God's ideal diet IS vegetarian.

[VCO]

Lemme see here...

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Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

According to what Law did they receive tithes from the people? . . .

t t t

Malachi 3:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, 'In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.

People complain almost every time a Pastor mentions tithes; which a tenth of your income.

That is actually in my opinion the starting point, and if God blesses you with more you should give more, in my opinion.

So how much of their income were the Jews paying in tithes? It was actually 23 1/3 percent each year, PLUS whatever the Romans wanted.

You forget that Israel was a theocracy, therefore there were three tithes. One was due to support the Temple and Synagogues, Another was due to support the running of the Israeli government, which was done by the Temple, and the Third was due every three years, but most paid it a third of a tenth each year; and it was like our Social Security because supported the elderly and widows. OFFERINGS were that which was given ABOVE AND BEYOND the tithe, such as we might give to the building fund today, or a special collection to help a member of the congregation who is facing huge medical bills.

 

[VCO]

i have a vulture here for you how do you want it fried , roast or just raw

If Obama succeeds in bankrupting our country, causing hyper-inflation; I will be picking up fresh road kill and shooting the vultures trying to fight me for it. And that road kill stew will be the main course, and include wild mushrooms that I recognize and any other edible plant that grows, such as dandelion leaves.

 

[VCO]

Haven't tried grasshoppers but they are clean.

Me, I would rather put one on a fish hook and catch a 12 inch Catfish.

 

[secularhermit]

Is "Go-d" were veggie, why asking animals as for sacrifice? See many people partook in that eating, particularly priests...

 

[VCO]

Yet among the winged insects that go on all fours you may eat those that have jointed legs above their feet, with which to hop on the ground.
Of them you may eat: the locust of any kind, the bald locust of any kind, the cricket of any kind, and the grasshopper of any kind.
But all other winged insects that have four feet are detestable to you.
(Leviticus 11:21-23) ESV

boy howdy, sure doesn't sound to me like he's talking about beans.

Nor does it sound like beans to me. IN FACT they are still considered food in the mid-east, desert communities, and in Africa. See these pictures:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Loc...SM4aAqgH4oYGIBA&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=632

 

[alexis]

Jesus fed people fish.....

 

[VCO]

the title to thread is, Gods ideal diet is vegetarian. the title is not, you must be vegetarian. take a person that has been eating flesh, verses a person thats been vegetarian. give each a physical and see which one is healthier, that is why its the ideal diet. i'm vegetarian and not to brag on me but to brag on the vegetarian diet God gave me, i can put people half my age to shame running circles around them, not by my strength, but buy God and the diet He gave me.

Yes I believe in Personal choices and personal convictions from GOD; but Labeling it "GOD's ideal diet is vegetarian", erroneously is adding to what GOD actually said. Give me the Chapter and verse where GOD SAID HIS "IDEAL DIET IS VEGETARIAN".

As others have pointed out the title does not square with Scripture.

Romans 14:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

 

[Praus]

Daniel asked to eat only vegetables . Specifically pea pod beans . those kinds of beans . I think you can figure it out by using a Strong's concordance, and looking up the related words used in that place. And maybe try the Smith's Bible dictionary to see if it says anything.

Hey Nathan,

I'm pretty sure (open to correction though!) that Daniel and friends didn't eat the meat because it would have been sacrificed to idols before arriving to them (and the king).

Dan 1:8 ¶ But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

Defile, I think refers to:

Deut 32:36-38 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that [their] power is gone, and [there is] none shut up, or left. And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.


The laws regarding kosher wine making are very strict, even today -> Kosher foods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vegetables may be ideal, but we're allowed to eat meat, so long as its clean , following those guidelines given by God in those scriptures.

And yes, I know people take some scriptures of out context to try and down play the health laws importance, but its not the case. Its written, and its important for maintaining decent physical health . To avoid getting sick . It beats all those hospital visits.

Gen 3:3 ... God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

I interpret those verses that God did something to the human DNA transcription error rate. If there's zero transcription errors ever (and one doesn't get injured) then there's no death--no cancer, no heart disease, no aging process, etc. Vice-versa, the higher the transcription error rate, the faster an organism ages.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/Nuclear_DNA_in_Aging.pdf

"Evidence is presented that damage to nuclear DNA (nDNA) is a direct cause of aging in addition to the effects of nDNA damage on cancer, apoptosis, and cellular senescence. Many studies show significant nDNA damage with age, associated with declining nDNA repair. Evidence for decline of nDNA repair with age is reviewed. Mammalian lifespans correlate with effectiveness of nDNA repair."

ASIDE: Since DNA is molecular it's subject to all quantum superpositioning properties, especially quantum entanglement. At that level everything seems to us to be probabilistic, which might be true (at times?) but maybe God uses entanglement to control every single atom in the universe in the all the time.

So my opinion is that Gen 1:29 applies to humans with a very, very slightly different DNA that ours, humans that didn't die. Since nothing died (Rom 5:12) there was no possibility of eating meat. Their diet must have been fruitarian, because you can't eat a carrot or a beet without killing it which isn't possible because there's no death.

That's not us in 2013, so eat a fish like Jesus did!

John 21:13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.


EDIT: Sister Alexis got here first.

Jesus fed people fish.....

 

[VCO]

Jesus fed people fish.....

Good point!

Had He wanted them to eat only vegetables, He could have easily created twice as much bread.

There is more to that miracle than you may realize.

In doing that SPECIFIC miracle and He did it twice; once in front of at least 5000 witnesses, and the second in front of at least 4000 witnesses. I doing it HE was showing them ALL that HE IS the Creator, and exactly how HE creates. Sorry Darwin you were totally wrong.

Colossians 1:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

 

[iamsoandso]

keep laughing and ridiculing doesn't work, its witch craft, trying to make me doubt my belief and trying to make others think i'm as ignorant, as your trying to make me out to be. we'll see who laughs last.

i'm not laughing,,,i agree,but i disagree with buying anything from the stores,,90% of all soybean grown in the u.s is g.m.o.,,,so m-donalds,jack-n in the ect,ect. are not on my list,,,,,,grow your own food,use any seed you can buy without a contract,,,and don't save the seeds more than two years(they'll cross with everyone else's),,,,,,

 

[nathan3]

Hey Nathan,

I'm pretty sure (open to correction though!) that Daniel and friends didn't eat the meat because it would have been sacrificed to idols before arriving to them (and the king).

Dan 1:8 ¶ But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

Defile, I think refers to:


The laws regarding kosher

Kosher can also refer to its traditions man has worked into it: for example , having to be blessed by a rabbi, or useing only certain utensils ...

I'm just going to focus what we can read in the scriptures. I'm not going to go into DNA and things like that. But just what we can learn from the word .

Daniel 1:8

"But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself."

Daniel determined and set in his mind he would not eat any of the king's polluted meat or drink. Daniel followed the laws given by God through Moses. Daniel explained why he wanted to stay on his own diet. Daniel said, the food he requested he remain eating, would keep him healthier then the rest; who took the provisions of the king. And this would show in how they all looked at the end of 10 days. ( Daniel 1:12 ; Daniel 1:13 )

Daniel 1:13
"Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with they servants."

The pulse is uncontaminated food ( vegetables or beans in pods ) (Daniel 1:12.) . To avoid idol-contaminated meats. Daniel's asking, try us for ten 10 days. What is ten 10 days out of three 3 years.

Heathen also did not follow God's health laws as to which animals were okay to eat, and which ones would make a man sick. They also did not prepare the animals in the proper way as to avoid contamination by its blood sitting in the animal , would if eaten could kill some one. These are what Daniel followed to the letter , in order to avoid being sick.



They had not been bleed properly: read Leviticus 3:17, 7:26.

And they had been offered to idols read : Exodus 34:15 ; I Corinthians 10:20 . So he was not acting on vegetarian principles or temperance .

Daniel 1:9
Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.

God softens hearts And this allowed Daniel to continue to observe God's health laws here, God wanted it to be this way .

To compare this to today's standards, when you go to a cafe that uses a lot of old grease , and your not used to eating that, it does effect your health for days.
Even water from another area can cause sickness. The eunuch understood him because God can change minds, this allowed Daniel his own diet.

Daniel 1:10 -
The reason the eunuch wanted the four 4 young men to eat , was because their condition at the completion of three 3 years determined how the eunuch would be judged; rewarded or punished.

Daniel 1:12.
"Prove they servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink."

Again the pulse is uncontaminated food, like vegetables, and more specifically beans in pods. Also it avoided idol-contaminated meats as well.

Just to repeat one more time

Daniel 1:13. Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with they servants.

The test is a comparison between Daniel and those who ate the king's polluted meats. ( Leviticus 3:17, 7:26 ; Exodus 34:15 ; I Corinthians 10:20 )

Daniel 14-16


14. So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

15 And at the end of the ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.

16 Thus Melzar took away the portion of their meat, and the wine that they should drink; and gave them pulse."

Since Daniel is also about the end times, its important to note there is a teaching in the weather you accept or refuse the king of Babylons meant, and partake of Gods meat ( in a spiritual sense ) There is a proving with 10 days, and in Christians would be given over to Satan Anti Christ in the end times, is going to be ten 10 days. (Read Revelation 2:9-10.)

If the verses of Daniel are examples of what will occur in the end times; then we would relate this test to a test which will be upon us soon. What is the famine of the end times?

The famine is for the void of the teaching and hearing of the Word of God. ( Amos 8:11 king james version )

There will be no " meat " of the Word, only milk in the end times ( for those who get sucked into the deception ).

How can you stand in battle when the only thing you're fed is milk? You can't! For the battle in the end times is a spiritual battle, fought with words. Satan the Anti Christ, is a expert with words ,however, we have the power to withstand him. Your only defense is in the preparation of your mind; through the Word of God. Read Hebrews 5:13-14.

Being unskilled in God's words allows deceptions to creep into peoples minds, like rapture for example as Hebrews 5:13-14. & Ezekiel 13: 19-20 kjv documents.

 

[BELIEVE]

dear brothers and sisters...

1 timothy 4:3-5
[SUP]3. [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4. [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5. [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

i believe god's own holy word says it best...