the Gentiles before the church age began.

Scripture just flat out reveals it, by what we are shown, that Paul was assigned to the Gentiles.