Harvesting of the Earth

[Musicmaster]

So, in other words, you have no idea how to answer my questions?

Please rephrase your questions that are actually YOUR questions rather than stuff from AI.

MM

 

[Revelation1v8]

Please rephrase your questions that are actually YOUR questions rather than stuff from AI.

MM

They were all my questions. The only A.I. reference I used were the ones defining the Wife and Bride. In the meanwhile, I've done more research on the wife and the bride and this is what the Bible shows. My only question left for you at this point is how you view the current heaven & earth and the new heaven and earth and where the Millennial Kingdom will take place.

The Two Wives Made One — A Deeper Reading​

The Bible sets up two distinct covenantal marriages from the very beginning:

The Father's Bride — Israel

• Hosea 2:19 — "I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy."
• Isaiah 54:5 — "For your Maker is your husband— the LORD of hosts is his name, and the Holy One of Israel is he who is to be praised."
• Jeremiah 31:32 — "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
• Ezekiel 16:8 — "So I passed by you and looked upon you, behold, you were at the age for love. I spread the corner of my robe over you and covered your nakedness... and I betrothed you to myself and made a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine."

The Son's Bride — the Church

• Ephesians 5:25-27 — "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her... that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish."
• 2 Corinthians 11:2 — "For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ."

Note the critical word in 2 Cor 11:2: "one husband." The Church is betrothed to a single bridegroom — the Son — not the Father. The Father's bride is Israel; the Son's bride is the Church. Two separate covenants, two separate marriages.

Isaiah 54:1-3 is the single most important passage for your point, and it's worth reading in full:

"Sing, O barren woman, you who never bore a child; burst into song and cry aloud, you who have never been in labor; for more are the children of the desolate woman than of the she who has a husband, says the LORD. For your Maker is your husband— the LORD of hosts is his name, and the Holy One of Israel is he who is to be praised; he who repudiates will be called the Redeemer of Israel, the LORD is his name. For the LORD has called you as a wife despised and cast out, as a wife of youth when she is rejected, says your God. For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you. In overflowing wrath for a moment I hid my face from you, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you, says the LORD your God. For this is like the waters of Noah to me; for as I have sworn that Noah's waters shall no longer cover the earth, so have I sworn that I will not be angry with you, or reproach you. For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my kindness shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD who has compassion on you."
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Read this carefully:

• The "desolate" / "barren" woman = Israel, temporarily set aside.
• The "married" woman = the Church, currently in her covenant-marriage with Christ.
• The prophecy says the barren woman will have more children than the married one — both will be fruitful.
• Then verse 5: "For your Maker is your husband" — the same God who is the Father's husband to Israel is speaking. He is not replacing one marriage with another. He is restoring the first and confirming the second.
• Verses 7-8: "with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you... my covenant of peace shall not be removed."

 

[Musicmaster]

They were all my questions. The only A.I. reference I used were the ones defining the Wife and Bride. In the meanwhile, I've done more research on the wife and the bride and this is what the Bible shows. My only question left for you at this point is how you view the current heaven & earth and the new heaven and earth and where the Millennial Kingdom will take place.

The Millennial Kingdom will be on this old earth after it's restored to a more pristine condition from all the pollution and corruptions through these centuries.

The New Earth will be created after the Millennium, upon which the bride will descend...not that Christ will marry an inanimate object like a city. It's the inhabitants of that city who will be the bride, which is Israel, given that it's the names of the twelve tribes that will be upon the gates and the names of the twelve Jewish apostles (which doesn't include Paul) upon the foundation stones. So, it's Israel who will inhabit that city and its dwelling places while the Gentile nations will reside all around that city and across the new earth.

The Two Wives Made One — A Deeper Reading​

The Bible sets up two distinct covenantal marriages from the very beginning:

The Father's Bride — Israel

• Hosea 2:19 — "I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy."
• Isaiah 54:5 — "For your Maker is your husband— the LORD of hosts is his name, and the Holy One of Israel is he who is to be praised."
• Jeremiah 31:32 — "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
• Ezekiel 16:8 — "So I passed by you and looked upon you, behold, you were at the age for love. I spread the corner of my robe over you and covered your nakedness... and I betrothed you to myself and made a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine."

The Son's Bride — the Church

• Ephesians 5:25-27 — "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her... that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish."
• 2 Corinthians 11:2 — "For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ."

Note the critical word in 2 Cor 11:2: "one husband." The Church is betrothed to a single bridegroom — the Son — not the Father. The Father's bride is Israel; the Son's bride is the Church. Two separate covenants, two separate marriages.

Isaiah 54:1-3 is the single most important passage for your point, and it's worth reading in full:



Read this carefully:

• The "desolate" / "barren" woman = Israel, temporarily set aside.
• The "married" woman = the Church, currently in her covenant-marriage with Christ.
• The prophecy says the barren woman will have more children than the married one — both will be fruitful.
• Then verse 5: "For your Maker is your husband" — the same God who is the Father's husband to Israel is speaking. He is not replacing one marriage with another. He is restoring the first and confirming the second.
• Verses 7-8: "with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you... my covenant of peace shall not be removed."

No. This is not true. The body of Christ will dwell in the Heavenlies, as is stated in the scriptures:

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Many will dwell in the Heavenlies while many will dwell upon the new earth, with believing and faithful ancient Israel and the remnant that lived through the tribulation and the Millennium will populate the New Jerusalem.

MM

 

[Revelation1v8]

The Millennial Kingdom will be on this old earth after it's restored to a more pristine condition from all the pollution and corruptions through these centuries.

The New Earth will be created after the Millennium, upon which the bride will descend...not that Christ will marry an inanimate object like a city. It's the inhabitants of that city who will be the bride, which is Israel, given that it's the names of the twelve tribes that will be upon the gates and the names of the twelve Jewish apostles (which doesn't include Paul) upon the foundation stones. So, it's Israel who will inhabit that city and its dwelling places while the Gentile nations will reside all around that city and across the new earth.



No. This is not true. The body of Christ will dwell in the Heavenlies, as is stated in the scriptures:

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Many will dwell in the Heavenlies while many will dwell upon the new earth, with believing and faithful ancient Israel and the remnant that lived through the tribulation and the Millennium will populate the New Jerusalem.

MM

So, you see the new heaven and new earth as being separate from each for eternity. That was really what I was wondering.

Yes, Israelites are the Father's Bride. It's funny that you made mention that he's not marrying a "city". While he's not marrying the city, it is important enough to Him to write it on His people. The name of the City has meaning.

Revelation 3:12 -

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 

[ScooterJackson]

Please rephrase your questions that are actually YOUR questions rather than stuff from AI.

AI turns it's users in to mush brain so they can only rely and depend upon AI

So these people can no longer think for themselves to be able to ask coherent questions

 

[Revelation1v8]

AI turns it's users in to mush brain so they can only rely and depend upon AI

So these people can no longer think for themselves to be able to ask coherent questions

Scooter, you should use it to educate yourself once in awhile.

 

[Churchgoer]

You're not properly representing scripture concerning His marriage to us of Israel. Please go back and read what He said that He will do in the future from His divorcement.

The clearest passage is Jeremiah 3:


Here, God compares Israel’s idolatry and covenant unfaithfulness to marital adultery and says that He had “put her away” and given her a “certificate of divorce.”

Yet God immediately calls her to return:



God then promises to restore and gather Israel:


A parallel passage is Hosea 2, where Israel is portrayed as an unfaithful wife, but God promises to restore the relationship:




So the biblical sequence is:

1. Israel commits spiritual adultery through idolatry — Jeremiah 3:6–7.
2. God gives Israel a figurative certificate of divorce — Jeremiah 3:8.
3. God still calls Israel to return — Jeremiah 3:12, 22.
4. God promises to receive and restore her — Jeremiah 3:14; Hosea 2:19–20.

Isaiah 54:5–8 also uses the same imagery, calling the Lord Israel’s Husband and promising that He will gather her again with everlasting mercy.

MM

1. Israel commits spiritual adultery through idolatry — Jeremiah 3:6–7. True
2. God gives Israel a figurative certificate of divorce — Jeremiah 3:8. True
3. God still calls Israel to return — Jeremiah 3:12, 22. Only given them a new heart, born again my friend!!! A husband can not marry back the divorced adulterous. Note, divorced. Jeremiah 3:13 noticed? Only if.....verse 15, noticed? 16, noticed, .... all repented and born again.
4. God promises to receive and restore her — Jeremiah 3:14; Hosea 2:19–20. New her, my friend, new heart, born again!!!!

 

[ScooterJackson]

Scooter, you should use it to educate yourself once in awhile.

No, the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ) leads me away from false doctrine and places where false doctrine is disseminated such as AI because the Lord loves me and does not want me to become deceived.

By all means though for you, if you enjoy deception that go all in on AI and you'll get all the deception you long for.

 

[Churchgoer]

1. Israel commits spiritual adultery through idolatry — Jeremiah 3:6–7. True
2. God gives Israel a figurative certificate of divorce — Jeremiah 3:8. True
3. God still calls Israel to return — Jeremiah 3:12, 22. Only given them a new heart, born again my friend!!! A husband can not marry back the divorced adulterous. Note, divorced. Jeremiah 3:13 noticed? Only if.....verse 15, noticed? 16, noticed, .... all repented and born again.
4. God promises to receive and restore her — Jeremiah 3:14; Hosea 2:19–20. New her, my friend, new heart, born again!!!!

However, in Hosea, he didn't officially divorce gomer, that shows God giving them opportunity to repent over and over.

In real life, a spouse should give the other one some grace period too. Until if the adulterous officially marries someone else, then it is a done deal biblical divorce. The innocent one is set free, and not to marry her back again, even if her 2nd husband dies or leaves her.
Please check Deut 24.
Luke 16. And many related topics.

 

[Musicmaster]

So, you see the new heaven and new earth as being separate from each for eternity. That was really what I was wondering.

Yes, Israelites are the Father's Bride. It's funny that you made mention that he's not marrying a "city". While he's not marrying the city, it is important enough to Him to write it on His people. The name of the City has meaning.

Revelation 3:12 -

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Interesting indeed. That church in Philadelphia was a Jewish congregation under the ministry of the twelve, not Paul under the Gospel of Grace. So many Gentiles have always interpreted those seven churches as being Gentile churches, which is false. John was not the chosen minister to the Gentiles under Paul's ministry. The twelve ministered only to Israel, as is indicated to us in Acts as practiced by those who were under the ministry of the twelve:

Acts 11:19
Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

1. Israel commits spiritual adultery through idolatry — Jeremiah 3:6–7. True
2. God gives Israel a figurative certificate of divorce — Jeremiah 3:8. True
3. God still calls Israel to return — Jeremiah 3:12, 22. Only given them a new heart, born again my friend!!! A husband can not marry back the divorced adulterous. Note, divorced. Jeremiah 3:13 noticed? Only if.....verse 15, noticed? 16, noticed, .... all repented and born again.
4. God promises to receive and restore her — Jeremiah 3:14; Hosea 2:19–20. New her, my friend, new heart, born again!!!!

The problem with your rationale is that Israel was and will once again be His chosen nation of priests, not Gentiles. The allegorical comparison made in scripture to marriage and divorce on this earth is just that...allegory. Do you see anywhere in those passages a piece of paper falling from Heaven with "DIVORCE DECREE" written and signed by God? No. When gave to us a writ of divorcement, that's symbolic and is nowhere stated as being bound by all the limitations of mortal marriages on this earth under the constraints of Law. Israel is a woman only in allegory.

However, I realize you may have continuing issues with this because of your likely not knowing much of anything about our understanding from our history and knowledge of our idioms and lingual constructs and content from those times. What matters most is that you believe in the gospel as it's written.

MM

 

[Churchgoer]

The problem with your rationale is that Israel was and will once again be His chosen nation of priests, not Gentiles. The allegorical comparison made in scripture to marriage and divorce on this earth is just that...allegory. Do you see anywhere in those passages a piece of paper falling from Heaven with "DIVORCE DECREE" written and signed by God? No. When gave to us a writ of divorcement, that's symbolic and is nowhere stated as being bound by all the limitations of mortal marriages on this earth under the constraints of Law. Israel is a woman only in allegory.

However, I realize you may have continuing issues with this because of your likely not knowing much of anything about our understanding from our history and knowledge of our idioms and lingual constructs and content from those times. What matters most is that you believe in the gospel as it's written.

MM

1 Peter 2 :9

When God speak, everything come into being. God's words are powerful my friend. But don't worry about the divorce, just be born again in Jesus!

Interesting, believe in the gospel as it is written

I would add with Holy spirit dwell in me and guide me.

How would you understand the gospel?

 

[Revelation1v8]

No, the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ) leads me away from false doctrine and places where false doctrine is disseminated such as AI because the Lord loves me and does not want me to become deceived.

By all means though for you, if you enjoy deception that go all in on AI and you'll get all the deception you long for.

It's more like Satan doesn't want you to learn any truths that you don't already know.