Harvesting of the Earth

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Think about Israel today as a combination of "those who fear the Lord" and "those who are arrogant" per Malachi 4.
Israel is a secular nation no different from any other. They are not in covenant relationship with God. Hence, not the people of God.
 
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Israel is a secular nation no different from any other. They are not in covenant relationship with God. Hence, not the people of God.
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Genesis17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.” – Ezekiel 37:26

“For their sake he remembered his covenant and out of his great love he relented.” – Psalm 106:45

“I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.” – Romans 11:1
 

Genesis 17​

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Galatians 3​

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Psalm 12​

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
 
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Genesis17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.” – Ezekiel 37:26

“For their sake he remembered his covenant and out of his great love he relented.” – Psalm 106:45

“I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.” – Romans 11:1
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.

There is no other way for Israel to be saved than through trusting in Jesus.
 
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Israel is a secular nation no different from any other. They are not in covenant relationship with God. Hence, not the people of God.
Okay, I am willing to accept that if true. On what basis do you believe that Israel no longer has a covenant relationship with God?

Here is how I see it. Israel was taken into exile during the Jewish/Roman wars of the first century. The prophets, including Jesus, predicted this would happen, and it did. The prophets also predicted that the people would return to the Land. And they have. This seems like a very significant development worthy of our attention as Bible students.

In the book of Deuteronomy, God promised that he would circumcise the hearts of those who returned. I think he will do that. I don't know when. But I believe God will keep his promise.
 
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Where does the scripture say seven years or is that inferred from the missing week in Daniel?
Dan 9:27 RSV

. 27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

AMP
And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.”

CJB
He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

NIV
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
 
What happens in the middle of the 7

3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
 
Okay, I am willing to accept that if true. On what basis do you believe that Israel no longer has a covenant relationship with God?

Here is how I see it. Israel was taken into exile during the Jewish/Roman wars of the first century. The prophets, including Jesus, predicted this would happen, and it did. The prophets also predicted that the people would return to the Land. And they have. This seems like a very significant development worthy of our attention as Bible students.

In the book of Deuteronomy, God promised that he would circumcise the hearts of those who returned. I think he will do that. I don't know when. But I believe God will keep his promise.
I do believe there is a time when God will save vast numbers of Jewish people. But they will come to God, not as a nation, but individually under the new covenant. There is no longer a distinction between Jew and Greek and there is no longer a covenant that covers a particular nation.
 
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Genesis17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.” – Ezekiel 37:26

“For their sake he remembered his covenant and out of his great love he relented.” – Psalm 106:45

“I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.” – Romans 11:1
You just described the new covenant, not the old covenant.
 
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I do believe there is a time when God will save vast numbers of Jewish people. But they will come to God, not as a nation, but individually under the new covenant. There is no longer a distinction between Jew and Greek and there is no longer a covenant that covers a particular nation.
In God's prophetic word, there remains a distinction between Israel, as a nation, and all the other nations. I agree that God will save many Jewish people. And they will come to him individually.

However, when we discuss "salvation," we must bear in mind that the Bible presents two distinct concepts: salvation of the soul and salvation of the body. Jesus does both.

Let me explain,

In the Greco‑Roman world, a sōtēr was a deliverer‑king—a ruler, general, or benefactor who rescued a people from danger, restored stability, or secured victory over enemies. Cities hailed victorious commanders as sōtēres because they brought national rescue, not merely personal benefit. The term carried political weight: a sōtēr was the one who preserved the nation, defended its borders, crushed its oppressors, and re‑established peace. This is why Hellenistic kings like Ptolemy I and Demetrius I bore the title, and why gods such as Zeus Soter were invoked for protection. In short, the cultural imagination of the first‑century world heard sōtēr as the arrival of a national deliverer, someone who saves the people—not just individuals—from the forces that threaten their existence.

This background helps us understand the New Testament’s use of Savior language, especially in Luke’s opening chapters, where Israel’s ancient hope for national deliverance rises to the surface. Zechariah blesses God for raising up “a horn of salvation” to deliver Israel from her enemies and from all who hate her—a direct echo of the sōtēr expectation. Mary sings of a Messiah who lifts Israel, topples oppressors, and rescues the nation. Simeon sees in the infant Jesus God’s salvation prepared “before all peoples,” the glory of Israel restored. These early scenes show that faithful Jews were not merely waiting for forgiveness of sins; they were waiting for the Davidic deliverer who would save the nation itself. The New Testament takes the familiar Greco‑Roman category of a national savior and fills it with Israel’s prophetic hope: Jesus is the true sōtēr who brings both spiritual redemption and the long‑promised deliverance of Israel.
 
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In God's prophetic word, there remains a distinction between Israel, as a nation, and all the other nations. I agree that God will save many Jewish people. And they will come to him individually.

However, when we discuss "salvation," we must bear in mind that the Bible presents two distinct concepts: salvation of the soul and salvation of the body. Jesus does both.

Let me explain,

In the Greco‑Roman world, a sōtēr was a deliverer‑king—a ruler, general, or benefactor who rescued a people from danger, restored stability, or secured victory over enemies. Cities hailed victorious commanders as sōtēres because they brought national rescue, not merely personal benefit. The term carried political weight: a sōtēr was the one who preserved the nation, defended its borders, crushed its oppressors, and re‑established peace. This is why Hellenistic kings like Ptolemy I and Demetrius I bore the title, and why gods such as Zeus Soter were invoked for protection. In short, the cultural imagination of the first‑century world heard sōtēr as the arrival of a national deliverer, someone who saves the people—not just individuals—from the forces that threaten their existence.

This background helps us understand the New Testament’s use of Savior language, especially in Luke’s opening chapters, where Israel’s ancient hope for national deliverance rises to the surface. Zechariah blesses God for raising up “a horn of salvation” to deliver Israel from her enemies and from all who hate her—a direct echo of the sōtēr expectation. Mary sings of a Messiah who lifts Israel, topples oppressors, and rescues the nation. Simeon sees in the infant Jesus God’s salvation prepared “before all peoples,” the glory of Israel restored. These early scenes show that faithful Jews were not merely waiting for forgiveness of sins; they were waiting for the Davidic deliverer who would save the nation itself. The New Testament takes the familiar Greco‑Roman category of a national savior and fills it with Israel’s prophetic hope: Jesus is the true sōtēr who brings both spiritual redemption and the long‑promised deliverance of Israel.
I appreciate you sharing, but we are getting into the weeds. My point is simple: God is not in covenant relationship with the nation Israel currently. Therefore, the current state of Israel is not God's people.
 
I appreciate you sharing, but we are getting into the weeds. My point is simple: God is not in covenant relationship with the nation Israel currently. Therefore, the current state of Israel is not God's people.
Many would certainly agree with you. And I am not here to disagree with you. I can't tell from afar whether Israel is in a covenant relationship with God and neither can I know what is in anyone's heart. :)

As a side note, am often curious about which prophetic passages remain to be fulfilled. For instance, I wondered if October 7 was a fulfillment of Zechariah 14. But I don't know. Knowing when a prophecy was fulfilled is a tricky thing.
 
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Many would certainly agree with you. And I am not here to disagree with you. I can't tell from afar whether Israel is in a covenant relationship with God and neither can I know what is in anyone's heart. :)

As a side note, am often curious about which prophetic passages remain to be fulfilled. For instance, I wondered if October 7 was a fulfillment of Zechariah 14. But I don't know. Knowing when a prophecy was fulfilled is a tricky thing.
It's not hard to tell whether the nation Israel is under a covenantal relationship with God or not. Simply identify the covenant.
 
What happens in the middle of the 7

3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Yes. In Daniel 9:24, the text explicitly states that the 70 weeks (or 70 sevens of years, totaling 490 years) are decreed specifically for Daniel’s people (the Jewish nation/Israel) and his holy city (Jerusalem). [1, 2, 3]

Direct Focus on Israel and Jerusalem
    • The Target Audience: The angel Gabriel tells Daniel the timeline is set for "your people" and "your holy city", which directly responds to Daniel’s prayer concerning the plight of Jerusalem and the Jewish exiles. [1, 2]
    • The Purpose: The stated goals—such as atoning for iniquity, finishing transgression, and anointing the most holy place—are framed within the historic and covenantal scope of God's dealings with the nation of Israel. [1, 2, 3]

Broader Theological Implications
While the direct literal scope and subject of the decree target Israel and Jerusalem, most Christian theological frameworks view the outcomes of this timeframe as having universal impact: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • The Messiah: The prophecy introduces the cutting off of the Messiah, which Christian interpretation connects to the atonement for sins available to the whole world. [1, 2, 3, 4]
    • Everlasting Righteousness: The ultimate goals of the 70 weeks include bringing in everlasting righteousness, which extends past ethnic Israel into a global spiritual reality. [1, 2, 3]
However, strictly in terms of the grammatical and contextual address in verse 24, the direct subject and focal point remain Israel and Jerusalem. (AI)
 
Dan 9:27 RSV

. 27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

AMP
And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.”

CJB
He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

NIV
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
What is the covenant that only lasts for one week?