GOD TOLD ME . . .

[Cobus]

how can any of that be true when you still say you're unregenerate?

You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you FREE... This making free is STEPS. not one STEP. that is how it is TRUE.

God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh.... And how long it takes is up to God, not us...

That is how it is true,,, God does not work on righteous people, God works and teaches sinners to become righteous people.

 

[zone]

You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you FREE... This making free is STEPS. not one STEP. that is how it is TRUE.

God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh....

you're planning to become God, eh Cobus?

ttyl...maybe

 

[Cobus]

Zonie Benni Hinn truly are a peace of art, and wow does he show what false doctrine can achieve... But there are not ONLY false teachers out there.. the art to know who is who is in the YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH...

Zonie I know God's Truth well, very well, because God said ALL HIS CHILDREN will know the Truth and they CANNOT be deceived for the KNOW GOD... I looked a Benni for three seconds and stopped the dvd... He just is so predictable, deceiver of NOTE...

And I do as god commands... I proof ALL Spirits and I proof them with God's Word, and the Doctrine of the Word... It is infellable in the Word and in life.... A true GIFT OF GOD...

I LOVE God because HE LOVED ME FIRST... and HE LOVED me enough to let me get to know HIM... His WAY, HIS TRUTH, HIS LIFE, and HIS VOICE... I am on the WAY Zonie.... And I wondered off for 15 years, but now, God truly does talk and tell me ....This is the way when I want to go off to the left or the right. And I Truly have Jesus as my assitant should temptaion come... Jeus said this and HE DOES DO WHAT HE SAYS HE WOULD.... Jesus now succour me when I am tempted.... OH HE IS TRULY FAITHFUL....

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

 

[Cobus]

you're planning to become God, eh Cobus?

ttyl...maybe

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jesus in me Zonie, And in you Zonie, and we can be one with them, as them.... WOW!

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Zonie this is the Father's will that we be in Him and HE in us... It is His will and mine also... Oh dear friend is that not the BEST place to be here on earth? Show me any better place and I will follow... but there is none... The Kingdom of heaven in IN HIM right here on earth... WOW!

 

[zone]

You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you FREE... This making free is STEPS. not one STEP. that is how it is TRUE.

God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh.... And how long it takes is up to God, not us...

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jesus in me Zonie, And in you Zonie, and we can be one with them, as them.... WOW!

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Zonie this is the Father's will that we be in Him and HE in us... It is His will and mine also... Oh dear friend is that not the BEST place to be here on earth? Show me any better place and I will follow... but there is none... The Kingdom of heaven in IN HIM right here on earth... WOW!

are you going to make an adjustment here or not?:

God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh.... And how long it takes is up to God, not us...

 

[Cobus]

are you going to make an adjustment here or not?:

I do not understand your question or suggestion,

 

[zone]

I do not understand your question or suggestion,

Cobus: do you see anything wrong with this assertion:?

"God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh."

you're not going to be Jesus.
you're not going to be made a god in order to enter heaven.

if you submit to the true gospel, you will repent and baptized for forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit, the seal or guarantee that God will take full possession of what He purchased - you.

you're not going to be a god; and you're not going to be perfect the way you use it.
not arguing this with you today.

stop sinning. completely. never ever sin again. < just DO IT.

(but i'm not sure what you're going to do about the sins you've already committed.

 

[Stephen63]

preach from the Word.
in it is the power of God.

not your fake words of knowledge and tongues.



you have....you're still wrong.



ALL OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES DELETED - DISHONESTY AND RECKLESS MISHANDLING...typical.
how long will you behave as though you haven't been shown the truth of this matter?

here's why OT references deleted - in case you've never read it:

Hebrews 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

NOW YOU'VE READ IT....no excuse.

He called and authorized apostles and disciples who were witnesses of His life and resurrection (why don't you know this yet?)...and they recorded their AUTHORIZED testimony.

the Book is Finished.

you're not in it, and you're not authorized to speak for God.

don't you actually read the bible? or is it a book of tricks for you to carry on as you do?:

The Parable of the Rich Fool:



^ that's Jesus Christ speaking....in a parable....^...taken from a proverb.
the jews knew it. do you?



see above.
more trickery by you.



AUTHORIZED APOSTLES AND WRITERS recounting authorized OT prophets.

and why are you quoting SCRIPTURE to prove God is speaking to YOU?
(He isn't, except through the scriptures).




21Since they had been without food for a long time, Paul stood up among them and said, “Men, you should have listened to me and not have set sail from Crete and incurred this injury and loss. 22Yet now I urge you to take heart, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. 23For this very night there stood before me an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I worship, 24and he said, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar. And behold, God has granted you all those who sail with you.’ 25So take heart, men, for I have faith in God that it will be exactly as I [APOSTLE PAUL] have been told. 26But we must run aground on some island.”

are you claiming to be like Apostle Paul?
why didn't you quote the context?
oh....it doesn't work for you that way...does it Stephen?



what's THIS? ^^^

He has spoken to us by His Son; through His chosen; and by them, through the God-breathed Scriptures He ordained THEY RECORD.

you're not in them; you're not an apostle; you're not a prophet..and God is not speaking through you.


have you actually read that whole book?
written by CHOSEN AND AUTHORIZED EMPOWERED FROM HIGH PETER.

you weren't at pentecost; you didn't receive that power; you're not an apostle or a prophet; God is not speaking through you; you're not receiving new revelation.

it's evident you shouldn't even be a pastor, since a Pastor/Teacher needs to be able to RIGHTLY HANDLE the WORD OF GOD.



what's the point here?
more rubbish claims that cessationism denies the Holy Spirit indwells believers and affirms the Deity and Person of Christ?

you weren't at Corinth; you didn't receive those partial gifts.
God is not revealing NT doctrine and instruction outside what He already revealed through His AUTHORIZED WITNESSES.

It's no wonder cessationists declare the vocal gifts done away with & leave DISERNMENT intact....... that way they clan have the right to slam down judgement on others with their authority. No compassion, no mercy, no love....... Jesus said you would know them by their fruits.

Let me remind you of something, zone....... Since you believe that women have no right to take authority over a man, why don't you obey you own beliefs & "keep silent"? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin, & working against your own convictions is a sin. Sounds like to me you need to judge yourself according to the Word & pull the beam out of your own eye first before judging everybody else.

 

[zone]

It's no wonder cessationists declare the vocal gifts done away with & leave DISERNMENT intact....... that way they clan have the right to slam down judgement on others with their authority. No compassion, no mercy, no love....... Jesus said you would know them by their fruits.

i love you stephen.
my hope is that you get out of pentecostalism.
or that others will avoid it.

mercy?
i don't have you lined up on a firing squad.

i'm just warning you that pentecostalism is ERROR.

ERROR ERROR ERROR.

if you don't like the warning, and call it no love, i can't help it.
you're using LOVE as a weapon and ignoring the warning about continuationism.
that's on you dear.

Let me remind you of something, zone....... Since you believe that women have no right to take authority over a man, why don't you obey you own beliefs & "keep silent"?

lol.....don't dialogue with me then.
or are all your conversations just you speaking?

i believe women are not to be pastors; nor to speak in church.
i'm not a pastor, and i don't speak in church.

this isn't a church, it's an internet forum.

you're not my husband
you're not my pastor
you're not my teacher
if Robo decides to have a men's only forum, you'll get your wish.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin, & working against your own convictions is a sin.

my convictions are to defend the faith against the errors of pentecostalism.
i'm sorry if that's upsetting for you.

Sounds like to me you need to judge yourself according to the Word & pull the beam out of your own eye first before judging everybody else.

judging?
i'm simply stating facts - you're not getting direct revelation; words of knowledge; prophecies; and you're not an apostle.

tongues were known human languages.

now could you go back and address why you deliberately mishandled the word to justify pentecostalism (direct revelation)?

thanks
love zone.

 

[1still_waters]

Ok I see where this may eventually be going.
If anyone is ready to rant or whatever, please step away and collect yourself.

 

[Stephen63]

She only uses the "L" word when she's caught without it. Perhaps if you used it back on page 2 some body might have swallowed it. Too little, too late.

BTW readers, you might ought to read the rest of zone's posts/threads & see how much love she shows those she slams & judges in this forum. Don't take my word for it..... be a Berean & read it for yourselves.

 

[zone]

She only uses the "L" word when she's caught without it. Perhaps if you used it back on page 2 some body might have swallowed it. Too little, too late.

BTW readers, you might ought to read the rest of zone's posts/threads & see how much love she shows those she slams & judges in this forum. Don't take my word for it..... be a Berean & read it for yourselves.

yawn...o distractions...why you default position?



could you actually deal with posts 75 & 78?
i'll bump them if you need me to.

thx steve.
zone.


meanwhile, i'll just step away for a bit.

 

[Cobus]

are you going to make an adjustment here or not?:

Yes sorry Zone the "A" must not be there...

Sorry my friend is should say.... God starts with a sinner and end up with CHRIST JESUS IN FLESH//// Not a Christ Jesus, there is only ONE as He says in Eph 4...

God starts of with a sinning man, and completed that man to be Christ Jesus in the flesh of the man...

Thank you for showing me my error... The A should not be there... sorry.

 

[zone]

Yes sorry Zone the "A" must not be there...

Sorry my friend is should say.... God starts with a sinner and end up with CHRIST JESUS IN FLESH//// Not a Christ Jesus, there is only ONE as He says in Eph 4...

God starts of with a sinning man, and completed that man to be Christ Jesus in the flesh of the man...

Thank you for showing me my error... The A should not be there... sorry.

haha cobus.
k...t.y.

do you still believe cobus literally dies; gets evicted from his body and the Literal Actual Jesus takes up residence instead?

 

[Cobus]

Cobus: do you see anything wrong with this assertion:?

"God starts off with a sinner and End up with a Christ Jesus in flesh."

you're not going to be Jesus.
you're not going to be made a god in order to enter heaven.

if you submit to the true gospel, you will repent and baptized for forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit, the seal or guarantee that God will take full possession of what He purchased - you.

you're not going to be a god; and you're not going to be perfect the way you use it.
not arguing this with you today.

stop sinning. completely. never ever sin again. < just DO IT.

(but i'm not sure what you're going to do about the sins you've already committed.

Correct I am not going to be Jesus, he is going to be ME!

I am not going to be made a god, correct, He is going to make me to the likeness of His son, A PERFECT man, not a GOD!
God removed ALL sin from me bu washing me with the Water by the word as I REPENTED OF EVERY SIN IN MY Life, I am as PURE as God is right this moment... 1 John3:3... Purified me in repentance and WASHED WITH THE WATER BY THE WORD,,,

Amen the NEXT step to perfect this Saint Cobus is to PERFECT THE SAINT with the IMPLANT of the SEED of GOD, the HOLY SPIRIT..... To seal me forever IN HIM... ONE SPIRIT.... Christ Jesus is that Spirit.... The Holy Spirit is Christ Jesus...

I am going to be perfect as GOD use it in Eph 4:11 to 13... To the FULNESS OF Christ Jesus... Amen! Zone it is more than what we can even imagine....

God already told me Sin is done away with, SOON I WILL BE BAPTIZED BY HIM IN SPIRIT... THE FIRE IS DONE!!! all the chaff is burnt, the old man is DEAD.... Christ Jesus can now be RESURRECTED IN ME... WOWOWOWOW!!! AT LAST!

The sin I already committed was ALL BURNT IN THE FIRE BAPTISM... REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED... I repented God baptized sin by sin in FIRE to remove it 100%....

Zone god;s forgiveness and DELIVERANCE from sin is so effective, I NEVER DID THE SIN... He will NEVER think of them again and neither would I....What an AWESOME SALVATION GOD HAS... Man it is so GOOD to be this free! And so much JOY and PEACE and LOVE and TRUTH and LONGSUFFERING, AND PATIENCE... Zonie..... I LOVE YOU... I know you love me too, I hope enough to really think on what I say...

 

[Stephen63]

i believe women are not to be pastors; nor to speak in church.
i'm not a pastor, and i don't speak in church.

this isn't a church, it's an internet forum.

you're not my husband
you're not my pastor
you're not my teacher
if Robo decides to have a men's only forum, you'll get your wish.

The true church is NOTHING about a building...... It's the body of Christ. Using authority to judge or impart knowledge to a man, whether christian or not, is what your denomination & you believe.

BTW, you're right about one thing.....I'm not yer husband.

 

[zone]

The true church is NOTHING about a building...... It's the body of Christ.

well steve, i guess i'll stay away from my doubts (at this time) about who may or may not make up the body of Christ.
the strange fire conference answered alot of that.

okay then.
time to take care of some business.
ttyl steve.

all the best,
zone


i won't say love you, since you don't won't believe it anyway. for you love is about one person (the one who disagrees with you) keeping silent...or....is it

k....ta.

 

[Cobus]

haha cobus.
k...t.y.

do you still believe cobus literally dies; gets evicted from his body and the Literal Actual Jesus takes up residence instead?

Zone how ONE was God with Jesus? Let me show you how POWERFUL the event of receving the HOLY SPIRIT IS....

God said.... YOU SHALL RECIEVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COME UPON YOU.... But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

Zonie, what is this POWER GOD TALKS ABOUT? We have to look at another verse where God refers to this power... And this is the verse I think about.... But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If CHRIST is the POWER OF GOD... And the Holy Spirit is CHRIST, then the HOLY SPIRIT COMES WITH POWER and this is that power.... Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Zonie, the world to come is ONLY PERFECT! And ALL enlightened people are PERFECT, the heavenly gifts ARE PERFECT, Partakers of the Holy Spirit are PERFECT. The tasters of the GOOD WORD OF GOD ARE MADE PERFECT.

Zonie I believe the old Cobus SPIRITUALLY, BODILY, and SOUL, DIES BEFORE GOD MAKES NEW... God says...

Those in Christ,(the enlightesed, the partakers of the Holy Spirit, those that tasted the freedom of the word, and the ones that has the powers of the world to come) are all the NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST... And LOOK what god says about these people.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Zonie I believe this with all my heart... If the NEW CREATURE is a ALL new. then there is not even one little cell of the old left to live. GOD will make sure that NONE of the OLD is still alive... ALL is become new. ALL ZONE ALL!!! If there is ONE just ONE CELL in the WHOLE Body of the person God made a NEW CREATURE, then God is lying. And we know HE CANNOT LIE... So if God says ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW.... GOD means.... ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW...

And Zonie, the NEW CREATURE IS ALL CHRIST JESUS... ALL!!!!! Spirit, soul and body... 100% CHRSIT JESUS!
Look Zonie this ONE are ALL the NEW CREATURES...

Eph 4:6.... The only perfection God knows is this perfection, and this is the only perfection there is, there is no other.... GOD IN ME, ME IN GOD!... The ONLY perfection I can have is GOD IN ME, CHRIST in ME. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.

 

[zone]

Zone how ONE was God with Jesus?

Cobus; Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.

you are not now, nor will you ever be Jesus or God.

Let me show you how POWERFUL the event of receving the HOLY SPIRIT IS....

God said.... YOU SHALL RECIEVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COME UPON YOU.... But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

Zonie, what is this POWER GOD TALKS ABOUT?

that was the power the disciples received - the miraculous gifts and power...to be His witnesses, and to give us the Bible.

you didn't receive that power.

but the same power that raised Jesus from the grave - The Holy Spirit, raises a dead sinner to new life.

repent, and believe.
obey the Gospel.

be a forgiven and sanctified MAN. one day, on the last day, you will be a saved; glorified and immortal man.

isn't that good enough?

night cobus.
love zonest

 

[my_adonai_]

Cobus; Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.

you are not now, nor will you ever be Jesus or God.



that was the power the disciples received - the miraculous gifts and power...to be His witnesses, and to give us the Bible.

you didn't receive that power.

I have laid hands on people and saw them get delivered.

Seriously i would NEVER be a cessationist,
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
very much denieing that we are made to be LIKE CHRIST, and so by so ought to WALK IN godliness, and what did JESUS do to show His Godly attributes? Miracles, Healings, Wisdom, Knowledge that surpasses all the witches, and even the pharisees themselves, now if you denie that GOD still does that, and yes HE DOES and has (i testify to that, on my own personal walk) then you denieing CHRIST. smh. if you want proof, come to Tanzania and see GOD move, but wait YOU DONT BELIEVE IT so you would have spent your money for nothing.

i pray the Lord opens your eyes and that you get out of that DEAD church, the truth without the HOLY SPIRIT is DEAD, believing in the Holy Spirit is the foundation, but let HIM MOVE brings out the manifestation.
i do say, that the very Lutheran church here was once DEAD, but now IT IS BEING REVIVED, they want to kill it again through lack of praise and worship and other Spiritual fields but the Lord will teach those leaders a lesson, if they fight it, GOD will raise stones to take their place. If you fight this, hope you believe in it before you face the FATHER.